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 gr1m_dan wrote:

 Therion wrote:
Looks pretty clear from the pictures that a marker light hit (counter) can be used (expended / removed after use) by a Tau unit which is shooting at the said target to grant itself special abilities for example +1 BS, and doesn't give a flat +1 BS to every Tau unit firing at the lit target unit. A single Tau unit ignoring the cover saves of one enemy target unit seems to cost 2 marker light counters. Marker lights seem quite rubbishy.

Really?

I honestly disagree with you massively - 2 ML negate ALL cover. Not take it down by 1 Cover per hit. 2 MLS take away that 4+ ADL save completely or 3+ Fortification save. Gone to ground behind ADL??? I don't care - I only need to spend 2 ML instead of 5 (as per old Codex if I remember). This is immense IMO.

Sure. Then one of your Tau units ignores the target's cover saves entirely for one shooting phase. Unless marker lights are dirt cheap / near free I wouldn't really call that a force multiplier / a good synergy element at all. It's all in the points costs of course whether marker lights are a point sink or something really necessary.

 Therion wrote:

 gr1m_dan wrote:

 Therion wrote:
Looks pretty clear from the pictures that a marker light hit (counter) can be used (expended / removed after use) by a Tau unit which is shooting at the said target to grant itself special abilities for example +1 BS, and doesn't give a flat +1 BS to every Tau unit firing at the lit target unit. A single Tau unit ignoring the cover saves of one enemy target unit seems to cost 2 marker light counters. Marker lights seem quite rubbishy.

Really?

I honestly disagree with you massively - 2 ML negate ALL cover. Not take it down by 1 Cover per hit. 2 MLS take away that 4+ ADL save completely or 3+ Fortification save. Gone to ground behind ADL??? I don't care - I only need to spend 2 ML instead of 5 (as per old Codex if I remember). This is immense IMO.

Sure. Then one of your Tau units ignores the target's cover saves entirely for one shooting phase. Unless marker lights are dirt cheap / near free I wouldn't really call that a force multiplier / a good synergy element at all. It's all in the points costs of course whether marker lights are a point sink or something really necessary.

When a 100pt unit doubles the firepower of a 200pt unit I would say that is a force multiplier.

Pathfinders are 11p each, and have Scouts, 3 can switch pulse carbine for ion rifle (10) or rail rifle (15)

Whats the infantry armoury like? can shas'ui still select a blacksun filter?

The IG I play against love their ADL lines and going to ground behind them for a god damn 2+ save then issuing "Get Back in The Fight" afterwards. VERY ANNOYING.

Not any more :-D

mothman_451 wrote:
Pathfinders are 11p each, and have Scouts, 3 can switch pulse carbine for ion rifle (10) or rail rifle (15)

I have nothing to say other than: Oh my, this is fantastic! a price reduction!
(some are going to voice opinions that the -1 armor means they should have been reduced even less... I disagree.)


Edit for brief question:

Markerlights are still heavy 1, arn't they?
If they are, my idea of outflanking and markerlighting unsuspecting enemies enemies in the same turn is gone... oh well.

@Kroothawk:

Sorry for repeatedly bringing up this issue, but any word on whether the Ethereal's "Stay Calm" rule affects all Kroots? The Spanish translation wasn't really clear. Confirmation from an english codex would be nice.

 tetrisphreak wrote:
Also seems like Kroot are able to utilize markers as well. I wonder if ethereal buffs effect them too

SWEET!!! Markerlights increasing Kroot's ballistic skill??? Mass Kroots is the way to go.

 Materia_Master wrote:

mothman_451 wrote:
Pathfinders are 11p each, and have Scouts, 3 can switch pulse carbine for ion rifle (10) or rail rifle (15)

I have nothing to say other than: Oh my, this is fantastic! a price reduction!
(some are going to voice opinions that the -1 armor means they should have been reduced even less... I disagree.)


Edit for brief question:

Markerlights are still heavy 1, arn't they?
If they are, my idea of outflanking and markerlighting unsuspecting enemies enemies in the same turn is gone... oh well.

They can also buff Snap Shots and Defensive Fire?!?!? Holy cow bells.

unfortunately not since the set modifier is still applied last, so even if you use 4 tokens, you still get set back to BS1 for a snap shot :/ bad times

I cant seem to see the "markerlights cannot affect other markerlights" rule anymore.... hmmm

also whats the full wording for the disruption pod?

Bobug wrote:
unfortunately not since the set modifier is still applied last, so even if you use 4 tokens, you still get set back to BS1 for a snap shot :/ bad times

I cant seem to see the "markerlights cannot affect other markerlights" rule anymore.... hmmm

How come it's stated in the rules? Maybe we get a special break? ;-)

Maybe we don't...Anyone got conclusive evidence?

Bobug wrote:
I have a feeling the advanced targeting system will be the vehicle multi tracker, just a new name to avoid confusion
it gives the vehicle the precision shot special rule.

That well and truly sucks. I don't understand why they felt the need to remove vehicle multitrackers.

Dpods are +1 cover save, 6+ when in open


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Oh and pathfinder special drones: recon is 28, pulse and gravity are 15

dammit i meant decoy launchers lol

Piranha is 40, fusion upgrade 10

dammit.. I want too many fast attack choices!!

Decoy launcher is blurry in the scan, but appears to be 4+ invul, but cancelled by some forms of attack (maybe hth or grenades)

mothman_451 wrote:
Piranha is 40, fusion upgrade 10

Finally, Affordable piranhas. Can I still take them in squadrons?

mothman_451 wrote:
Decoy launcher is blurry in the scan, but appears to be 4+ invul, but cancelled by some forms of attack (maybe hth or grenades)

yeah saw that, I thought you must have the codex lol

if its just h2h or grenades then that'll free up 15pts that would otherwise be spend on disruption pods!

Yeah i think up to 4 additional

 SabrX wrote:
@Kroothawk:

Sorry for repeatedly bringing up this issue, but any word on whether the Ethereal's "Stay Calm" rule affects all Kroots? The Spanish translation wasn't really clear. Confirmation from an english codex would be nice.

 tetrisphreak wrote:
Also seems like Kroot are able to utilize markers as well. I wonder if ethereal buffs effect them too

SWEET!!! Markerlights increasing Kroot's ballistic skill??? Mass Kroots is the way to go.

All ethereal effects are valid for all friendly (for invocations add non-vehicle) units from this Codex within 12", so include Kroot.
Markerlight effects can be used by all units from this Codex, just not the unit that shot the markerlight.

Nope but that spanish site keeps getting updated with more info lol

mothman_451 wrote:
Decoy launcher is blurry in the scan, but appears to be 4+ invul, but cancelled by some forms of attack (maybe hth or grenades)

Maybe you right!! Then it would be soooooo awesome!

mothman_451 wrote:
Yeah i think up to 4 additional

But targetting arrays are gone now aren't they.

From the little bit I have seen from leaks it looks like the tau have picked up some interesting new toys, but are far more dependant upon markerlights for accurate shooting.

My favorite unit was the shas'O w/ bodyguards with targeting arrays.

 Kroothawk wrote:

 SabrX wrote:
@Kroothawk:

Sorry for repeatedly bringing up this issue, but any word on whether the Ethereal's "Stay Calm" rule affects all Kroots? The Spanish translation wasn't really clear. Confirmation from an english codex would be nice.

 tetrisphreak wrote:
Also seems like Kroot are able to utilize markers as well. I wonder if ethereal buffs effect them too

SWEET!!! Markerlights increasing Kroot's ballistic skill??? Mass Kroots is the way to go.

All ethereal effects are valid for all friendly (for invocations add non-vehicle) units from this Codex within 12", so include Kroot.
Markerlight effects can be used by all units from this Codex, just not the unit that shot the markerlight.

Wow. My 56 Kroot are now going to be sniping, shooty bad-arses. :-)

Double post, darn.

can anyone link this Spanish site?

http://forofreakfactory.mforos.com/1035375/11167664-rumores-tau/

Fixed it, right link ahaha.

The price of the weapons is interesting.

Plasma got a whole ton cheaper - Twin Linked for 20 points?

Flamers, BC and Missiles got more expensive.

Still cheaper than before however when you include BSF and MT.

If "Advanced Targeting System" for Vehicles is a multi-tracker then what is it for our Battlesuits??? Seeing as we can buy it.....for 3pts?

Thats a daemon rules leak :p


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 Kroothawk wrote:

 SabrX wrote:
@Kroothawk:

Sorry for repeatedly bringing up this issue, but any word on whether the Ethereal's "Stay Calm" rule affects all Kroots? The Spanish translation wasn't really clear. Confirmation from an english codex would be nice.

 tetrisphreak wrote:
Also seems like Kroot are able to utilize markers as well. I wonder if ethereal buffs effect them too

SWEET!!! Markerlights increasing Kroot's ballistic skill??? Mass Kroots is the way to go.

All ethereal effects are valid for all friendly (for invocations add non-vehicle) units from this Codex within 12", so include Kroot.
Markerlight effects can be used by all units from this Codex, just not the unit that shot the markerlight.

That last sentance you said....

So squads can utilize their markerlights shot by someone in their own squad? So all markerlights are now "networked"?

I ask because that's really the reason I never gave my shas'ui FW leaders markerlights, their own squad could never benefit from it. So can their own squads benefit from it now?

So you want broadsides to be the total bane of anything that flies?

You take two missile-sides with missile drones and the skyfire upgrade. Now give the leader the special character upgrade of Jun'nami (neural chip) and choose tank hunter.

Muhahahaha. Ok, so your not twin linked, but those that do hit get to reroll all failed penetration rolls. Your going to strip HPs left and right against most anything. You can even do this with railgun sides as long as you also take the missile drones it still works out pretty damn well.

This of course also works well against any ground light armor. Leaving you to take two railheads to concentrate on any AV14 all around that might show up. Which if you take the tank commander on one of them, its now a pretty good chance of getting those shots where they need to go.