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 YotsubaSnake wrote:

 synchronicity wrote:
I can't find any mention of "networked" markerlights, even on marker drones. There seems to be only one "markerlight" profile.

Are the days of units benefitting from their own markerlights gone?

The skyray has Networked Markerlights, but nothing else seems to. Which more or less makes sense, the skyray kinda needs them to fire their seeker missiles at something the same turn without having to rely on another unit (if you took out all other markerlights, the skyray would not be able to fire their seekers if not for networking)

Interesting. So when firing overwatch, can a Skyray benefit from its own Networked Markerlights? Can overwatching units benefit from other units' overwatched Markerlights?

 synchronicity wrote:

 YotsubaSnake wrote:

 synchronicity wrote:
I can't find any mention of "networked" markerlights, even on marker drones. There seems to be only one "markerlight" profile.

Are the days of units benefitting from their own markerlights gone?

The skyray has Networked Markerlights, but nothing else seems to. Which more or less makes sense, the skyray kinda needs them to fire their seeker missiles at something the same turn without having to rely on another unit (if you took out all other markerlights, the skyray would not be able to fire their seekers if not for networking)

Interesting. So when firing overwatch, can a Skyray benefit from its own Networked Markerlights? Can overwatching units benefit from other units' overwatched Markerlights?

As far as I can tell. The answer to that is yes. Markerlight tokens last until the end of the phase, which would be the opponent's assault phase. So a unit of pathfinders, within 6" of a squad that is assaulted, could markerlight the unit for others to benefit. Or, as you mentioned a Skyray could can use their own to fire two missiles during overwatch.

One thing I found interesting, is that I Sniper Drones do not have a networked markerlight in their unit anymore. So the spotter cannot give the drones a better BS.

Onager gauntlet? Am I the only one that find that a little rude?

Or is it... not a reference to "donkey punching"?

 MajinMalak wrote:

 synchronicity wrote:

 YotsubaSnake wrote:

 synchronicity wrote:
I can't find any mention of "networked" markerlights, even on marker drones. There seems to be only one "markerlight" profile.

Are the days of units benefitting from their own markerlights gone?

The skyray has Networked Markerlights, but nothing else seems to. Which more or less makes sense, the skyray kinda needs them to fire their seeker missiles at something the same turn without having to rely on another unit (if you took out all other markerlights, the skyray would not be able to fire their seekers if not for networking)

Interesting. So when firing overwatch, can a Skyray benefit from its own Networked Markerlights? Can overwatching units benefit from other units' overwatched Markerlights?

As far as I can tell. The answer to that is yes. Markerlight tokens last until the end of the phase, which would be the opponent's assault phase. So a unit of pathfinders, within 6" of a squad that is assaulted, could markerlight the unit for others to benefit. Or, as you mentioned a Skyray could can use their own to fire two missiles during overwatch.

One thing I found interesting, is that I Sniper Drones do not have a networked markerlight in their unit anymore. So the spotter cannot give the drones a better BS.

Very interesting...

All drones now fire at the BS of the drone controller. So they will be firing at BS 5 anyway.

Zachectomy wrote:
Onager gauntlet? Am I the only one that find that a little rude?

Yep

"The onager was a Roman siege engine that is a type of catapult that uses a torsional force, generally from twisted rope, to store energy for the shot."

Zachectomy wrote:
Onager gauntlet? Am I the only one that find that a little rude?

Or is it... not a reference to "donkey punching"?

I've always associated onagers to seige equipment, so I went to look it up on wikipedia. I never new it was a type of equine.

Thats freaking hilarious.

I can't wait to donkey punch my first land raider.

@pretre, the "onager" catapult was so named because 'onager' in Latin is Donkey in english - it had such recoil that it "kicked like a donkey".

So, yes, I think we now have canon that donkey punching is part of Tau warfare doctrine. Because it's pretty good at demoralizing your foes, right? Always hits *rear armor* if you know what I mean.

Didnt i read that our darkstrided stripped an armor point as well as a toughness.....helpful for anti AV14 maybe?

uberjoras wrote:
@pretre, the "onager" catapult was so named because 'onager' in Latin is Donkey in english - it had such recoil that it "kicked like a donkey".

So, yes, I think we now have canon that donkey punching is part of Tau warfare doctrine. Because it's pretty good at demoralizing your foes, right? Always hits *rear armor* if you know what I mean.

I lol'ed. im literally changing my list to include one of these (cheap!)

cant wait to start donkey punching me some tanks

uberjoras wrote:
@pretre, the "onager" catapult was so named because 'onager' in Latin is Donkey in english - it had such recoil that it "kicked like a donkey".

I'm aware. That is still reaching though. Which is more likely? That they were referring to a weapon when naming a weapon or referring to a sexual act?

 tetrisphreak wrote:
I can't wait to donkey punch my first land raider.

Seriously...you may not be able to get away with it all the time but hell the first or second game you play with this codex, they arent going to expect you to go after any of their tanks in close combat....bring in a suit that can do the S10 falcon punch...the look on your mates faces will be priceless...with the right upgrades you can really smack the crap out of that tank.

the courier called me earlier my codex and goodies are arriving within 18 hours

Wow... Guys... Faeit 212 posted my pics, but they should totally contact me first, because then I could give a source (spoilered to be sure) for the other pics too:


Hope they will see this .

Probably seeing what slips by the editors, honestly. Onagers are a catapult, I dunno if I would name a melee weapon after an artillery piece myself... It'd be like calling a chainsword a Howitzer.

I'm going to go with both, regardless of what the actual origin was. I'd like to think that somewhere there is a writer that still retains a little bit of the old school GW humor.

boy wonder wrote:

 Ovion wrote:

 boy wonder wrote:
can anyone tell me how many hardpoints each suit has? cheers

From what I've gathered, it' Commander = 4, Other Battlesuits = 3, Stealth/Broads = 1.


Has there been any word on if any Honour Guard is still there? Are we still able to take 84 Firewarriors? (or even 96 now!?)

cheers! how bout the riptide?

it looks like honour guard are out.. :(

Riptide appears to have it own specific options for its gun, and a twin-hardpoint I think, but I could be wrong!

n0t_u wrote:Anyone else think this way when they saw the full pic of the tank dude?

This sort of things been floating about a lot....
So tempted to scratchbuild some speakers and a turntable for one of my Hammerheads.

Does anyone have any idea/suggestions/know of a good way to get a lot of drones other than buying the suit boxes and whatnot?

 Stormcrow wrote:
Does anyone have any idea/suggestions/know of a good way to get a lot of drones other than buying the suit boxes and whatnot?

Look for used lots. Most old tau players have waaaay too many drones.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1060312

Also that kit has 4 gun drones for 10.75. Buy it and convert.

Great idea; thanks for the input

 Ovion wrote:

boy wonder wrote:

 Ovion wrote:

 boy wonder wrote:
can anyone tell me how many hardpoints each suit has? cheers

From what I've gathered, it' Commander = 4, Other Battlesuits = 3, Stealth/Broads = 1.


Has there been any word on if any Honour Guard is still there? Are we still able to take 84 Firewarriors? (or even 96 now!?)

cheers! how bout the riptide?

it looks like honour guard are out.. :(

Riptide appears to have it own specific options for its gun, and a twin-hardpoint I think, but I could be wrong!

n0t_u wrote:Anyone else think this way when they saw the full pic of the tank dude?

This sort of things been floating about a lot....
So tempted to scratchbuild some speakers and a turntable for one of my Hammerheads.

mate....do it....just do it...

Also, I would like to add that one should really think about "how hard it is to kill a riptide."

I run a destroyer lord (toughness 6) a lot with my Tau with a 2+ save and I sometimes detach him. Sure, he's hard to kill I suppose, but you WILL roll those ones at dumb times, and they will throw some sort of AP2/1 at it.

My point is that if you rely on 2 or more and expect them to be "Really hard to kill" and rely on that for the meat of your army, you may be disappointed at inopportune times when it counts, especially considering you can't hide it.

Also, just consider how many times you've fought against a Dreadknight and then think on what it took to kill it, and if it was really as hard as you thought. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't.

 Stormcrow wrote:
Does anyone have any idea/suggestions/know of a good way to get a lot of drones other than buying the suit boxes and whatnot?

Im not sure if I am allowed to mention or advocate Ebay listings but a quick search of the site led me to
some interesting listings, I will summarize

one that had 15 drones for 20 dollars
another that had 26 drones for 15 dollars

seems like if one wanted some second hand drones for conversion, its the place to go.

Hans_Einberg wrote:

mate....do it....just do it...

Oh snap have a wub down vs the darkangel darkshroud dj station.

So about the skyray, does anyone know about the "ongoing barrage" thing that was rumored? Or is it simply the missiles?

Also, for the markerlights, when it says to expend one and shoot a seeker, does that mean it's either "expend one for a bonus of your choice and shoot the missle" or "choose to either expend one and fire a missile or pick a bonus"?

Do the new markerlights fire before or after you shoot your weapon? I've seen conflicting viewpoints here (i.e. can a skyray shoot at something, markerlight it up, and then fire its missiles at it) but does anyone know for sure?

Finally, just to clarify, are ALL markerlights usable by the whole army now, or is it only like last codex where only "networked markerlights" can be used by the army.

Sorry for these questions but I've seen a lot of different viewpoints on each and I've had local people ask me and I frankly can't sift through all the chatter on here to confirm.

I'm really excited TBH, it was an interesting challenge to make the old dex work and this one looks just as fun.

 AtoMaki wrote:
Wow... Guys... Faeit 212 posted my pics, but they should totally contact me first, because then I could give a source (spoilered to be sure) for the other pics too:

Spoiler:

4chan, /tg/, topic with Darkstrider in the OP

Hope they will see this .

Don't know about Faeit, but it looks like GW did...as the pics just got taken down.

 Stormcrow wrote:
So about the skyray, does anyone know about the "ongoing barrage" thing that was rumored? Or is it simply the missiles?

Also, for the markerlights, when it says to expend one and shoot a seeker, does that mean it's either "expend one for a bonus of your choice and shoot the missle" or "choose to either expend one and fire a missile or pick a bonus"?

Do the new markerlights fire before or after you shoot your weapon? I've seen conflicting viewpoints here (i.e. can a skyray shoot at something, markerlight it up, and then fire its missiles at it) but does anyone know for sure?

Finally, just to clarify, are ALL markerlights usable by the whole army now, or is it only like last codex where only "networked markerlights" can be used by the army.

Sorry for these questions but I've seen a lot of different viewpoints on each and I've had local people ask me and I frankly can't sift through all the chatter on here to confirm.

Before, obviously. You have to mark the target before laying down the pain.

It appears that all can be used by the army. I have not yet seen anything that says other wise.

To use the seeker special rules you have to spend a markerlight token.

The Riptide does seem to have plenty of wounds on top of the T6 2+/5++. I think the best way to run it would be to use it as bait to draw it towards stealth suits, firewarriors, and/or pathfinders. Basically using it as a giant shield, even using the nova reactor to buff the shield just so it will soak up more fire or just get flat out ignored. If the enemy charges then they will have to deal with a literal wave of support fire.

And throw on Interceptor and Skyfire just so that it can't be ignored.

I can't wait to fight against new tau. These guys look fun

I realize it's way early but what are everyone's gut reaction to the new codex thus far?

Will it be competitive in the tournament scene? Just so-so?