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 Charles Rampant wrote:
Why would they give O&G another book so quickly? Unless they have some more models to shift, it seems a touch pointless to re-release the army book within the same edition.

Orcs and Goblins have been the first army book released in an edition for the past two editions, js.

I'm still very sceptical about this schedule though. Only two more books for this year seems unlikely, especially as we're not expecting any new editions this year, and I can't believe they'd wait that long for a new Bretonnian book. Though, it has happened before...

 Dysartes wrote:
Any idea why Avian is being more of a tit than normal these days?

Send him a PM, he is also member of Dakka. But AFAIK it started with a feud against steppingonyou and stickmonkey and his geas to prove that both make up rumours.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Why do the mods lock rumour threads at Warseer?

The Mods there, like to beat their chest in thinking that Warseer is the best of the best and they don't have feeble fake crap on their site. Just look at them with Pancake edition of 40K. They thumped their chest in saying "see we were right in locking the threads with fake rumours".

It's a power thing. Most Mods on Warseer are on a power trip.

Davor wrote:
Most Mods on Warseer are on a power trip.

Not nessicarily but the mods, or at least the manner in which they moderate, is one of the prime reasons why I no longer post on Warseer.

I can only hope that 9th is a good edition but in reality I'm sure that my many fantasy armies will be staying in their respective boxes for a very long time yet.

Davor wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Why do the mods lock rumour threads at Warseer?

The Mods there, like to beat their chest in thinking that Warseer is the best of the best and they don't have feeble fake crap on their site. Just look at them with Pancake edition of 40K. They thumped their chest in saying "see we were right in locking the threads with fake rumours".
It's a power thing. Most Mods on Warseer are on a power trip.

Warseer started earlier, with the Tyranid Codex rumours. Brimstone hunted down any rumour poster daring to quote Phil Kelly, that there will be several new units dwarfing the Carnifex. Because Warseer just knew that there will never be a Tyranid bigger than a Carnifex. The Dude made rumour summaries following that official line without Phil Kelly quotes, which eventually led to him becoming the new mod for 40k, rage-locking every rumour thread made impure by naughty Warseer posters. BTW, when banning Tyranid players left and right didn't help people trusting Phil Kelly, Warseer banned Tyranid rumour discussion altogether until Codex release.

Even earlier, Harry was universally attacked on Warseer, because he predicted a high elf chariot drawn by white lions. He still feels the scars from that time.

Wha... huh?

So they locked threads and banned people for discussing rumours because they themselves didn't believe them?

Don't want to derail the thread any further, but yes:
I was banned from Warseer for repeatedly making Tyranid rumour summaries including the Phil Kelly quote. The Dude was promoted for making rumour summaries without Phil Kelly quotes or any other content, attacking me personally for spreading such nonsense as what turned out to be Tervigons, Tyrannofexes and Harpies. Many other Tyranid players were banned for criticizing that. Yeah, crazy times, and it got worse.

So you came to the wild wild west of Dakka Dakka (and I am glad of it)

Anyway, we should probably get back to talking about fantasy 9th edition... which unfortunately I was really hoping for in 2014

 Kroothawk wrote:
Don't want to derail the thread any further, but yes:
I was banned from Warseer for repeatedly making Tyranid rumour summaries including the Phil Kelly quote. The Dude was promoted for making rumour summaries without Phil Kelly quotes or any other content, attacking me personally for spreading such nonsense as what turned out to be Tervigons, Tyrannofexes and Harpies. Many other Tyranid players were banned for criticizing that. Yeah, crazy times, and it got worse.

If my memory serves me right. GW came down hard on Warseer back in 2009 on a rumor or two. This might be something in the back of those moderator's minds when they locked down the thread.

Lovely. Brets get a new book... just in time for a new edition to nerf them. Again.

I am very sparing in posting on Warseer now - I find the moderation policy to be extremely dictatorial. Its a deeply unpleasant environment to have discussions on many things as its locked down faster than a Supermax during a riot.

I'd be pretty disheartened if the new edition invalidated existing army books, but I also find it pretty unlikely.

There were some pretty drastic changes from 7th to 8th, and they managed to keep all Army Books valid through use of FAQs. I would expect a repeat of that at most.

I think we can do without the discussion of other forums please folks.

Thank you.

And all forum moderators are on power trips BTW

 reds8n wrote:
I think we can do without the discussion of other forums please folks.

Thank you.

And all forum moderators are on power trips BTW

At least the ones here admit it


I'm saddened that DE won't be until next year. I think WFB has too many armies to only release 3 a year and if anything they should have a rough order in which armies are redone, something along the lines of most popular to least, and then changing that order should a book be broken from a new edition releasing. So like:

Empire
Orcs and Goblins
Vampire Counts
Warriors of Chaos
Dark Elves
High Elves
Dwarves
Skaven
Ogres
Lizardmen
Daemons
Tomb Kings
Bretonnians
Wood Elves
Beastmen


Then if in the middle of that cycle a new edition releases and army X is obliterated by the changes, then that army gets bumped up in the queue.

Since the beginning of the year we have had at least one army book/codex each month. Was no one else expecting that trend to continue?

 jonolikespie wrote:
Since the beginning of the year we have had at least one army book/codex each month. Was no one else expecting that trend to continue?

That would mean a WFB army every 2 months, meaning 6 a year which we certainly have not seen.

Also, it's only been 2 months which is a bit premature to say what the trend will be. Last year saw 2 WFB releases in the first 4 months, then nothing for 6 months.

The releases are not spread out very well at all. Empire in Jan, VC in April, then nothing until October for WoC(or was that Nov?).

Everyone remember that one time that every army got a new book within 6 years before a new edition came out? WTF happened to THAT model?

 Aerethan wrote:


Everyone remember that one time that every army got a new book within 6 years before a new edition came out? WTF happened to THAT model?

That only happened once, though. And it only happened because 7th broke the "every 4 Years" new edition rule which has existed since 4th edition(even 4th didn't see all the Army Books being released before 5th was released).

Sometimes those popularity list make me so made. Those lists are a forced popularity, mainly due to the fact that there seems to been a viscous cycle where people only like books that get updated often, and gw only update armies people like. If WEs got a new book as often as Orcs, I promise they'd be as popular as (if not more) then the other elf armies.

Sigh, sry.

/end rant

Coyote81 wrote:
Sometimes those popularity list make me so made. Those lists are a forced popularity, mainly due to the fact that there seems to been a viscous cycle where people only like books that get updated often, and gw only update armies people like. If WEs got a new book as often as Orcs, I promise they'd be as popular as (if not more) then the other elf armies.

Sigh, sry.

/end rant

I agree to a certain level. The logic is that GW hasn't updated armies that don't sell as well as others that get redone more often. It may be true that by updating them they'd see where those armies truly stand, but GW would rather spend money on the army that they know will sell rather than take a gamble.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Aerethan wrote:


Everyone remember that one time that every army got a new book within 6 years before a new edition came out? WTF happened to THAT model?

That only happened once, though. And it only happened because 7th broke the "every 4 Years" new edition rule which has existed since 4th edition(even 4th didn't see all the Army Books being released before 5th was released).

So they are on a 4 year cycle then?!?

Coyote81 wrote:
Sometimes those popularity list make me so made. Those lists are a forced popularity, mainly due to the fact that there seems to been a viscous cycle where people only like books that get updated often, and gw only update armies people like. If WEs got a new book as often as Orcs, I promise they'd be as popular as (if not more) then the other elf armies.

Sigh, sry.

/end rant

It may be upsetting, but GW will have sales figures/trends from when each army book was new, so they know what they sell like when new and shiney, and how fast the sales boost drops off

so I suspect they actually have the order pretty much right (yes the could 'force' popularity by popping out a clearly overpowered book, pulling in the power gamers but they seem to have at least tried not to do this recently)

 Alpharius wrote:


So they are on a 4 year cycle then?!?

According to Internet wisdom. As far as I can figure, that piece of knowledge is based on how long each previous edition's live span has lasted. I don't know that there's any published policy statement to this effect, though.

Per the info on the wikipedia page:

1st 1983
2nd 1984
3rd 1987
4th 1992 (4 years till next edition)
5th 1996 (4 years till next edition)
6th 2000 (6 years till next edition)
7th 2006 (4 years till next edition)
8th 2010 (? years till next edition)

 bbb wrote:
Per the info on the wikipedia page:

1st 1983
2nd 1984
3rd 1987
4th 1992 (4 years till next edition)
5th 1996 (4 years till next edition)
6th 2000 (6 years till next edition)
7th 2006 (4 years till next edition)
8th 2010 (? years till next edition)

And so far 6th edition, while not perfect, was the most overall balanced edition once it was all said and done. 5th was hero hammer, 7th was the age of Daemons and VC, and 8th is the age of the infantry bus. In 6th edition each army relied more on it's specific tactics rather than some universal win condition.

Also that time frame means 9th this year, which I'm almost certain won't be the case.

I really, really hope they get WHF right at some point. I love the idea of making an army, I love the fluff behind most of the armies, I love the spectacle when you setup the board.

Then you start rolling dice and looking up rules--and feel like you should be punching a clock.

 Aerethan wrote:

 bbb wrote:
Per the info on the wikipedia page:

1st 1983
2nd 1984
3rd 1987
4th 1992 (4 years till next edition)
5th 1996 (4 years till next edition)
6th 2000 (6 years till next edition)
7th 2006 (4 years till next edition)
8th 2010 (? years till next edition)

Also that time frame means 9th this year, which I'm almost certain won't be the case.

I may be missing something, but wouldn't 2010 + 4 years be 2014?

The biggest problem with 8th is my biggest problem with 6th 40K. Why the hell do I need magic/psionic, to play the damn game. I know there fantasy games, but you should be able to hold your own even if you don't want to sling spells across the feild.

 Dawnbringer wrote:

 Aerethan wrote:

 bbb wrote:
Per the info on the wikipedia page:

1st 1983
2nd 1984
3rd 1987
4th 1992 (4 years till next edition)
5th 1996 (4 years till next edition)
6th 2000 (6 years till next edition)
7th 2006 (4 years till next edition)
8th 2010 (? years till next edition)

Also that time frame means 9th this year, which I'm almost certain won't be the case.

I may be missing something, but wouldn't 2010 + 4 years be 2014?

Apologies, my math is off. I wouldn't expect 9th edition next year either.


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Noir wrote:
The biggest problem with 8th is my biggest problem with 6th 40K. Why the hell do I need magic/psionic, to play the damn game. I know there fantasy games, but you should be able to hold your own even if you don't want to sling spells across the feild.

Play dwarves? Not every army relies on magic.

 AgeOfEgos wrote:
I really, really hope they get WHF right at some point. I love the idea of making an army, I love the fluff behind most of the armies, I love the spectacle when you setup the board.

Then you start rolling dice and looking up rules--and feel like you should be punching a clock.

This sums it up nicely for me - I'm 100% in agreement with this statement.

And it is that feeling that's got me on the verge of cashing out of WFB.

 Aerethan wrote:

Noir wrote:
The biggest problem with 8th is my biggest problem with 6th 40K. Why the hell do I need magic/psionic, to play the damn game. I know there fantasy games, but you should be able to hold your own even if you don't want to sling spells across the feild.

Play dwarves? Not every army relies on magic.

Thats just white washing the problem. Ohh.. goody I can play one army and I need to get a Anvil to make it work, fun.