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I wonder when they will start with streach goals that actually add to pledges rather then more 'you can now buy this' (apart from dice). Am on the fence and am leaning to the not gonna up my pledge from 1dollar side.

Hate to say it, but they've pretty much said they will be offering very few "freebies" in this KS... and that those "freebies" will be mostly limited to non-model items (extra dice and counters)... much to the chagrin of the majority of their current backers...

... honestly, unless RRG makes some major changes in policy, I really don't see them ever growing beyond the "garage-space" company level... they're just not engaging their backers the way they should if they were serious about making this work long term...

Engaging with your backers does not need to mean giving away free stuff

and if you need to bribe somebody with free stuff they are less likely to be a buyer in the long term

(not to say they won't buy at all, but they either don't like it enough, or don't have the money to buy as much)

Well, if they don't add a choice or three to my $165.00 pledge level by the end, I will likely drop my support.

We all pledge on these Kickstarters looking for "value" whether we want to admit it (publicly) or not.

It seems like they are trying to go the Kingdom Death route with pricing, which is fine, but I think this will be even more niche than KD and won't support that practice long term. We'll see I guess.

I like what I see so far. I hope they do a full rule book release, so that I can at least pick that up.

~Eric

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Engaging with your backers does not need to mean giving away free stuff

and if you need to bribe somebody with free stuff they are less likely to be a buyer in the long term

(not to say they won't buy at all, but they either don't like it enough, or don't have the money to buy as much)

Oh, I like it well enough but it is contending with other things for my hobby budget. So I weigh in the value factor (I.e shipping costs and customs) vs value of what I'm getting and if I feel the what I'm getting is not worth the shipping and customs this fish does not bite I'm afraid. I'll get it when a EU stockists stock them and if they dont get a distributor in the EU then I'm glad I did not back as getting additional stuff for the game will be to much of a pain (shipping and customs again). This is my motto for KS and it has not failed me yet!

Oh I agree about customs/VAT,

that (shipping from they USA) to my mind is the real down for this KS from my point of view as well...

I do back projects that do it, but thye do have to be more special (or give more value) than those that either originate in the EU or send in a container and pay the VAT for us.

I'm certainly not saying more value/free stuff is not nice, just that it isn't the be all and end all of KS (sorry if I came across as heavy handed)

New update. Another gladiator in, more dice as a bonus. The next two stretch goals are Egyptian-based gladiators.

Love it!

But at a price of roughly +$17 give or take for each additional figure, this one can add up fast!

I love the look of this, but I'm concerned about international posting.. Especially the clause at the bottom where it says that the you will have to cover any customs fees and taxes.
Has anyone worked out what the pledges would cost in import tax in the UK?

For the UK you'll need to be prepared to add 20% (VAT) to your pledge amount

plus some sort of fee to whatever postal service collects the money (RM is about £8 flat fee, some couriers can be a bit more)

so spend £100 on the KS, and you may need another £28 or so available around delivery time

(of cource not all packages are stopped at customs so you might end up not having to pay any more, but don't count on it)


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Some goods attract import taxes as well but I think as a 'game' this would be zero rated

I really like the look of these models but the combination of quite high prices for each model, shipping costs, and the fact that I am refraining from any Kickstarters 'till Warpath comes along means I will have to skip this one. May have to pick up a model or two later on just for the joy of painting them though, every sculpt so far is incredible!

Thanks OrlandotheTexhnicoloured,
So the ludus Magnus pledge level at $95 (with international shipping) or £62, comes to about £82 for five minis... That seems harsh on UK buyers. I may just wait till this hits stores.

I definitely agree on the price point. Models look great so far, the game design is both interesting in concept and has a new twist to it, and the playability is right on.

But, $17 a model is hard to swallow. I think a minor price reduction would really drive a lot of business their way (if they can manage it--they seem small and would benefit from the KS moneys).

I'm still hoping to see an additional mini given as a stretch goal for the higher levels. Maybe a couple pieces of terrain. A board as an add-on would also be pretty awesome.

Even if it's a nice discount on individual figures (25%), the VAT for Europeans eat up that discount. So it's actually becoming a quite poor deal in the end if you take into account that you are "paying full price" for only the concept art. For Europeans it's actually a lot better to not join this KS and buy the figures at full retail price since you will get a good picture of how the figures will look.

You know, this KS reminds me a lot of Bombshell Babes. There's certainly a lot more focus in this one, being that there is a game involve with the minis, but the stretch goals unlocking new minis is the same idea.

Bombshell Babes ended with $140,000. I don;t know what they are looking for in Arena Rex, but they are already outpacing Bombshell Babes.

Prices are not that different either at the base level. But, Bombshell scaled up the value at the higher levels. It was $75 for 4 models and then $150 for 15. Still hoping for some kind of discount/freebie to pop up to make this totally unmissable.

One thing to also remember on the UK customs charges is that they also charge it on the postage costs.

Think I will be dropping out of this one as its doing little to excite me. Will just buy a couple of minis once its released.

This is getting my money instead

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1471855235/torn-armor

I'm definitely interested in this project, but really would like to see the occasional freebie or upgrade... with a limited budget, more options is actually worse: it means I need to pick and choose. In the case of WWX, that meant that I didn't feel good about the overwhelming options, so avoided something I might otherwise have started.

I'm looking forward to to play testing the rules over the summer. Learning rules is usually my least favorite thing to do, but the rule previews on the Arena Rex website has intrigued me. I like that you earn favor when things are starting to turn sour to keep the game from becoming one sided.

I also like that AR allows you to activate the models you want to focus on that turn, rather than forcing you to rotate through everything. I think that would make me feel more caught up in the action.

Arena Rex has posted in the comments with some of the wips they're waiting on from the sculptors.

"Hey Everyone, we are hard at work prepping the next stretch goals and making plans for the rest of the campaign. We plan on shooting the gameplay video tomorrow or Friday, after that I'll do some minor video editing and up on the Kickstarter it will go.

With respect to WiP, we are just as excited to see these as you are and will share them with you as they are ready. Currently MIKH is finishing Otho and beginning work on Lupa. Valentin Zak is putting the finishing touches on Micon. Work on Noxius might begin this month too.

Much of my time lately has been spent pairing unlocked gladiators with sculptors. I have some excellent news on that point, Sebastian Archer will be working on two more gladiators this Summer! We are thrilled that he is making time for us and will have more info soon."

I absolutely adore the concept art and the model that I have seen looks incredible, that said I think the pricing with international postage and VAT to be added on is just too much for me, shame really :(

Hadn't seen this posted yet, and I find it very relevant and good:
Caused me to pledge at 3, will bump to 5 after I see some more models that I like.

Thanks for the post. A little surprised there's no Malifaux scale mini there, thought it was way more established than Dystopian Legions.

Also, excited that it fits in with the scale of Kingdom Death.

grefven wrote:
Even if it's a nice discount on individual figures (25%), the VAT for Europeans eat up that discount. So it's actually becoming a quite poor deal in the end if you take into account that you are "paying full price" for only the concept art. For Europeans it's actually a lot better to not join this KS and buy the figures at full retail price since you will get a good picture of how the figures will look.

You're right, Swedish VAT could easily turn this deal from good to bad. I am still thinking about going in at the $55 level to get the KS exclusive Lupa mini and the playtest PDF's, though.

You should be OK iff you consider the proposed retail price of the figures

$17 KS up to $23
$21 KS up to $28

so the prices still looks to be a bit of a deal (and you'll get dice and rule book too)

I guess the real deciding factor is how much you get charged by your postal service to collect the VAT (here in the UK it's about £8-10)

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I guess the real deciding factor is how much you get charged by your postal service to collect the VAT (here in the UK it's about £8-10)

Here in Sweden I believe it's 100 SEK (around £10). On a small order, this does feel like a pretty big hit.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
You should be OK iff you consider the proposed retail price of the figures

$17 KS up to $23
$21 KS up to $28

so the prices still looks to be a bit of a deal (and you'll get dice and rule book too)

I guess the real deciding factor is how much you get charged by your postal service to collect the VAT (here in the UK it's about £8-10)

Interesting to see that his scale 'issue' and pricing are NOT negatively affecting him as they were the THON campaign.

Maybe the motif lends itself to people NOT thinking about using them as 'counts as' stuff in another game?

Or maybe SF games will always suffer from being compared to 40K, at least for now?

 Alpharius wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
You should be OK iff you consider the proposed retail price of the figures

$17 KS up to $23
$21 KS up to $28

so the prices still looks to be a bit of a deal (and you'll get dice and rule book too)

I guess the real deciding factor is how much you get charged by your postal service to collect the VAT (here in the UK it's about £8-10)

Interesting to see that his scale 'issue' and pricing are NOT negatively affecting him as they were the THON campaign.

Maybe the motif lends itself to people NOT thinking about using them as 'counts as' stuff in another game?

Or maybe SF games will always suffer from being compared to 40K, at least for now?

I was thinking the same thing last night, and I have to dial part of it up to the fact that with Arena Rex, we all have a solid approximation of how many models we're going to 'need' to get a "full" game in. With the sweet spot being 3-5 per team, a pledge level exists to give you just that. Couple that with no scale issues and the fact that relatively well known sculpotrs are working on it, and I think that helps.

Can't lie and say it'd help more if there were a few freebies here and there tossed in as stretch goals.

Holy crap. Someone call poots. We need a virigin sacrifice pin up for Arena Rex.

I think it also helps that while you get bonuses for keeping your Ludus faction pure, there's no actual restriction on forming one. That means that we're free to choose whatever models we want/like(be it because of faction, aesthetics, whatever) and not have to worry that we can't field them.

Yeah, the $17 a model didn't seem "that" bad when I just paid $25 for what appears to be very similarly sized and detailed KD Minis