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Sm in june :( Why does GW hate my wallet?

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Sm in june :( Why does GW hate my wallet?

Oh GW doesn't hate your wallet, it loooooves your wallet. It wants be with all the time and get in it as much as possible. <all done in creepy voice>

Faeit212 definitely has a special style:
Natfka:"Stop press: Reliable Source says, not Eldar but Space Marines are next."
Natfka next day:"Stop Press: Reliable source says, not Space Marines but Eldar are next."
Yeah, we all knew from the start

Whatever gets the page clicks, right?

Wow... my sympathy goes out to all you Eldar players. I don't understand why marines would be bumped in front of Eldar, the Space Marine codex is still perfectly playable. What a shame.

I would think it depends on what they finish first. If they have three armies in Playtesting, each in different stages of rule-dom, the SM are played the most and rules finished first it makes sense that Space Marines get bumped up before Eldar. Not that I'm condoning this, if the Eldar are bumped it'll but a bad taste in some poeple's mouths.

 McNinja wrote:
I would think it depends on what they finish first. If they have three armies in Playtesting, each in different stages of rule-dom, the SM are played the most and rules finished first it makes sense that Space Marines get bumped up before Eldar. Not that I'm condoning this, if the Eldar are bumped it'll but a bad taste in some poeple's mouths.

I think you're rather underestimating how far in advance GW generally work with models. Ok, Death From The Skies could have been , and probably was, knocked up in a lunch hour, and from document to printing press is relatively short, but some Eldar models have been rumoured to have been completed literally years ago. Factor in the logistics needed for a simultaneous worldwide release and getting it all where it needs to be, and it's very likely that this years schedule was finalised last year sometime, and will be stuck to except in the most dire of circumstances.

Any digression is more likely as a result of poor info on our part, rather than any changes on theirs.

 McNinja wrote:
I would think it depends on what they finish first. If they have three armies in Playtesting, each in different stages of rule-dom, the SM are played the most and rules finished first it makes sense that Space Marines get bumped up before Eldar. Not that I'm condoning this, if the Eldar are bumped it'll but a bad taste in some poeple's mouths.

I agree. Playtesting is going to take a lot less time for C:SM then eldar. Space marines, particularly vanilla, are pretty simple. Eldar are a lot more complex with lots of finicky rules and every unit different.

For SM, all they need to do is add whatever new unit they are trying to sell, grab a few already tested things from other codexes, and ship it. Eldar is going to need a complete re-wroking from the ground up.

While the C:SM codex doesn't really need to be done, it should be easy and quick to do. Not looking forward to it myself, as I like the current one, but there you go...

 creeping-deth87 wrote:
Wow... my sympathy goes out to all you Eldar players. I don't understand why marines would be bumped in front of Eldar, the Space Marine codex is still perfectly playable. What a shame.

No, see, you're reading the Faeit rumors from Tuesday. The Faeit rumors from Wednesday say Eldar are still the next after Tau. Now, what they'll say today? Who knows.

 creeping-deth87 wrote:
Wow... my sympathy goes out to all you Eldar players. I don't understand why marines would be bumped in front of Eldar, the Space Marine codex is still perfectly playable. What a shame.

SInce RT it's been established the Eldar are a dying race, their power spent. Frankly it's time to fold them into the Tau codex as another also ran like the Vespids and Kroot.

If Hastings says Eldar are next, then Eldar are next.

 Kroothawk wrote:

75hastings69 wrote:Not being into 40k I don't know what the "traits system" is, however here's what I've heard for the SM codex, you choose a chapter and that choice confers a bonus/bonuses to your army e.g. My imperial fists get tank hunter and bolter drill. Is that similar to what you mean?

I've always thought DA, BA, SW needed their own books, but if they made crusading chapter traits (something that expands beyond BT), then BT could be rolled into that.

AFAIK you are correct, DA, BA & SW remain independent codex armies, other SM chapters are dealt with in the SM codex.

How would generic characters work with this supposed trait system? For example, would you say that the model is a count-as (or is the same chapter as) Blood Ravens captain, they would have a Blood Ravens trait that will confer a chapter tactics to replace combat tactics? I have Counter-attack for my custom Gabriel Angelos rules, since he is a Blood Ravens special character.

 ace101 wrote:
How would generic characters work with this supposed trait system? For example, would you say that the model is a count-as (or is the same chapter as) Blood Ravens captain, they would have a Blood Ravens trait that will confer a chapter tactics to replace combat tactics? I have Counter-attack for my custom Gabriel Angelos rules, since he is a Blood Ravens special character.

No, that's the backwards way of doing it. Blood Ravens don't stop being Blood Ravens just because Angelos isn't around at the moment. The smarter approach is to define "Blood Ravens" as a particular set of traits/chapter tactics/doctrines that includes access to certain special characters.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 creeping-deth87 wrote:
Wow... my sympathy goes out to all you Eldar players. I don't understand why marines would be bumped in front of Eldar, the Space Marine codex is still perfectly playable. What a shame.

SInce RT it's been established the Eldar are a dying race, their power spent. Frankly it's time to fold them into the Tau codex as another also ran like the Vespids and Kroot.

If various races get folded into other codex's because they've had their day in the sun - doesn't that mean 40k ends when every army gets folded into the tyranid codex?

 AlexHolker wrote:

 ace101 wrote:
How would generic characters work with this supposed trait system? For example, would you say that the model is a count-as (or is the same chapter as) Blood Ravens captain, they would have a Blood Ravens trait that will confer a chapter tactics to replace combat tactics? I have Counter-attack for my custom Gabriel Angelos rules, since he is a Blood Ravens special character.

No, that's the backwards way of doing it. Blood Ravens don't stop being Blood Ravens just because Angelos isn't around at the moment. The smarter approach is to define "Blood Ravens" as a particular set of traits/chapter tactics/doctrines that includes access to certain special characters.

I know, that's the way i was thinking is you buy a captain model, and give him the Blood Ravens trait, which gives him combat tactics. Maybe if you buy a captain model, you can use a special character trait on a counts-as basis, because those fine-cast models are a major pain.

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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 creeping-deth87 wrote:
Wow... my sympathy goes out to all you Eldar players. I don't understand why marines would be bumped in front of Eldar, the Space Marine codex is still perfectly playable. What a shame.

SInce RT it's been established the Eldar are a dying race, their power spent. Frankly it's time to fold them into the Tau codex as another also ran like the Vespids and Kroot.

If various races get folded into other codex's because they've had their day in the sun - doesn't that mean 40k ends when every army gets folded into the tyranid codex?

The Squats got folder into the Tyranid codex just fine.

Just going to leave this here. From Natfka:

2 days from now will be the new tau codex + units release.

*BAM*

That picture could fuel an entire new rumors thread.

If that's a plastic Thunderhawk at a better price point than the FW one, I can hear the howls of sadness coming from Carl Tuttle's wallet already...

 pretre wrote:
Just going to leave this here. From Natfka:

*Patiently waits for people to identify any differences/similarities between that and the Forgeworld model*

Looks like the Forgeworld one to me.

Strewth

I... think it's just the forgeworld model. Even things like the heavy bolters ammo hoppers are the same.

Then again, that doesn't say much - after all, look at the Valkyrie.

 Compel wrote:
I... think it's just the forgeworld model. Even things like the heavy bolters ammo hoppers are the same.

Then again, that doesn't say much - after all, look at the Valkyrie.

Yeah, all the little details match up to me. The trio of indents and the 'nibs' either side of the canopy, the sticky-up bits behind the canopy, all sorts suggests it's the same to me.

1 is WD, 2 and 3 are FW.


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Cockpit looks different.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 creeping-deth87 wrote:
Wow... my sympathy goes out to all you Eldar players. I don't understand why marines would be bumped in front of Eldar, the Space Marine codex is still perfectly playable. What a shame.

SInce RT it's been established the Eldar are a dying race, their power spent. Frankly it's time to fold them into the Tau codex as another also ran like the Vespids and Kroot.

Awesome troll. Loved it!

 pretre wrote:
Cockpit looks different.

I don't see the difference myself. The windows are blacked out and a skull/eagle has been removed, but that's it; even the 5 rivets in front and the 4 sticky-out-bits (antenna?) are the same, it seems?

 pretre wrote:


First and third are FW. Second is from WD.
Cockpit looks different.

1. Your order is incorrect. 1 is WD, 2 and 3 are FW.
2. Agreed. Also, the Aquilla on the front was replaced with an Ultramarines transfer. That can be done with a hobby knife, though. Otherwise, I can't see a difference.

 pretre wrote:




First and third are FW. Second is from WD.


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Cockpit looks different.

The cockpit does look different. Damn, if they actually release a plastic Thunderhawk I'll have to jump back into getting my vanilla marines in a playable state again... Ugh, between my Death Guard, re-vamping my Tau, and now this I'm so going to be broke this year.

Oh great and mighty Games Workshop, gift unto me a plastic Thunderhawk and i shall collect a full space marine chapter replete with full armoury and super numeracy units in a chapter of your choosing even if it should cost my life's savings, first and second born sons (its ok you can have them. I only want daughters anyway.) and various limbs.





Petre, Don't you mean 1st is wd 2nd is fw?