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 greenskin lynn wrote:

 Bolognesus wrote:
They do kind of have to make these things available as a bits pack now, though. they're actually pretty damn nice..
Wondering if perhaps the heads/goggles are actually bits for stuff we haven't seen yet?

the goggles are from the forgefather kit i believe

...Ah, I see. Heh, guess I disliked 'em so intensely on the FF I hadn't thought of them here anymore. Nice catch

 agnosto wrote:
It takes 6 months to take a pic of a print before it goes in the mail to China? Wow, I could seriously make some money as a photographer by offer, what 2 week service? No? How about the literal 30 seconds it takes, considering they have no problem showing off teaser images of some odd scrap on someone's desk?

It's not like we're actually going to see these in the mail before June anyway. That's fine but I'm just nonplussed by the endless parade of Kickstarters they're trotting out without actually finishing the first one they started. Just think how fast they cold have produced everything from the KoW KS if they had focused on that instead of adding dreadball and fantasy chess lines... Instead of x number of sculptors/ workers putting together 3 lines of miniatures how about they all work together and finish the one that was offered first?

Note: I'm not upset or anything I'm just expressing a perception.

The sculpts were shot before they went of to be tooled. And yes, I can imagine it takes 6 months to have the item sculpted, checked, double checked and triple checked to make sure it all works as they want (otherwise re-sculpted or canned and start again if necessary), then have it shipped to China to be tooled before they are mass produced and shipped back, packed into peoples orders which are then ready to be shipped out to the individual backers.

Remember, they are still on schedule to supply this. Getting together all the kings horses and all the kings men of the sculpting team wouldn't speed this up at all. It's not like they're doing it in-house and they need the artists to sculpt, check, make master molds, demold, cast masters, make regular molds, cut and ensure clean sprue lines, then cast all the miniatures they need. The sculpts have been done by multiple artists and have been sent off, what's hard to get about that? Them having multiple kickstarters doesn't even enter into it.

They're on schedule. All the previous available items have been shipped, they're just waiting on the restics and their new plastic miniatures. It's not too hard a thing to understand.

 Fenriswulf wrote:

 agnosto wrote:

Note: I'm not upset or anything I'm just expressing a perception.

The sculpts have been done by multiple artists and have been sent off, what's hard to get about that?

I dunno, probably the same way it was hard to understand my statement in the quote above. Markets operate on perception so do the purchasing decisions of consumers. Person A asked for money from person B to do some work on their house then a couple of months later, without having finished compensating person B, person A asks for more money from person C to do some work on their car and some time later asks person D for money to do some work on something else; meanwhile, person B is still waiting for what was promised him. Mind you the date of agreement on the loan isn't due yet but it is not unseasonable for person B to feel left out while all these other people get partial payments. Nearly like a ponzu scheme in some regards. We're going to give you just enough to string you along while we soak these other suckers for what they can give.

Mind you, I'm not implying this is what is happening here; I am absolutely certain that I will receive my goods and more than likely within the timeframe projected ( I wouldn't even be upset if they're late). I am just expressing a not unreasonable perception. You can disagree and that's fine, as with everything in life YMMV.

...Except there's nothing strange about supply pipelines with some delay in them, or businesses taking on multiple ventures concurrently - it's just sort of new to see it in a consumer-facing operation, but that's really not so strange, in something like crowd*funding*.
If you don't like that, by all means do feel free to wait until stuff hits retail. Noone's stopping you.

With regards to that pic, best April Fool this year by far

Almost had me until I saw the banner pole with the goggles and the goggles on the severed pair of legs

 Cyporiean wrote:
I hate today so much.

This is the best post I've read all day.

-C6

 agnosto wrote:

 Fenriswulf wrote:

 agnosto wrote:

Note: I'm not upset or anything I'm just expressing a perception.

The sculpts have been done by multiple artists and have been sent off, what's hard to get about that?

I dunno, probably the same way it was hard to understand my statement in the quote above. Markets operate on perception so do the purchasing decisions of consumers. Person A asked for money from person B to do some work on their house then a couple of months later, without having finished compensating person B, person A asks for more money from person C to do some work on their car and some time later asks person D for money to do some work on something else; meanwhile, person B is still waiting for what was promised him. Mind you the date of agreement on the loan isn't due yet but it is not unseasonable for person B to feel left out while all these other people get partial payments. Nearly like a ponzu scheme in some regards. We're going to give you just enough to string you along while we soak these other suckers for what they can give.

Mind you, I'm not implying this is what is happening here; I am absolutely certain that I will receive my goods and more than likely within the timeframe projected ( I wouldn't even be upset if they're late). I am just expressing a not unreasonable perception. You can disagree and that's fine, as with everything in life YMMV.

Because businesses NEVER take on more than one job at a time right -_- It's not like the people are specialised at certain jobs. No, instead they're all jack of all trades. Heck, why not ask the sculptor to go to help cast the miniatures as well. Sculpting new models for new product lines is clearly a misuse of his time when so many other people are waiting for the miniatures to finish casting. Same for the marketers, the rule designers etc. We should all ship them to the factory to help in the casting process. amirite

The more Kickstarters they fit into a year the more money they make. It's that simple.

As long as they ship reasonably close to their predicted projections I don't see a problem with this.

 agnosto wrote:

It takes 6 months to take a pic of a print before it goes in the mail to China? Wow, I could seriously make some money as a photographer by offer, what 2 week service? No? How about the literal 30 seconds it takes, considering they have no problem showing off teaser images of some odd scrap on someone's desk?

It's not like we're actually going to see these in the mail beforen June anyway. That's fine but I'm just nonplussed by the endless parade of Kickstarters they're trotting out without actually finishing the first one they started. Just think how fast they cold have produced everything from the KoW KS if they had focused on that instead of adding dreadball and fantasy chess lines... Instead of x number of sculptors/ workers putting together 3 lines of miniatures how about they all work together and finish the one that was offered first?

Note: I'm not upset or anything I'm just expressing a perception.

"It takes 6 months to take a pic of a print before it goes in the mail to China?" - I'm not sure what you're asking here.

I'm still confused as to what the problem is. For example, we got preview shots of the Ogres while they were being sculpted, they went to China, then we got a pic of the test run sitting on the Mantic people's desk, and then we got a poll asking what the studio official color scheme should be, and then I'm going to assume shortly we'll get painted examples of the painted models while china is making ten thousand ogre casts. This is the opposite route that other companies have been taking, where they'll show lots of preview pics, then get the master all painted up, and show off lots of great pics of the painted masters, and then actually send them to get cast a month after their due date.

You do realize there was like 20+ new kits (all with multiple poses and bits) that were sculpted and are now being tooled/cast in china for a delivery date in 2 months? That it's all on time?

I can understand being grumpy with late Kickstarters (like, oh, OGRE or Sedition Wars) who are consistently and constantly late, but then Mantic is pretty much delivering everything on time (or early for many KoW and DB backers' initial shipments).

I think I haven't done a reasonably good job of explaining myself. I'm not upset with Mantic, I'm just trying to see it from the viewpoint of people who did grumble on the KS board and other areas. I don't know, nor do I care about Mantic's corporate governance or policies. The only complaint I have ever had was regarding some, small periods of time with little contact while receiving weekly updates about dreadball which gave the impression Mantic wasn't too concerned about KoW as much as the shiny new game; maybe that's just my GW PTSD response.
Anywho, I won't derail tins thread any more and I hope that I was better able to explain my original comment ( which was really tongue in cheek considering I couched it in Monty python).

Cheers

Warpath looks fantasyish because their races are humans, dwarves, rats, and Orks. It doesn't matter who the sculpters are. And now they are adding zombies??? They need to stick to robots, bugs, and aliens for a while, similar to what season 2 of dreadball did, for people to start thinking of the Warpath universe as sci-Fi versus the high tech fantasy setting it is right now.

 agnosto wrote:
I think I haven't done a reasonably good job of explaining myself. I'm not upset with Mantic, I'm just trying to see it from the viewpoint of people who did grumble on the KS board and other areas. I don't know, nor do I care about Mantic's corporate governance or policies. The only complaint I have ever had was regarding some, small periods of time with little contact while receiving weekly updates about dreadball which gave the impression Mantic wasn't too concerned about KoW as much as the shiny new game; maybe that's just my GW PTSD response.
Anywho, I won't derail tins thread any more and I hope that I was better able to explain my original comment ( which was really tongue in cheek considering I couched it in Monty python).

Cheers

Oh, then I completely agree with you. They have done a very poor job of updating - and they should have a section on their website that lists the preview shots they've posted as well as recent updates; and every KoW update should have a link to that. See, I read their updates plus the posts on the forums and the comments and everything so I know more of what's actually going on, but if I only paid attention to the KS updates then I'd be pretty upset too. Mantic is just not very good at presenting their information in an orderly fashion.

Deadzone artwork from the Mantic website showing Enforcers and the Plague.

I've played a few games of Warpath using Marauders and Corporation. Really like it so far!

Is it just me or does that artwork look like something you might see on a video game from the 90's? It just screams bad photoshopping everywhere you look.

A truly dire piece of art work.

But those zombies do look kinda cool. Hopefully, the models are decent.

 Commander Cain wrote:
Is it just me or does that artwork look like something you might see on a video game from the 90's? It just screams bad photoshopping everywhere you look.

You know I couldn't put my finger on why I liked it, but perhaps it is for that very reason!

That cover... is just bad.

That's probably not the actual cover and logo, it's a promo piece from the inside of the dreadball season 2 book.

 scarletsquig wrote:
That's probably not the actual cover and logo, it's a promo piece from the inside of the dreadball season 2 book.

Hopefully thats the case and they get either the Dreadball Coverart guy or Heath to do the proper cover.

I smell stretch goal!

Okay, it's confirmed to not be the finalized cover art or logo, they put a cropped, low-res WIP into the DB season 2 rulebook for the teaser because that's all they had access to at the time it went to print (probably a month or two ago).

I thought as much, does get me interested to see some more proper art though...

Not quite sure what that says about my tastes, as I thought that was pretty cool !

 Deathwolf wrote:

DO YOU WANT TO KNOW MORE?

It's a bit campy, but I can appreciate it if they don't take themselves too seriously

I think I can explain why some people don't like this picture: It does not have nearly enough skulls for sci-fi.
Everybody knows that heaps of skulls are necessary for all artwork/models in the sci-fi genre.

Seriously though, I agree that it is campy but that I like it. It reminds me of the covers of the sci-fi novels I read growing up in the 90's (also video game covers even though I don't play them much).

 judgedoug wrote:

Oh, then I completely agree with you. They have done a very poor job of updating - and they should have a section on their website that lists the preview shots they've posted as well as recent updates; and every KoW update should have a link to that. See, I read their updates plus the posts on the forums and the comments and everything so I know more of what's actually going on, but if I only paid attention to the KS updates then I'd be pretty upset too. Mantic is just not very good at presenting their information in an orderly fashion.

The funny thing is that they really were good at updating. They were pretty much the best, back when people were complaining about the lack of communication from CMON about Sedition Wars and Relic Knights. Now they've dropped off, but I think people's expectations have as well, given the state of a great deal of projects in the last 4 months...


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 Commander Cain wrote:
Is it just me or does that artwork look like something you might see on a video game from the 90's? It just screams bad photoshopping everywhere you look.

Good call. That or a less-focussed WD cover from the '90's..

I wonder if that image is truly indicative of what will be in the game? Will we get an Enforcer Commander in plastic? Heads with open helmets? I see a sniper in the background, will we be getting snipers and rules for them?

And what is wrong with WD covers from the 90's, other than them being far too awesome, and the first thing that brought a lot of us into the wargaming hobby in the first place?

Not sure what WD covers from the 90s anyone thinks that Deadzone cover resembles.
gakky Black Library covers from the 2000s, sure.
Campy or not WD cover art in the 90s used to be done by actual illustrators, not some guy with a ripped version of CS and a DeviantArt account.

I agree with Pacific, what it lacks in polish, it makes up for in awesome.

Plus, we are just looking at a cropped, low-res WIP version of the final art at this point (ripped directly from the .pdf of the season 2 rulebook).

As far as the minis matching the cover art goes, I do hope that the big Plague beastie will actually be that massive, it would be pretty cool as a centrepiece.