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I'm interpreting it as the second, i.e. to mean the factory shipped what they had, and that it was short what MERCS had requested. No lost container; the factory just didn't pack or didn't have the full run when these got shipped.

So it is likely that MERCS will have to inventory everything and get a second shipment for the shortage, worse case.

Can't say I'm surprised, but this gives me more time to digest the rules.

I'm up to page 30 and everything I've read so far is gelling. So far I'm not seeing the overblown issues that everyone has, but maybe that's because all the problems are in the second half of the rulebook.

Looking forward to getting all the KS goodies though, as that will really give the game quite a bit of variety.

Hopefully they can do something about the situation for everyone outside of the US. I'm fine with waiting until the rest of the world gets their goodies.

So when they do get everything figured out is everything going out to Internationals or will there be a wave1/2 scenario as well?

Hope for it by Christmas. Expect it after CNY 2015.

Also. feth the MERCs campaign.

 Azazelx wrote:
Hope for it by Christmas. Expect it after CNY 2015.

That would work out pretty well for me, actually. I added a second Captain pledge on the PM to give to a friend for Christmas last year, all I would have to do is change the date.

 Azazelx wrote:
Also. feth the MERCs campaign.

What in particular about it?

Bummer about the container issues... a lot of companies are learning logistics the hard way through Kickstarter, it seems.

 spiralingcadaver wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:
Also. feth the MERCs campaign.

What in particular about it?

Mostly by association, due to the whole "oops, tough gak" attitude to overseas backers & shipping that has started to come out of them this year.

Mostly.

 Azazelx wrote:
the whole "oops, tough gak" attitude to overseas backers & shipping

That seems like a bit of an interpretation of event more than a reality.

Well, it's now the second time we've been told "Sorry guys, you'll have to wait before you get anything." So predictably, I'm not all that excited by their response and the inevitable additional 6+ months that it will add to getting the game. The fact that they've spun various levels of bs a few times (taxes!) also contributes to my ill feeling towards them, as does the apparently badly-written rulebook and much of the attitude displayed during MERCS.

It's pretty much become another "Christmas 2014, if you're lucky" Kickstarter.

Yeah there's nothing quite like getting a game so late that everybody else has already played it and moved on to something else..

Well, at least you're in the EU so you'll definitely get your stuff earlier than the rest of us Non-USA, non-EU heathens.

That's true. But on the plus side, by the time you guys get your copy, there will be plenty on eBay from US and EU backers in case you want to get another copy

They did say that they're open to you guys paying shipping for what they have now for all non-US. So they're giving you the option to vote with your wallet.

 Azazelx wrote:
Well, it's now the second time we've been told "Sorry guys, you'll have to wait before you get anything." So predictably, I'm not all that excited by their response and the inevitable additional 6+ months that it will add to getting the game. The fact that they've spun various levels of bs a few times (taxes!) also contributes to my ill feeling towards them, as does the apparently badly-written rulebook and much of the attitude displayed during MERCS.

It's pretty much become another "Christmas 2014, if you're lucky" Kickstarter.

There is a big leap from being annoyed to assigning motive. I get the frustration, but that doesn't mean they are being purposefully malicious or insulting.

I'm not sure what all of this means in terms of WHEN things will ship.

Once we know that, then I'll vote with my wallet in terms of paying for additional shipping or not - but something there doesn't seem quite right...

Hmm :/

Yeah. That's not a great policy. Thanks Azazelx & co. for the explanation. Not a great company policy. Feeling better about not having backed mercs.

 Catyrpelius wrote:

Yeah.. The spot I'm in right now, spend $300 to $400 on ebay or buy basically an incomplete game for $67.50.

I think your best bet is to wait until the next Myth KS starts and see if this is a less expensive option than eBay while adding enough content to be a "complete enough" game.

fyi, Descent will have a coop campaign released, so anyone who's thinking of buying Myth for coop should wait for reviews of the Descent coop campaign.


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 Azazelx wrote:
Well, it's now the second time we've been told "Sorry guys, you'll have to wait before you get anything." So predictably, I'm not all that excited by their response and the inevitable additional 6+ months that it will add to getting the game. The fact that they've spun various levels of bs a few times (taxes!) also contributes to my ill feeling towards them, as does the apparently badly-written rulebook and much of the attitude displayed during MERCS.

I think MERCS hit the usual minefields that are the risks you take when backing a KS project:
* No rulebook or final rulebook to review before purchase.
* Delays, followed by delays, followed by extra delays.
* Bend over if you're an international backer.

Pretty much every KS I"ve backed that involved overseas production and miniatures has been delayed. Add to this how internationals pay more money and wait longer makes me skip many projects outside of my country.

If you're an international and backing the Cthulhu Wars KS... set expectations accordingly.

 Salacious Greed wrote:
They did say that they're open to you guys paying shipping for what they have now for all non-US. So they're giving you the option to vote with your wallet.

Pretty sure that I already paid shipping, and also pretty sure that the delays are on their end rather than mine - so I'm not sure where the "vote with my wallet" aspect really comes in. I think I might vote with my wallet by not backing or buying anything further from them instead. But it's nice of them to apparently be pulling a Sedition Wars and allow us to purchase a working rulebook as part of their next kickstarter rather than just sending me one. Yeah, I know it costs them money to do that. No, I don't give a gak. Goodwill brings in a lot more cash than unhappy customers, surely?

 Ahtman wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:

It's pretty much become another "Christmas 2014, if you're lucky" Kickstarter.

There is a big leap from being annoyed to assigning motive. I get the frustration, but that doesn't mean they are being purposefully malicious or insulting.

It may not be purposeful, but they're basically being dicks about it, which they're in a position to do since they already have my money and it's very difficult for me to get it back. I wonder what will happen come June or July - when was it exactly that they promised that they would start honouring refund requests? I wonder if they'll "no, but.." when the date hits? I'll have to check and see just how much cash I sent them. The refund might actually be a better way to go by that stage. Especially for a rulebook that will probably still have a broken rulebook. Besides, I have both Journey: Wrath of Demons and Shadows of Brimstone coming for my Dungeon Crawling fix, and I trust Flying Frog to have competent rules written up and both SoB and Journey to have some amazing figures...


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See, the other thing was that when US backers were getting their first wave shipped was the first I heard about "Sorry, no waves for you!" applying to us dirty foreigners. No mention of it before then that I saw, either when they drew near to the original ship date, to the end of 2013, or when they told us "Sorry - we could have had it in hand in December, but we've decided not to because taxes" or when they changed their story in to "Sorry dudes, but it turns out that ships are slow."

ced1106 wrote:

 Catyrpelius wrote:

Yeah.. The spot I'm in right now, spend $300 to $400 on ebay or buy basically an incomplete game for $67.50.

I think your best bet is to wait until the next Myth KS starts and see if this is a less expensive option than eBay while adding enough content to be a "complete enough" game.

fyi, Descent will have a coop campaign released, so anyone who's thinking of buying Myth for coop should wait for reviews of the Descent coop campaign.

Actually I think I'd have a pretty hard time talking myself into backing another one of their KS projects...

My main issue is the core product, if they do not upgrade it by the kickstarter success, it will be a failed product.

Yeah, the basic infantry is fine, as are the heroes, but I really think they should have put more variety in big baddies, and I'm sure the extra minis wouldn't add that much to the cost compared to what they'd gain from people who're happy with the core product.

Update due soon, apparently...

Creator MERCS Miniatures about 17 hours ago
I should have an update tomorrow with answers to several of the questions you've been asking. Still waiting for a few more answers from China.

Doesn't exactly sound encouraging.

What was the exact date they gave for their ironclad guarantee about refunds?


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Thank you, google:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1700755582/myth-0/posts/691438

But we also understand Kickstarter and right now you might be saying to yourself, “Here we go again…another infinitely delayed KS.” We want to reassure all backers with a guarantee. We are so confident you’ll have your game and stretch goals within five months of the original date that we will give a refund to anyone who requests their money back if we fail to deliver your pledge before June 31st, 2014.

Note the word delivered. Aside from the fact that June doesn't have a 31st, which might cause them to try and weasel it into July, it puts them in a tight spot. They have 7 1/2 weeks to get all my gak to me. Hm.. US$451. I could do a lot with that.

There is no way everything gets delivered by the end of June.

I fully expect the 'news' from China to be 'more delays'.

I'd be shocked if everyone in the USA gets their stuff delivered by the end of June.

The ROW folks?

No way!

 Alpharius wrote:
There is no way everything gets delivered by the end of June.

I fully expect the 'news' from China to be 'more delays'.

I'd be shocked if everyone in the USA gets their stuff delivered by the end of June.

The ROW folks?

No way!

Your looking at a minimum three weeks on a boat... So assuming the news their waiting to hear from china is 'That the boat has sailed', your looking at the end of May for arrival in the use. Another week to get through customs. Say another week to get to their warehouse, be unpacked, sorted, inventoried and readied for shipment. Your already two weeks into June...

Good point!

So unless the news from China is "The stuff is on the way!", well, it isn't looking good.

 Alpharius wrote:
Good point!

So unless the news from China is "The stuff is on the way!", well, it isn't looking good.

Maybe their going to airmail all the stuff over?

I'm curious if anybody would cancel their pledge when it could ship in a month or so.

I'd think people would probably try selling their pledge first.

I probably would cancel it if I could get the full amount back. Just tired of the BS, and merc disappearing for days with no reply isn't a great sign either.

Sining wrote:
I probably would cancel it if I could get the full amount back. Just tired of the BS, and merc disappearing for days with no reply isn't a great sign either.

That's fair. I suppose after a year, you might not even need/want the thing you pledged for anyway!