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Land Raiders are a special problem because they *usually* are carrying assault terminators. So whatever gets close enough to frag the thing is going to be assaulted by angry TH/SS terminators the next turn. Possible exception: crisis suits with JSJ using the new 18" fusion blaster.

I usually try to fry land raiders with MM attack bikes and then accept that they will be crushed and set up a shooting gallery to kill the terminators.

370 points can buy quite a bit of anti-armor weaponry that isn't vulnerable to Interceptor, bad reserve rolls, or deep strike accidents. Typhoons and Tornadoes seem to sound good for that.

How do you plan to run Sammael? In an AV 14/10 Land Speeder, his twin-linked assault cannons are pretty mean for anti-armor.

There is no "hand waving" or "rationalizing"--Meph has a place. Players can still use him effectively. He is a T6, 5 wound, super small character with a 2+ save that moves 12". If you are smart, he will easily be worth his points. MEQ still fear him. He is still good counter assault for shooting lists. Is he a "must take"? Absolutely not. Then again, he never was.

This is very interesting to me, as I have not found him that great against shooting armies. That said, I have been terrible with my Blood Angels in 6th Editions, so I have other issues, but I am curious how you classify "shooting lists" or how you get him close enough to assault without getting killed by powerful weapons or just weight of fire from Overwatch?

I haven't faced any truly shooty lists yet, but between the Ravenwing alphastrike and the 2+ 4++ they're usually too busy trying to kill my 2+ cover save command squad to shoot at Mephiston. I also bait with things like solo Sammael and Attack Bikes to absorb fire.

I'm thinking of returning to the Dakka Standard Land Raider to screen him off now with the Tau ignoring cover saves entirely. 4++ bubble for all my bikes is ultimately more reliable than rolling invis (I should roll something other than invisibility soon, this is getting absurd) and the Darkshroud kind of floats around not doing much.

Mephiston got pwned today by Vargard Oberon, I lost the 4++ to a Vindicare shield-breaker round in the first turn (Don't ask.)

I did get an ID wound through in the initial strike but he re-rolled it due to spectators in the challenge.

Necrons are a pain in the butt.

I didn't read the whole thread and sorry if this has been said but

@op you have scouting bikes that can take meltaguns or an attack bike with multimelta they can with scout move go 24'' and wreck most tanks that exist and all for less than 100 points

Scyrell wrote:
I didn't read the whole thread and sorry if this has been said but

@op you have scouting bikes that can take meltaguns or an attack bike with multimelta they can with scout move go 24'' and wreck most tanks that exist and all for less than 100 points

Yes, considering I play Ravenwing I am rather aware of this.

People can always place their tanks far in the back, however, drop pod melta thus mitigates this.

Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
Mephiston got pwned today by Vargard Oberon, I lost the 4++ to a Vindicare shield-breaker round in the first turn (Don't ask.)

I did get an ID wound through in the initial strike but he re-rolled it due to spectators in the challenge.

Necrons are a pain in the butt.

Ouch, that's unfortunate. Luckily Necrons don't have a lot of AP2 shooting if I remember correctly, so if Mephiston can get into combat he should do quite well.

No, they don't, but Warscythes :( It's pretty absurd how good Necrons are in assault

It was a silly three way game though, and I was fielding Deathwing for gaks and giggles, normally I'd just shoot them to death.