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 Void__Dragon wrote:


So here comes the question... How could Bjorn be interred into a Dreadnought, that is demonstratably the size of normal dreadnoughts, when he at base was as tall as it?

Simple: People interred in Dreadnaughts have no arms and legs. Take that into account and Bjorn fits perfectly. And unlike more modern Dreadnoughts, he never got disoriented by the size difference, hence why he's able to still be BS5.

Bjorn without legs would be taller than Marines with legs.

Anyway, Bjorn and all other Heresy Marines were the same size as contemporary Marines.

I know this isn't 100 percent but I think this is a great representation hope this helps. Shows the two primarchs with humans by their sides and marines in the back ground

I love that picture, can't wait for the book. Guilliman looks quite a lot broader than Sanguinius here though, whilst Sanguinius seems to be a smidgen taller.
Judging by those humans, I'd put them both ~12' tall.

One thing to keep in mind is that as people get very old, they actually get smaller. This would also likely be true of Space Marines over time.

So even if one of the Primarchs was 16' tall during his prime (that is, during the Horus Heresy), by the time of the 41st millennium it's quite possible that he would have shrunk a foot or two.

This would hold true for regular Space Marines as well. During their prime, after their service in the scouts and when they have reached full battle-brother status, they're probably what, 12' or 14'? If they survive long enough to reach the officer ranks (let's say, by the time a Space Marine gets promoted to captain, which could take a couple hundred years) he will have shrunk to 10' or 11'.

The point is, it's variable. Marines grow and shrink as their life cycle progresses. Obviously this could change significantly if we're talking about Chaos Space Marines who have touched the taint of Chaos.

 Hordini wrote:

This would hold true for regular Space Marines as well. During their prime, after their service in the scouts and when they have reached full battle-brother status, they're probably what, 12' or 14'? If they survive long enough to reach the officer ranks (let's say, by the time a Space Marine gets promoted to captain, which could take a couple hundred years) he will have shrunk to 10' or 11'.

Oh now we have shrinking marines! I last thread we got magically forever growing marines.


But they're still seven feet tall. Not 14, 12, 11 or even ten.


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 Sir Samuel Buca wrote:
I love that picture, can't wait for the book. Guilliman looks quite a lot broader than Sanguinius here though, whilst Sanguinius seems to be a smidgen taller.
Judging by those humans, I'd put them both ~12' tall.

More like ten. They're less than twice of the height of the regular humans, and those seem like hunched over old geezers. Probably not terribly tall. Not that a random artwork is a consistent or reliable measuring stick anyway.

 Crimson wrote:

 Hordini wrote:

This would hold true for regular Space Marines as well. During their prime, after their service in the scouts and when they have reached full battle-brother status, they're probably what, 12' or 14'? If they survive long enough to reach the officer ranks (let's say, by the time a Space Marine gets promoted to captain, which could take a couple hundred years) he will have shrunk to 10' or 11'.

Oh now we have shrinking marines! I last thread we got magically forever growing marines.


But they're still seven feet tall. Not 14, 12, 11 or even ten.


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 Sir Samuel Buca wrote:
I love that picture, can't wait for the book. Guilliman looks quite a lot broader than Sanguinius here though, whilst Sanguinius seems to be a smidgen taller.
Judging by those humans, I'd put them both ~12' tall.

More like ten. They're less than twice of the height of the regular humans, and those seem like hunched over old geezers. Probably not terribly tall. Not that a random artwork is a consistent or reliable measuring stick anyway.

That 'random artwork' is the cover for the upcoming HH novel 'Unremembered Empire'. Pretty sure it's done by Neil Roberts, the guy who does most, if not all, of the HH book covers, so I'd say that it is actually very reliable and extremely consistent.

I can only imagine the primarchs would be immortal.

amudkipz wrote:
I can only imagine the primarchs would be immortal.

They are immortal as far as we have seen.

 Brother Captain Alexander wrote:


They are immortal as far as we have seen.

Most of them died within few centuries from their creation or were turned into Daemons...

Well who knows, maybe Vulkan will come from planet spaceball where he found a cure for the emperor and gulliman and they band together to destroy chaos. Besides, dead doesn't mean not immortal, just not invincible, and daemons are immortal so chaos doesn't help much. Still, maybe Vulkan will come back (or die in a HH novel who knows)

 Crimson wrote:

 Hordini wrote:

This would hold true for regular Space Marines as well. During their prime, after their service in the scouts and when they have reached full battle-brother status, they're probably what, 12' or 14'? If they survive long enough to reach the officer ranks (let's say, by the time a Space Marine gets promoted to captain, which could take a couple hundred years) he will have shrunk to 10' or 11'.

Oh now we have shrinking marines! I last thread we got magically forever growing marines.


But they're still seven feet tall. Not 14, 12, 11 or even ten.

So, when offered an argument for why you might experience smaller marines, you can't abide those either, they have to be an exact size with no deviations, like Goldilocks and her porridge, not too tall and not too short but jusssst right...

 Crimson wrote:

 Sir Samuel Buca wrote:
I love that picture, can't wait for the book. Guilliman looks quite a lot broader than Sanguinius here though, whilst Sanguinius seems to be a smidgen taller.
Judging by those humans, I'd put them both ~12' tall.

More like ten. They're less than twice of the height of the regular humans, and those seem like hunched over old geezers. Probably not terribly tall. Not that a random artwork is a consistent or reliable measuring stick anyway.

Look at the back of that 'hunched up old geezer', straight as a rod, then consider the proportions of those two humans, they are themselves tall. That is a slender man. Perhaps 6.5 in total, and he only comes halfway up the primarch's upper leg. Another few feet would see him to halfway, so the primarch is around 18-20 feet tall in this image.

So, if in this image we can see these smaller primarchs at or just under 20 feet and we know Horus is one of the largest primarchs, we then place Horus in terminator armor and he towers over them. In the previous art, we saw how the Emperor was much taller than terminator Horus, whilst only wearing power armor and this makes the Emperor stand in the upper 20s at least!

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

So, if in this image we can see these smaller primarchs at or just under 20 feet and we know Horus is one of the largest primarchs, we then place Horus in terminator armor and he towers over them. In the previous art, we saw how the Emperor was much taller than terminator Horus, whilst only wearing power armor and this makes the Emperor stand in the upper 20s at least!

You cannot tell difference between 10 and 20 feet. This is why these threads are pointless. People have absolutely no fething clue about scale, proportion, or what numbers they're spewing actually mean.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Sir Samuel Buca wrote:
I love that picture, can't wait for the book. Guilliman looks quite a lot broader than Sanguinius here though, whilst Sanguinius seems to be a smidgen taller.
Judging by those humans, I'd put them both ~12' tall.

More like ten. They're less than twice of the height of the regular humans, and those seem like hunched over old geezers. Probably not terribly tall. Not that a random artwork is a consistent or reliable measuring stick anyway.

Look at the back of that 'hunched up old geezer', straight as a rod, then consider the proportions of those two humans, they are themselves tall. That is a slender man. Perhaps 6.5 in total, and he only comes halfway up the primarch's upper leg. Another few feet would see him to halfway, so the primarch is around 18-20 feet tall in this image.

So, if in this image we can see these smaller primarchs at or just under 20 feet and we know Horus is one of the largest primarchs, we then place Horus in terminator armor and he towers over them. In the previous art, we saw how the Emperor was much taller than terminator Horus, whilst only wearing power armor and this makes the Emperor stand in the upper 20s at least!

I have to disagree, the man on the left reaches the waists of the two Primarchs, and we cannot say that they are tall, when we're comparing them to beings who's size we're trying to figure out. Slender =/= tall, I am very thin and slender with narrow shoulders and the proportions of a taller man, but I'm only 5'5", nowhere near tall, from a distance, I could seem to be quite tall and thin, but up close you can quite easily see that I'm short and just wiry.

Going from that, we can only assume that they are roughly average height, with maybe a few given inches, due to the chance that they may be quite tall. Now, the average male height in the UK and US is around the 5'10" mark, so let's call these serfs 6'3" maximum. I'll give you them now quite reaching the waists, so we can factor in perhaps another 3/4' for that. From toes to waist is roughly half your height, so if we add up the numbers we have here, which are based on careful observations and insomnia fueled numbers, we can say that a Primarch is 7'ish at the waist, so that'd be ~14' for these two Primarchs, give or take a bit for armour and wings.

 Crimson wrote:

 Brother Captain Alexander wrote:


They are immortal as far as we have seen.

Most of them died within few centuries from their creation or were turned into Daemons...

According to the Index Astartes articles the last Primarch to disappear was the Khan and he disappeared in 39,000. According to the same the only Space Marines who could procreate where the White Scars.

 OverwatchCNC wrote:

According to the Index Astartes articles the last Primarch to disappear was the Khan and he disappeared in 39,000. According to the same the only Space Marines who could procreate where the White Scars.

I don't think you're correct:

IA wrote:During the Horus Heresy, when the White Scars fought on scores of different worlds and their banners indicate that the Legion helped to defend Terra and fought at the gates of the Imperial Palace.

Jaghatai Khan fought alongside his warriors for perhaps another 70 years before his eventual disappearance in a region of space close to the Maelstrom.

Crimson is the only poster in this thread that I can even read.

It's true, that is my problem and nobody asked.

anyway, being tall is really crappy. The 19-20 most prodigious people in the galaxy can probably overcome the horrible drawbacks of being nine feet tall. So I can deal with nine foot Primarchs.

Also, have you seen a nineteen foot anything? Ever? No object that tall had ever existed outside of laboratory conditions or extra solar observations. You are crazy.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
So, when offered an argument for why you might experience smaller marines, you can't abide those either, they have to be an exact size with no deviations, like Goldilocks and her porridge, not too tall and not too short but jusssst right...

You haven't provided a citation for your claim on Space Marine heights, and you never have.

Do so please.

Look at the back of that 'hunched up old geezer', straight as a rod, then consider the proportions of those two humans, they are themselves tall. That is a slender man. Perhaps 6.5 in total, and he only comes halfway up the primarch's upper leg. Another few feet would see him to halfway, so the primarch is around 18-20 feet tall in this image.

So, if in this image we can see these smaller primarchs at or just under 20 feet and we know Horus is one of the largest primarchs, we then place Horus in terminator armor and he towers over them. In the previous art, we saw how the Emperor was much taller than terminator Horus, whilst only wearing power armor and this makes the Emperor stand in the upper 20s at least!

He's up to his waist. Even assuming baselessly that those old men are 6'6", that would not bring them to twenty feet tall, not nearly.

Horus was taller and larger than the Emperor in that picture. Be real.

Can you judge the real size of the Emperor when he can change it?

 Crimson wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

So, if in this image we can see these smaller primarchs at or just under 20 feet and we know Horus is one of the largest primarchs, we then place Horus in terminator armor and he towers over them. In the previous art, we saw how the Emperor was much taller than terminator Horus, whilst only wearing power armor and this makes the Emperor stand in the upper 20s at least!

You cannot tell difference between 10 and 20 feet. This is why these threads are pointless. People have absolutely no fething clue about scale, proportion, or what numbers they're spewing actually mean.

Why are you assuming that the Human in that picture is only 6' tall?

In the year 30,000, the food they eat would be far more nutritious and people would be 7-8 feet tall, at least. Think what GNC and other health stores will learn in the coming millenia!

 kronk wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

So, if in this image we can see these smaller primarchs at or just under 20 feet and we know Horus is one of the largest primarchs, we then place Horus in terminator armor and he towers over them. In the previous art, we saw how the Emperor was much taller than terminator Horus, whilst only wearing power armor and this makes the Emperor stand in the upper 20s at least!

You cannot tell difference between 10 and 20 feet. This is why these threads are pointless. People have absolutely no fething clue about scale, proportion, or what numbers they're spewing actually mean.

Why are you assuming that the Human in that picture is only 6' tall?

In the year 30,000, the food they eat would be far more nutritious and people would be 7-8 feet tall, at least. Think what GNC and other health stores will learn in the coming millenia!

I don't think so seeing as Astartes are 7-8ft and tower over human.s


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 kronk wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

So, if in this image we can see these smaller primarchs at or just under 20 feet and we know Horus is one of the largest primarchs, we then place Horus in terminator armor and he towers over them. In the previous art, we saw how the Emperor was much taller than terminator Horus, whilst only wearing power armor and this makes the Emperor stand in the upper 20s at least!

You cannot tell difference between 10 and 20 feet. This is why these threads are pointless. People have absolutely no fething clue about scale, proportion, or what numbers they're spewing actually mean.

Why are you assuming that the Human in that picture is only 6' tall?

In the year 30,000, the food they eat would be far more nutritious and people would be 7-8 feet tall, at least. Think what GNC and other health stores will learn in the coming millenia!

I don't think so seeing as Astartes are 7-8ft and tower over humans. And why would you assume the Imperium cares enough to feed them nutritious food? They will 99% likely to die before age 25.

 Deadshot wrote:


I don't think so seeing as Astartes are 7-8ft and tower over humans. And why would you assume the Imperium cares enough to feed them nutritious food? They will 99% likely to die before age 25.

Which part of the imperium of a million million worlds are you talking about?

Every single world is different.

Also, note the cloaks and such, these are distinguished humans, perhaps nobles or leaders, likely pretty well fed folks from a line of well fed folks.

I'm going to have to disagree with with your assertions that a Space Marine is 7 foot tall. These humans appear to be around 7ft tall. They're well fed, and are obviously enjoying the fruits of the Imperium...

And they're like half the size of Sanguininus!

 Alfndrate wrote:

I'm going to have to disagree with with your assertions that a Space Marine is 7 foot tall. These humans appear to be around 7ft tall. They're well fed, and are obviously enjoying the fruits of the Imperium...

And they're like half the size of Sanguininus!

Why would you assume that these humans are seven feet tall? They might be five. Also, we've pretty much maxed on what diet can do to the human height. People who eat really healthily all their lives do not regularly grow to be seven feet tall.

Regardless, seven feet is GW studio height for Space Marines (AFAIK, FFG also goes with that.)

 Crimson wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:

I'm going to have to disagree with with your assertions that a Space Marine is 7 foot tall. These humans appear to be around 7ft tall. They're well fed, and are obviously enjoying the fruits of the Imperium...

And they're like half the size of Sanguininus!

Why would you assume that these humans are seven feet tall?

Because everything is canon and nothing is canon?

 Alfndrate wrote:



I'm going to have to disagree with with your assertions that a Space Marine is 7 foot tall. These humans appear to be around 7ft tall. They're well fed, and are obviously enjoying the fruits of the Imperium...

And they're like half the size of Sanguininus!

SMs are 7ft. C:CSM page 36.

See my photographic evidence. If SM were 7ft tall, that'd make those humans 3.5 feet tall...

I like the notion of that picture but the Primarchs seem ridiculously big in it. I know they are supposed to be big, stupid big, but that seems crazy.

If that's how big they really are, imagine how short Alpharius is compared to them, I mean, he is able to pose as an Astartes.

I don't think there is anyway that either of the two featured in the picture could pull that off.

 Alfndrate wrote:
See my photographic evidence. If SM were 7ft tall, that'd make those humans 3.5 feet tall...

No it wouldn't. Those Primarchs are bigger than regular space marines, and the normal human are clearly more than half of the height of the Primarchs. I really wouldn't start making any definite assumptions based on one piece of art, but Primarch height here seems to match quite well with the ten* feet apparently mentioned in some HH book. Marines are still seven feet, of course.

(* too much for my liking, but at least it shows some consistency in their vision.)

Alfndrate wrote:See my photographic evidence. If SM were 7ft tall, that'd make those humans 3.5 feet tall...

Granted, those are Primarchs, whose height is not set in stone and has been described as varying depending on the individual. I think one 2E source actually mentioned some of them to be "the size of an ordinary human being" whereas others were "of titanic proportions", but that's from memory so don't take my word for it.

Personally, I imagine the Primarchs to be somewhat bigger than the standard Marine (about a head or so), albeit not ridiculously so in order to still allow them to utilise the same vehicles and pass the same doors, etc.