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Opted to wait to get Calth digitally on Friday when it releases.

I, because im a huge sucker and Mike Lee was there, picked up traitors gorge. I also got the new deathwatch book. So well see how those are.

Finished Angel Exterminatus.

My god, McNiell was really ramming it home - and entirely without subtlety - with the Storm of Iron references, eh?

Disappointing novel overall, IMHO.

 Just Dave wrote:
Finished Angel Exterminatus.

My god, McNiell was really ramming it home - and entirely without subtlety - with the Storm of Iron references, eh?

Disappointing novel overall, IMHO.

Really? Damn that was one of the ones I was looking forward too. Damn it.

 Just Dave wrote:
Finished Angel Exterminatus.

My god, McNiell was really ramming it home - and entirely without subtlety - with the Storm of Iron references, eh?

Disappointing novel overall, IMHO.

Yeah, the references were overdone, but I enjoyed finally learning where Honsou came from. Hopefully McNeill returns to Honsou and makes him badass again. Didn't much care for his parts in Chapter's Due.

Speaking of Storm of Iron references, I finally started Priests of Mars and was pleasantly surprised that Guardsmen Hawke was in it.

i liked the references in both books, since Storm of Iron was an awesome novel...
McNeill's best, in my opinion...

i enjoyed the revelations in Angel Exterminatus, and Priests of Mars was a fun adventure, but then i'm a mcNeill fan...
i will definitely be reading Lords of Mars to see where the adventure goes next...

cheers
jah

I usually like inter-novel references myself, and Storm of Iron was a cracking book, but I just felt it was too much here and completely diffused the tension...


Hopefully Betrayer will be better - Know No Fear was the last HH novel I thought was particularly good, and Prospero Burns the last I thought was great.

Don't you worry about Betrayer, it does not disappoint!

McNeill tried to take a page or two from Dan by trying to connect all of his novels as well. Shoe-horning a remembrancer from the Horus Heresy into an Ultramarines novel was rather hamfisted, I think he also tried to link one of his Ultramarines to Mechanicum by name-dropping the previous Dragon guardian.

Bad, though not as hammy as his attempts at some of his last novels having really thinly veiled plot elements taken from the recent years with the Killing Ground being all about the occupation of Iraq and the one afterwards being about Abu Graib, even going as far as having piles of Tau prisoners stacked in pyramids.. SYMBOLISM!

Only 2 months to go and I can get Angel Exterminatus! 5 months for Betrayer!

And only a short wait - until January next year - for this latest anthology. I'm so excited I could ....zzzzzzzzz

 farmersboy wrote:
Only 2 months to go and I can get Angel Exterminatus! 5 months for Betrayer!

And only a short wait - until January next year - for this latest anthology. I'm so excited I could ....zzzzzzzzz

I think the word you're looking for is CHOOSE.

THere are multiple ways to get all of those right now.

You're the one making the CHOICE not to.

 cincydooley wrote:


I think the word you're looking for is CHOOSE.

THere are multiple ways to get all of those right now.

You're the one making the CHOICE not to.

Since 1990 I have been buying W40K novels in the only format available - MMPB - and I find e-books a vastly inferior method of reading a book, so what choice do I have? After all these years I'm not going to suddenly switch to buying overpriced hardbacks, and I haven't spent the last few years tracking down those hard-to-find out of print BL books to convert to e-books.

Still, what is loyalty to a brand worth these days, other than Foxtrot Alpha?

wait a bit and the MMPB will be out,

annoying yes

a disaster, not if you're prepared to wait

 farmersboy wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:


I think the word you're looking for is CHOOSE.

THere are multiple ways to get all of those right now.

You're the one making the CHOICE not to.

Since 1990 I have been buying W40K novels in the only format available - MMPB - and I find e-books a vastly inferior method of reading a book, so what choice do I have? After all these years I'm not going to suddenly switch to buying overpriced hardbacks, and I haven't spent the last few years tracking down those hard-to-find out of print BL books to convert to e-books.

Still, what is loyalty to a brand worth these days, other than Foxtrot Alpha?

You can get both books you're bitching about in Trade Paperback format right now.

Bam.

 cincydooley wrote:

 farmersboy wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:


I think the word you're looking for is CHOOSE.

THere are multiple ways to get all of those right now.

You're the one making the CHOICE not to.

Since 1990 I have been buying W40K novels in the only format available - MMPB - and I find e-books a vastly inferior method of reading a book, so what choice do I have? After all these years I'm not going to suddenly switch to buying overpriced hardbacks, and I haven't spent the last few years tracking down those hard-to-find out of print BL books to convert to e-books.

Still, what is loyalty to a brand worth these days, other than Foxtrot Alpha?

You can get both books you're bitching about in Trade Paperback format right now.

Bam.

What part of Trade Paperback did you mistake for Mass Market Paperback? Trade, the most pointless book size ever...especially when your collection is in MMPB.

So again, we fall back to it being your CHOICE not to own the book. You have 3 formats available.

What's more pointless than trade paperbacks on a shelf? A collection of Mass Market Paperbacks, the format which have their covers torn off and disposed of instead of being returned to the publisher. Mass markets are meant to be disposable. Any discerning "collector" would be ecstatic for the nicer, more shelf worthy Trade or Hardcover editions.

They are nicer and I would get them but they're more expensive....and y'know, I'm cheap.

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
They are nicer and I would get them but they're more expensive....and y'know, I'm cheap.

Exactly, I already pay too much for plastic models (which these days aint much...) I should at least be able to get a paperback book for a reasonable price

$16 dollars is pretty much the industry standard for a trade paper back.

The eBooks are cheaper than than any paperback version.

Again, choice. You CAN get them. You choose not too.

 cincydooley wrote:
So again, we fall back to it being your CHOICE not to own the book. You have 3 formats available.

What's more pointless than trade paperbacks on a shelf? A collection of Mass Market Paperbacks, the format which have their covers torn off and disposed of instead of being returned to the publisher. Mass markets are meant to be disposable. Any discerning "collector" would be ecstatic for the nicer, more shelf worthy Trade or Hardcover editions.

If they brought out the series in hardback from the start that would make perfect sense.
But they didn't.
From a collector's standpoint I can think of nothing worse than having half a series in one format, half in another. Because of that I am CHOOSING not to buy anything other than mass market paperback and BL have made the consequence of that CHOICE that I have to wait 9 months or so to get the newest HH stuff.

From a collectors standpoint I'd much rather have a collection of great looking hardcover books than a bunch of mass market paperbacks that aren't intended to be collected, but rather have their covers torn off and are then disposed of when it comes time to return them to a publisher.

No "collector" worth their salt would prefer a mass market paperback over a hardcover.

Cincy, the kind of snobbish collector you are describing wouldn't be caught dead with a shelf full of Warhammer books.

Also, have you ever been to a paperback book trade show? You obviously have some deeply-set preconceptions of what a book collector is. Maybe you should actually meet a few. Hint: collectors do not collect only those things that industry marketers want them to collect.

By your logic Cincy, the comic book industry should be partying like it's 1995. Who would buy trade paperbacks that only end up as remainders in the bargain bin when they could have a [hermetically-sealed, baggy-ridden] shelf full of original cut-away-hologram-cover comics?

 cincydooley wrote:
From a collectors standpoint I'd much rather have a collection of great looking hardcover books than a bunch of mass market paperbacks that aren't intended to be collected, but rather have their covers torn off and are then disposed of when it comes time to return them to a publisher.

No "collector" worth their salt would prefer a mass market paperback over a hardcover.

Really. For twenty-odd years the books have only existed in mass market format, so why would I suddenly change format? But hey, according to you I'm not a real collector...

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Cincy, the kind of snobbish collector you are describing wouldn't be caught dead with a shelf full of Warhammer books.

Also, have you ever been to a paperback book trade show? You obviously have some deeply-set preconceptions of what a book collector is. Maybe you should actually meet a few. Hint: collectors do not collect only those things that industry marketers want them to collect.

By your logic Cincy, the comic book industry should be partying like it's 1995. Who would buy trade paperbacks that only end up as remainders in the bargain bin when they could have a [hermetically-sealed, baggy-ridden] shelf full of original cut-away-hologram-cover comics?

There's nothing snobbish about it. Collecting things with little to no value outside your own intrinsic value is basically hoarding. Just because something is old doesn't mean it has a ton of worth. If you're book collecting it's typically to either appreciate the history/rarity or something, or to make your shelves look nice. Mass Market paperbacks don't satisfy either of those. The hardcovers do. My HH Hardcovers look just fine with my Bradbury and Gaiman first editions.

Have I been guilty of that before? Sure. I can't even begin to tell you how liberating it was to get rid of all those old, terrible looking mass markets and just get them digitally

As to comic collectors: the real collectors aren't buying trade paperbacks. A few of the nicely presented, for collectible purposes hardcovers? Sure. But not any trade paperbacks.

Ok, clearly my idea of 'collecting' here is different from yours. I don't plan on keeping these shrink wrapped on my shelf for 40 years, I just want to own all of them. Ideally I would do that in the format that will last longer but since the first 15-20 books came out in MMP only that is what I am collecting.

 jonolikespie wrote:
Ok, clearly my idea of 'collecting' here is different from yours. I don't plan on keeping these shrink wrapped on my shelf for 40 years, I just want to own all of them. Ideally I would do that in the format that will last longer but since the first 15-20 books came out in MMP only that is what I am collecting.

Personally, I was really happy they are doing a hardcover version. I was able to sell my paperbacks for about $75 bucks and was able to get the first few hardcovers they released. My shelves are quite happy. Though quite frankly, I hardly touch the hardcovers save to dust them every two weeks or so. I read nearly all my BL now digitally.

I have to be honest and say the resistance to digital books confuses me quite a bit.

At this point, I think cincy and co. have certainly made their point, and the horse is dead and gone, beaten so much that it's very existence at all is now called into question.

Moving on to News and Rumors please!

Thanks!

 farmersboy wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
From a collectors standpoint I'd much rather have a collection of great looking hardcover books than a bunch of mass market paperbacks that aren't intended to be collected, but rather have their covers torn off and are then disposed of when it comes time to return them to a publisher.

No "collector" worth their salt would prefer a mass market paperback over a hardcover.

Really. For twenty-odd years the books have only existed in mass market format, so why would I suddenly change format? But hey, according to you I'm not a real collector...

i hate to jump in on internet arguments, but this is just plain wrong, farmersboy...
all of my original GW novels from the early 90's are all trade paperback size...
my Inferno's are even slightly larger than that...
Gaunt's Ghosts, Ultramarines, and Cain have all been released in hardback first for at least 5 years...
then there are the really large format source books...

my shelves have all different sizes of books...
they all read exactly the same, as words on a page...
i've been collecting GW books since '86 or '87, and things have always been changing and evolving with GW...
to some that may be a bad thing, but to me it is just change...

i can understand complaints about price, but book size is a non-issue to me...
i just want to read the stories, and see awesome artwork...

speaking of which, Seventh Retribution is shaping up to be an interesting story...
anyone with an eReader can get it from the BL site, not just iTunes and iPad...

cheers
jah

edit: sorry Alph, i was typing while you were posting about how well flogged the deadhorse is...

 Alpharius wrote:
At this point, I think cincy and co. have certainly made their point, and the horse is dead and gone, beaten so much that it's very existence at all is now called into question.

Moving on to News and Rumors please!

Thanks!

EDIT: NVM.

 Alpharius wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
At this point, I think cincy and co. have certainly made their point, and the horse is dead and gone, beaten so much that it's very existence at all is now called into question.

Moving on to News and Rumors please!

Thanks!

LAST TIME!

Next one gets a warning.