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Amazon lists the pre-order at $46.79 (regular edition).

   
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 BrookM wrote:
£85?! £85! What the flipping feth are they thinking?!


They are thinking that people who wish to own one of only 350 Limited Edition Collector's Shiny Fab Beyond Belief versions of the book will be willing to pay £85 for it. Not this callsign. I'll make a decision when I see the retail price for the bog standard version.

Although I coughed up the cash for 2000AD's Zenith reprint without blinking so I can see that people will pay through the nose for what they want.

   
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Okay, so I knocked this one out really quickly. The pacing of the novel was pretty fantastic, and to me hit a really nice sweet spot for Abnett between Know No Fear and Prospero Burns. I also think his characterization here of, well, pretty much everyone, was spot on. Really, really enjoyed it. As usual, my reviews don't contain any plot spoilers, so you can read and get a sense of how I felt about the novel without having anything ruined.

And, as always, C&C is welcomed.

Thirsty Gamer Reviews... The Unremembered Empire

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With a saga as large and far reaching at the Horus Heresy, a tale stretching over 30 books & novellas and countless more short stories, there will inevitably come a point when the galaxy stretching stories must finally intertwine and come to a head, where narrative threads will cross over one another and perhaps even conclude. In a series that large, with so many capable authors, it really comes as no surprise that Dan Abnett was tasked with that duty in the new addition to the Black Library’s space opera, The Unremembered Empire.

In The Unremembered Empire, Abnett has created many things: a political tale about a future kingdom; a thrilling game of cat and mouse; the story of lost brotherhood. But most importantly, The Unremembered Empire serves as a nexus for all the Black Library has accomplished thusfar with the Horus Heresy, a place to breathe, gather our thoughts, and prepare for that inevitable conclusion on Terra.

Primarily a story of Macragge and Ultramarines sire Roboute Guilliman, Abnett’s narrative focuses on the aftermath of Calth and the Avenging Son’s desire not only for retribution, but also for preservation: preservation not only for his subjects in Ultramarr, but also the preservation of the Imperium at large. With so much uncertainty following the atrocities of Calth, and with the Ruinstorm severing all ties to the galaxy at large, Guilliman struggles to devise a way to maintain all that his gene-father has accomplished with the Great Crusade without wearing the same usurper crown as his erstwhile brother, the Warmaster Horus. Unwilling to make the decision alone, the unexpected arrival of his enigmatic brother Lion el’Jonson, driven by a mysterious beacon shining solely on Macragge, gives Guilliman another voice to confide in. Unbeknownst to Guilliman however, a Dark Angels secret, ferreted away in the bowels of Jonson’s flagship, will change the fate of Macragge forever.

Like nearly all of Abnett’s Horus Heresy work, The Unremembered Empire is a purposefully paced novel. Somewhere in between the pacing of Prospero Burns and Know No Fear, the narrative drives itself along at, seemingly, the perfect pace. Tense scenes, like those found in Know No Fear, abound and are taut, nerve wracking affairs. Likewise, narrative portions serving to enrich the background of Ultramarr or her occupants find themselves slower, more methodical, but no less compelling. The marriage of those two pacing styles creates an overall flow of the story that may be some of the best work Abnett has done in the series. I never felt that the story was dragging and, evidenced by the fact that I finished the book in just two sittings, the pacing drives the story forward at all times. It is by no means the breakneck speed of Know No Fear, but like I intimated previously, finds a really happy balance between that and the decidedly more methodical Prospero Burns.

As the plot itself goes, Abnett has somehow found a way to not only include bits and pieces from every Horus Heresy book he’s written since Legion; he’s also successfully taken characters nearly every other Horus Heresy author and seamlessly assimilated them into this novel. The Word Bearer Narek is a great example. A character introduced by Nick Kyme in Vulkan Lives, Kyme had created a very likable villain, but had only really scratched the surface of his motivations. Abnett brings him into The Unremembered Empire fold brilliantly, the transition from Vulkan Lives to here without fault. Part of that skill obviously goes to Abnett, but it’s really a testament to how well the Horus Heresy “brain trust” has mapped out these characters and their futures, as well as the trust they clearly have in each other to have these characters flow so well from one pen to the next.

Guilliman is, of course, the star of the novel and through Abnett’s narration we learn more about Roboute than perhaps any of the Emperor’s Sons save Horus. For a primarch whose legion prides itself so heavily on preparedness and practicum, it’s amazing to see Guilliman painted as perhaps the most vulnerable Primarch we’ve yet seen. In the novel, his emotional range is vast, and we see the clear kinship he holds both for his sons and his subjects, but what really strikes the narrative is the relationship he has with Tarasha Euten, his trusted chamberlain. Euten is, for all intents and purposes, a motherly figure for Roboute, one he takes counsel from above all others; her authority is unquestioned by even his tetrarchs. It’s really the first time in a Horus Heresy book that we’ve seen a female character hold any sway over a Primarch, and Abnett, unsurprisingly, handles it extremely well. Their relationship is comfortable, easy, and it makes the dialogues they have both endearing and impactful. That relationship, coupled with Abnett’s overall handling of Guilliman in this book and in Know No Fear, makes him easily one of the more likable characters in the entire saga. Even Guilliman’s interactions with the Space Wolves watch-pack just seem “right.” As Games Workshop’s flagship chapter, it’s been easy in the past to dislike the Ultramarines; now, I have trouble wondering how anyone could dislike a character like Guilliman.

And it isn’t just Guilliman that is likable in The Unremembered Empire; all the characters are just, simply put, well done. Faffnr Bludbroder and his pack feel like Space Wolves. Alexis Polux feels like an Imperial Fist. The Lion and his pride feel like the secretive Dark Angels they are. I hate using blanket statements, but the characterization of the novel is nearly perfect. All the pieces, the players, just fit into place.

The Unremembered Empire is a very, very good novel. It stands on its own less successfully than some of his previous work, but in this novel Dan Abnett has created a nexus where all Horus Heresy roads lead. Surprisingly, unlike most Horus Heresy offerings by Abnett, The Unremembered Empire actually answers more questions than it leaves the reader with. Sure, there’s the expected tease of things to come, the purposefully unfinished plot thread, but the novel doesn’t leave you wondering too much. It does, however, set the table– much like Guilliman’s table with 21 chairs–for the drama yet to unfold before us.

9/10 – An important, must read for any Horus Heresy fan.


 
   
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Excellent review!

   
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Thanks for the review Cincy, sounds like essential reading!

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Well I'm barrelling through Vulkan Lives right now and have been surprised by how good it is and how much I really like Vulkan.

And up next is Unremembered Empire which sounds like what I hoped it would be.

Honestly the only book I haven't been able to get through lately for the HH is Fear to Tread. God that book.....

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 Hulksmash wrote:
Well I'm barrelling through Vulkan Lives right now and have been surprised by how good it is and how much I really like Vulkan.

And up next is Unremembered Empire which sounds like what I hoped it would be.

Honestly the only book I haven't been able to get through lately for the HH is Fear to Tread. God that book.....


Yeah. It was really disappointingly average.... :(

 
   
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Thanks for the review, Cincy. You have convinced me to buy that book in TPB instead of waiting for MMPB. I guess I'd better read all the books leading up to it, though...

   
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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Thanks for the review, Cincy. You have convinced me to buy that book in TPB instead of waiting for MMPB. I guess I'd better read all the books leading up to it, though...


I don't think you need to read ALL of them, but here's the ones I think you really do to 'get' the whole book:

1. Vulkan Lives - You have to. They're directly linked
2. Know No Fear - Not as imperative, but having the knowledge from KNF really makes Unremembered even better.
3. Shadows of Treachery - Both the "Crimson Fist" and "Prince of Crows" stories from the book really help give the full picture of Unremembered.

You can honestly leave out Fear to Tread. It's only barely touched upon in the novel. Angel Exterminatus isn't related at all.

 
   
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But Angel Exterminatus is worth reading by itself, unlike Fear to Tread

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If you don't want to read Fear to Tread (I liked most of it, but it was average, I'd get this from the library if you can), just read the last few pages of fear to tread as it sets up the whole why are the Blood Angels in the Ultramar system.

And Betrayer wouldn't be bad since it's after Know No Fear but before Unremembered Empire.

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Is Vulkan Lives the only one of those that isn't already in MMPB? I think I have most of the others. I was "reading" Fear to Tread when the Reaper Kickstarter convinced me to read the Icewind Dale Trilogy instead, a decision I do not regret. Perhaps I will try to read both in parallel. After all, Fear to Tread might motivate me to finish converting my Mantic Elohi into something better.

   
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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Is Vulkan Lives the only one of those that isn't already in MMPB? I think I have most of the others. I was "reading" Fear to Tread when the Reaper Kickstarter convinced me to read the Icewind Dale Trilogy instead, a decision I do not regret. Perhaps I will try to read both in parallel. After all, Fear to Tread might motivate me to finish converting my Mantic Elohi into something better.


I think so? I know Mark of Calth (another solid read, but not necessary) isn't in MMPB yet. Betrayer just hit. and Angel Exterminatus is out as well.

Agreed about Angel Exterminatus, BTW Hulk. I really, really enjoyed the book, and as a result, Perturabo (a dude I didn't really ever have interest in before) is probably one of my favorite primarchs, and certainly my favorite traitor primarch.

A question to those of you that have read Angel Exterminatus and/or Vulkan -- Did McNeill or Kyme ever refer to the Isstvan survivor warbands as the "Shattered Legions?" Thats what Abnett calls them, and I can't help but love that name. It makes me sincerely hope that in the FW HH books they allow for a "Shattered Legions" army list that gets some kind of special rule.

 
   
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Perturabo was always one of my favorites and that book only made him more awesome. I will say that Kyme's portrayal of Vulkan was excellent as well.

And I thought Kyme mentioned the "Shattered Legions" when talking about the warband of legionaires the perpetual winds up with.

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I don't remember if it's mentioned in Angel Exterminatus, but I know that Perturabo dislikes the term traitor.

Also there is a novel coming down the pipeline called Shattered Legions, at least there is according to this: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259133-list-of-all-future-horus-heresy-releases/

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 Alfndrate wrote:
I don't remember if it's mentioned in Angel Exterminatus, but I know that Perturabo dislikes the term traitor.

Also there is a novel coming down the pipeline called Shattered Legions, at least there is according to this: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259133-list-of-all-future-horus-heresy-releases/


Nice. Agreed about Vulkan. I liked his characterization quite a bit. In all honesty, the only Primarch I've been disappointed with thusfar is Sanguinius. He's....not what he should be in Fear to Tread. I've also really enjoyed the plot threads following these Shattered Legions warbands. Seeing them work together, all their various skills, etc, has been really cool. I've enjoyed it a lot.

I get the impression from Angel that Perturabo, were he given the choice, would tell them all to feth off and go do his own thing. He clearly has no love for Fulgrim. He's definitely the "chip on the Shoulder" primarch.

EDIT: I didn't like a lot of things about Corax either. But he wasn't terribad. Just not that compelling.

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I agree on all counts, I've got 1.25 Dresden Files books to finish before I load up Vulkan Lives and Unremembered Empire onto the ole Kindle, I'm so excited for those books and the best line in the HH so far has been,
"Is there something wrong with the floor?"

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Quite enjoyed Angel Exterminatus, although there were a few head-scratching bits. Off the top of my head, we read about Perturabo's violent rages that put the guy in a dreadnought suit, but then for the rest of the story he is possibly the most balanced portrayal of a Primarch we have yet seen! Liked that we have some background/reasoning though behind him turning traitor, unlike the majority of the traitor primarchs' "GOT STABBED BY A MAGIC SWORD NOW I'M EVIL WOLOLOLOL" story arc*. Also, after the bits about the Storm Raven, where it basically comes in and kills everything before flying off into the sunset (complete with guitar solo), I was expecting a 'now available from Forgeworld for £49.99' complete with a hyperlink

Overall though enjoyed the book, definitely think Mr McNeil writes the Iron Warriors very well.

* Also, thought it was great regarding Fabius Bile being fleshed out (quite literally..), again moved a bit beyond a pantomime villain into someone who has got some serious insecurities. Yes, he makes doctor Mengele look like Doc Brown by way of comparison, but there is a reason for the way he is and what he does..

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 Pacific wrote:

* Also, thought it was great regarding Fabius Bile being fleshed out (quite literally..), again moved a bit beyond a pantomime villain into someone who has got some serious insecurities. Yes, he makes doctor Mengele look like Doc Brown by way of comparison, but there is a reason for the way he is and what he does..


Oh for sure. Fabius continues to be one of the most fascinating characters in the series. It's really crazy to see how effed up the Emps Children are becoming. They're like a carnival freak show.

 
   
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 cincydooley wrote:
 Pacific wrote:

* Also, thought it was great regarding Fabius Bile being fleshed out (quite literally..), again moved a bit beyond a pantomime villain into someone who has got some serious insecurities. Yes, he makes doctor Mengele look like Doc Brown by way of comparison, but there is a reason for the way he is and what he does..


Oh for sure. Fabius continues to be one of the most fascinating characters in the series. It's really crazy to see how effed up the Emps Children are becoming. They're like a carnival freak show.

Which is part of the reason why I've not liked them at all. It just seems like they never really got the chance to deny Chaos. Being as loyal as they were it seems like it's the hardest fall (besides Horus) from grace. And while I know it's not supposed to make me feel comfortable, it actually makes me despise them, looking at all of the other Legions we've gotten a good look at, they all turned traitor for a reason or another, Fulgrim just seems to be, "Well I'm tainted now..." Idk... Fulgrim's movtivations for turning against the Emperor seem to be completely childish. He's the only one (besides Horus, who gets a pass because magic) that turned against the Emperor for little reason. I understand that the taint of his sword plus the pure charisma that Horus oozed allowed him to be swayed, but at least the other Primarchs had reason to turn against the Emperor.

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I think Fulgrim turns for internal, rather than external reasons, a flaw in his character rather than circumstance.

He is prideful, arrogant and given to petulance, which made him ripe fruit to be corrupted.

Think of it as the same mental process that cause rich and privileged children to act out against their parents, but scaled to Primarch levels.

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 Alfndrate wrote:
 cincydooley wrote:
 Pacific wrote:

* Also, thought it was great regarding Fabius Bile being fleshed out (quite literally..), again moved a bit beyond a pantomime villain into someone who has got some serious insecurities. Yes, he makes doctor Mengele look like Doc Brown by way of comparison, but there is a reason for the way he is and what he does..


Oh for sure. Fabius continues to be one of the most fascinating characters in the series. It's really crazy to see how effed up the Emps Children are becoming. They're like a carnival freak show.

Which is part of the reason why I've not liked them at all. It just seems like they never really got the chance to deny Chaos. Being as loyal as they were it seems like it's the hardest fall (besides Horus) from grace. And while I know it's not supposed to make me feel comfortable, it actually makes me despise them, looking at all of the other Legions we've gotten a good look at, they all turned traitor for a reason or another, Fulgrim just seems to be, "Well I'm tainted now..." Idk... Fulgrim's movtivations for turning against the Emperor seem to be completely childish. He's the only one (besides Horus, who gets a pass because magic) that turned against the Emperor for little reason. I understand that the taint of his sword plus the pure charisma that Horus oozed allowed him to be swayed, but at least the other Primarchs had reason to turn against the Emperor.


I think I share the same feeling, there hasn't been any real descent into how they are now. One minute they were good guys and now they are err, well, not good guys. I don't feel this is the fault of Angel Exterminatus though, I don't think enough was made of it in Fulgrim. Fulgrims fall was made cheap by the talking sword, it would have been so much more impacting if Fulgrim had started down the road on his own accord without the possessed blades coercion.

 azreal13 wrote:

He is prideful, arrogant and given to petulance, which made him ripe fruit to be corrupted.


I would say they all had their moments, certainly the traitor ones more than the loyalists.

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 Pilau Rice wrote:
I think I share the same feeling, there hasn't been any real descent into how they are now. One minute they were good guys and now they are err, well, not good guys. I don't feel this is the fault of Angel Exterminatus though, I don't think enough was made of it in Fulgrim. Fulgrims fall was made cheap by the talking sword, it would have been so much more impacting if Fulgrim had started down the road on his own accord without the possessed blades coercion.

Agreed, though I think without the talking sword you have an almost religious epiphany on the part of Fulgrim. He walks in to the temple, sees the writing mass of Laer orgy, hears the beautiful music that had never graced his ears, and he begins to seek out this influence. Perhaps his astropaths hear the 'music of Slaanesh'/the psychic imprint of him on the Laer society and they follow it, leading to the place where Slaanesh was born (eye of terror), and as they follow the trail of Slaanesh throughout the galaxy they slow grow more and more corrupted as they realize what this is, and that there is something more than the Imperium and the Emperor and what finally pushes him over the edge is the 'song' as it were leads Fulgrim to the planet where he meets with Eldrad and at that point Eldrad senses the taint of Slaanesh on him (from his own willing downfall) and the battle ensues, after the fight an emissary of Slaanesh approaches Fulgrim with an offer from the Dark Prince and lays the offer on the table, every form of sensory perfection to him and his legion if he but only devotes himself to the Dark prince. *waves hand dismissively* But that would be too similar to Lorgar's journey laid out in First Heretic. I just feel that the levels of depravity that the Emperor's Children have fallen to doesn't account for the temptation to turn. It was a slow corruption for a huge fall and it sadly just doesn't sit right with me.

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You could pretty much leave the story as it is, minus the sword. Fulgrim believes it to be part of his conscious that has become unlocked. So why not have it like that, Chaos whispered to all the Primarchs after all, Slaanesh just whispered to Fulgrim louder. The music in the temple was what possible stirred this part of his conscious into overdrive, or so he believes, when the truth of it is it's a Daemon that planted itself in the Dark Part of his soul, bringing out his true nature.

How did they start to worship or even recognise Slaanesh as there doesn't seem to be much introduction other than Fulgrim saying go forth and be extremely merry, in as much a doity way as possible. There hasn't been that communication or incentive to be the way they are explained. A bit like Horus and the Heresy really

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I haven't seen this one in the thread yet.

Commissar by Andy Hoare

Deployed to the prison planet of Furia Penitens to quell a violent uprising, the 77th Vostroyan Firstborn regiment of the Imperial Guard find themselves in a precarious position. The rebels are in a fortified prison-hive, all but impenetrable. A disgrace suffered by their forebears haunts them. And they hate their new commissar...Can Commissar Flint bring them victory and restore their reputation, or will the 77th fail again?

   
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Is Andy Hoare the one who wrote the two Rogue Trader novels starring the Tau?

   
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Finished Unremembered Empire. My only complaint is Kurze.

Don't read if you mind spoilers!


Spoiler:
The dude has now single handledly beaten the snot out of Dorn, the Lion, Vulkan, and Gulliman. He drove off Corax in a fight too. And he managed to take on two Primarchs at the same time, one of them who is suppose to be one of the greatest actual warriors of the Primarchs. For god sakes the Lion cut his baby teeth surviving against basically chaos spawns from childhood into his teens. It kills me a litle that the authors have turned Kurze into a boogy man of the Primarch. He's crazy and the best fighter ever!

Outside of that complaint I really enjoyed it. The insights into the Lion and Gulliman were excellent. No more crap about the Lion not being loyal either! I really enjoyed the interplay between them and the teaser for who might be the first chapter master of the Crimson Fists. And it was good to see the Warsmith from Iron Within, Iron Without again. Loved that short story!

Overall a nice midpoint wrap-up for HH. I wish it had been longer and we could have seen 4 loyal primarchs together for a period. Since there won't be 4 of them together again until after the seige.

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I couldn't agree more about Kurze. It confuses me a little bit, and the only way I'm able to reconcile it is in every one of these fights, there's been a lot of other gak going or, or it's been super dark, and Kurze is able to take advantage of all of that. I'm doing that, only because when Kurze decided to take Vulkan on in an "even" fight, Vulkan kicked his teeth in, badly.

Agreed about Dantioch, too. I thought that was friggin great. Iron within, Iron without is one of my fave HH shorts, and it's nice to see that he has a greater purpose to serve. I also really liked that in the "enhanced" book we get to see a picture of his mask; makes me really understand what he looks like better.

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