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cool, just found it...
i'll wait for the whole batch to go up, and see if we get the $10 deal...
saving $8 buys me another novel...

thanks, man...

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I read Unremembered Empire, it's pretty dire. A lot worse than his last HH (Fear to Tread?), worse than the last Ravenors, and even GG (they're still bad right? Stopped reading after 5 or 6). It was good he apologised at the end, that was new. I hope we get his good stuff next time, the last =][= was fine with any luck he's moving back to that, I've a feeling that's the end of quality Abnett HH, and therefore the end for the HH series altogether for me. Is there somewhere else to write this? I don't have any more to say just wondered if this was the appropriate thread.
   
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JWBS wrote:
I read Unremembered Empire, it's pretty dire. A lot worse than his last HH (Fear to Tread?), worse than the last Ravenors, and even GG (they're still bad right? Stopped reading after 5 or 6). It was good he apologised at the end, that was new. I hope we get his good stuff next time, the last =][= was fine with any luck he's moving back to that, I've a feeling that's the end of quality Abnett HH, and therefore the end for the HH series altogether for me. Is there somewhere else to write this? I don't have any more to say just wondered if this was the appropriate thread.


Couldn't disagree with THAT more.

 
   
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I didn't think FtT was good, just a bit better than UE.
   
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 cincydooley wrote:
JWBS wrote:
I read Unremembered Empire, it's pretty dire. A lot worse than his last HH (Fear to Tread?), worse than the last Ravenors, and even GG (they're still bad right? Stopped reading after 5 or 6). It was good he apologised at the end, that was new. I hope we get his good stuff next time, the last =][= was fine with any luck he's moving back to that, I've a feeling that's the end of quality Abnett HH, and therefore the end for the HH series altogether for me. Is there somewhere else to write this? I don't have any more to say just wondered if this was the appropriate thread.


Couldn't disagree with THAT more.


Yeah that's a nice list of books that I would consider the only reasons to still care about BL.

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cincydooley wrote:
JWBS wrote:
I read Unremembered Empire, it's pretty dire. A lot worse than his last HH (Fear to Tread?), worse than the last Ravenors, and even GG (they're still bad right? Stopped reading after 5 or 6). It was good he apologised at the end, that was new. I hope we get his good stuff next time, the last =][= was fine with any luck he's moving back to that, I've a feeling that's the end of quality Abnett HH, and therefore the end for the HH series altogether for me. Is there somewhere else to write this? I don't have any more to say just wondered if this was the appropriate thread.


Couldn't disagree with THAT more.


And I couldn't agree with you more.

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You guys liked the last couple of his HH novels? Or the final Ravenor or most of the Gaunts?

I really liked the first 3 or 4 HH and many if the =][= and stand alone like Titanicus, but there have been plenty of very poor books too.
   
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I personally did not like the Ravenor series, and I feel that every Ghosts novel after Sabbat Martyr was extremely subpar. However, Know No Fear is one of my favorite HH novels. While they have a lot of great authors writing for them, Black Library is pumping out a lot more content right now, so there will be a larger number of failures corresponding to that.

   
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I'm not sure there's been a "bad" Horus Heresy book in a while. Deliverance Lost or Fear to Tread were the last two that I didn't think were very good. Betrayer, Angel Exterminatus, Vulkan Lives? All very good.

Know No Fear is fantastic. One of my top 3 in the series.


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Additionally, Fear to Tread was written by James Swallow.

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Honestly the only I've disliked in the last 5 or 6 was Fear to Tread. I couldn't bring myself to get through it at all.

But Betrayer, Angel Exterminatus, Vulkan Lives, and Unremembered Empire were all excellent.

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It was the BL weekender this weekend just gone.

There's some interesting snippets from said event, presumably some pictures of things as well eventually.

Once "Scars" -- the recently serialised White Scars book -- is "Vengeful Spirit" which swings the lens onto Horus and shows us what he's been up to.

Mr. Abnett will be touching upon the Dark Angels with "Dreadwing" and some considerable time after that ( so I'm guessing at best late 2014, maybe even 2015) he'll be doing a pre-great crusade/Unification era novel or novella.


Mr. Sanders has 3 books written and ready to be rolled out as/when.

There's more Flesh Tearer books/stories coming from Mr. Smilie, whilst Mr. Swallow will be writing more BA stuff.

There's been some discussion about perhaps Primarch origin stories, perhaps in a collection format -- like The Primarchs book.




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Oh, and given some of the things it reveals then

http://www.blacklibrary.com/warhammer-40000/pandorax.html

should be consumed at the earliest available opportunity.

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If love a Primarchs origins book!

As for Pandorax, it is highly unlikely I'll ever buy that - anyone care to spoilerize and spill the beans, please?
   
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 Alpharius wrote:
If love a Primarchs origins book!

As for Pandorax, it is highly unlikely I'll ever buy that - anyone care to spoilerize and spill the beans, please?

I'm with Alph on this one, I'd be okay is someone spoilers it for me (feel free to PM me it if you don't want it here in the thread).

What's the next HH book after Unremembered Empire?

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Just finished Unremembered Empire, I thought it was really good, perked up my interest a little bit more and even gave me a liking for Robute, totally unexpected !
I am now looking forward to the next release and upset with myself for not buying any of the LE HH stuff now.
   
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http://www.thebolthole.org/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=2927

covers Pandorax...



So, which one are you? I know you aren't my erstwhile brother because I watched him die.


Scars, the print version of the serialised story is the next book to the best of my knowledge.

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 Rayvon wrote:
Just finished Unremembered Empire, I thought it was really good, perked up my interest a little bit more and even gave me a liking for Robute, totally unexpected !
I am now looking forward to the next release and upset with myself for not buying any of the LE HH stuff now.


I'm still at MMPB rate, so not up there yet, but I know what you mean about RG, when he loses his temper in the battle towards the end of Betrayer, he instantly seemed a more interesting and complex character than all the way through Know No Fear.

At the moment he is danger of going up in my estimation even further than Lorgar did between the First Heretic and the end of Aurelian.

I guess I just like how ADB writes Primarchs!


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http://www.thebolthole.org/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=2927

covers Pandorax...



So, which one are you? I know you aren't my erstwhile brother because I watched him die.


Scars, the print version of the serialised story is the next book to the best of my knowledge.


Wow, the Epithemeus thing is dark, even by 40K standards!

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 reds8n wrote:
http://www.thebolthole.org/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=2927

covers Pandorax...



So, which one are you? I know you aren't my erstwhile brother because I watched him die.


Scars, the print version of the serialised story is the next book to the best of my knowledge.

Holy gak, that thread reveals a lot, and makes me want the book now. Well played Black Library, well played.

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 azreal13 wrote:
 Rayvon wrote:
Just finished Unremembered Empire, I thought it was really good, perked up my interest a little bit more and even gave me a liking for Robute, totally unexpected !
I am now looking forward to the next release and upset with myself for not buying any of the LE HH stuff now.


I'm still at MMPB rate, so not up there yet, but I know what you mean about RG, when he loses his temper in the battle towards the end of Betrayer, he instantly seemed a more interesting and complex character than all the way through Know No Fear.

At the moment he is danger of going up in my estimation even further than Lorgar did between the First Heretic and the end of Aurelian.

I guess I just like how ADB writes Primarchs!


Likewise.
Guilliman was so-so for me in Know No Fear; tactical genius and fatherly figure to his Marines blah blah. I read Betrayer last week, boy did that change my perception of the Papa Smurf and even the Ultramarines themselves.
   
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Yeah. Just wait till you read unremembered.

 
   
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 cincydooley wrote:
Yeah. Just wait till you read unremembered.


You digital fethers can feth off! I like my small, flimsy dead tree Heresy books and no amount of your taunting about prior knowledge is going to convince me otherwise, ya hear???!!!


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Hmm, so when is the sequel to Pariah coming out?

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Originally it was scheduled for around now/Xmas, but it's been put back until next year, early 2nd quarter I think.. not 100% on that though, sorry.


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JWBS wrote:
I read Unremembered Empire, it's pretty dire. A lot worse than his last HH (Fear to Tread?), worse than the last Ravenors, and even GG (they're still bad right? Stopped reading after 5 or 6). It was good he apologised at the end, that was new. I hope we get his good stuff next time, the last =][= was fine with any luck he's moving back to that, I've a feeling that's the end of quality Abnett HH, and therefore the end for the HH series altogether for me. Is there somewhere else to write this? I don't have any more to say just wondered if this was the appropriate thread.
I have to agree.

Unremembered Novel is so blatantly just filler material designed to sell us a book with nothing happening in it, it's shocking.

I mean, the HH series has been mostly "filler" for a while, but UE, quite literally, takes hundreds of pages to tell a novella's worth of story. Even worse, it seems like it is literally only a vehicle to give the reader base some fan service with extra primarch battles. Primarch battles have become the Japanese Anime Schoolgirl Panty Shot of the Horus Heresy series.

The problem with that? The primarch battles have no resolution, and are ridiculously cartoony. Curze has been irrevocably ruined, and he was once one of the more intriguing primarchs. Think about the battle between Horus and Sanguinius. Between Russ and Magnus. Between Guilliman and Alpharius. These were battles with consequences.

It started in Betrayer (which was another pointless filler novel better suited as a short story). Guilliman, Angron and Lorgar in an epic three way confrontation, only to have a neat little wrap up where Angron goes all daemony and Guilliman gets dragged off so that everyone can live to fight another day. Battles with no consequences, and not even any threat pf consequences are boring. These are literally only being included to give the fanboys something to titter about.

Can somebody explain a single significant event that occurred in Unremembered Novel? Because I can't remember any.
Spoiler:
Guilliman finds a new beacon. Lionel shows up, they talk. Vulkan shows up as a pile of burned bones and magically heals. Curze shows up because Lionel has allowed him to run loose on his ship... Curze, Lionel and Guilliman fight. Nobody dies. Vulkan dies, then heals (in a mattter of seconds, since his healing time seems to be exactly as long as is convenient for the story), then dies again, then heals, then dies. Then Sanguinius shows up,
and the story has moved forward exactly... nowhere.

Marneus Calgar is referred to as "one of the Imperium's greatest tacticians" and he treats the Codex like it's the War Bible. If the Codex is garbage, then how bad is everyone else?

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JWBS wrote:
I read Unremembered Empire, it's pretty dire. A lot worse than his last HH (Fear to Tread?), worse than the last Ravenors, and even GG (they're still bad right? Stopped reading after 5 or 6). It was good he apologised at the end, that was new. I hope we get his good stuff next time, the last =][= was fine with any luck he's moving back to that, I've a feeling that's the end of quality Abnett HH, and therefore the end for the HH series altogether for me. Is there somewhere else to write this? I don't have any more to say just wondered if this was the appropriate thread.
I have to agree.

Unremembered Novel is so blatantly just filler material designed to sell us a book with nothing happening in it, it's shocking.

I mean, the HH series has been mostly "filler" for a while, but UE, quite literally, takes hundreds of pages to tell a novella's worth of story. Even worse, it seems like it is literally only a vehicle to give the reader base some fan service with extra primarch battles. Primarch battles have become the Japanese Anime Schoolgirl Panty Shot of the Horus Heresy series.

The problem with that? The primarch battles have no resolution, and are ridiculously cartoony. Curze has been irrevocably ruined, and he was once one of the more intriguing primarchs. Think about the battle between Horus and Sanguinius. Between Russ and Magnus. Between Guilliman and Alpharius. These were battles with consequences.

It started in Betrayer (which was another pointless filler novel better suited as a short story). Guilliman, Angron and Lorgar in an epic three way confrontation, only to have a neat little wrap up where Angron goes all daemony and Guilliman gets dragged off so that everyone can live to fight another day. Battles with no consequences, and not even any threat pf consequences are boring. These are literally only being included to give the fanboys something to titter about.

Can somebody explain a single significant event that occurred in Unremembered Novel? Because I can't remember any.
Spoiler:
Guilliman finds a new beacon. Lionel shows up, they talk. Vulkan shows up as a pile of burned bones and magically heals. Curze shows up because Lionel has allowed him to run loose on his ship... Curze, Lionel and Guilliman fight. Nobody dies. Vulkan dies, then heals (in a mattter of seconds, since his healing time seems to be exactly as long as is convenient for the story), then dies again, then heals, then dies. Then Sanguinius shows up,
and the story has moved forward exactly... nowhere.


It's your opinion but I find it to be at odds with mine. First off did you read Vulkan Lives? Just checking as it's kinda important to Vulkan in Unremembered Empire. Oh and what I saw happen was:

Spoiler:
1. For the first time since the Heresy began Loyal Primarchs gathered to discuss the future of the Imperium. And not just any loyal primarchs, arguably the most brilliant. One is the elder brother and greatest tactician amongst the Primarchs (Johnson), One is the Heir to the Imperium by the standards of even the eldest brother (Sanguinius), and finally the greatest paper pusher and organizer of the Primarchs and one who understands ruling and not just conquering (Gulliman), and the craftsman, if he regains his sanity, who understand the normal people of the Imperium.

2. Final putting to rest of loyalties regarding Johnson.

3. Wrapped up several different plot lines including those left open in Vulkan Lives, The Iron Warrior Short story, All the DA/NL novellas, Betrayer/UM novellas, and I'm sure I'm missing some.

4. Finally a deeper look at Gulliman's psyche and to a lesser extent the Lion's.

And those are off the top of my head since it's been a few weeks and things start to blur since I've been re-reading all of Ringo's Posleen series.

That said, I hated, absolutely loathed, Curze and his portrayal in this. I've said it before in this thread that I'm just plain tired of him now. Supposedly he's not that talented of a fighter but he has now beaten the face in of Dorn, Vulkan, The Lion, and Gulliman and managed to fight off Corax. Honestly, he's apparently a friggin ninja. I wouldn't be sad if I didn't read a single thing about Curze for the rest of the HH. But outside of that godawful character I enjoyed the book. For the actual running primarch fight I was ok with it more because of the interaction of the other primarchs with each other, not the actually fighting.

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Vulkan Lives was also awful. So knowing what happened in it was like knowing you have cancer. I mean, it's probably better than not knowing, but it's still bad news.

Marneus Calgar is referred to as "one of the Imperium's greatest tacticians" and he treats the Codex like it's the War Bible. If the Codex is garbage, then how bad is everyone else?

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 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
Can somebody explain a single significant event that occurred in Unremembered Novel? Because I can't remember any.


I didn't think UN was horrific but I do agree that it felt 'insignificant' I think that's a problem HH novels will always have because as fans of 40k we know how the story ends. For me the significance of UM was that it drew a line under the utterly crap timeline BL let loose on everyone so that it can properly move on post Isstvan. I have to say I also get annoyed by these Primarch battles as they read little better than a WWE "script".
   
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One would suggest the beacon perhaps becomes quite important maybe ?

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 reds8n wrote:
One would suggest the beacon perhaps becomes quite important maybe ?

Perhaps this is my lack of knowledge, but is this beacon used elsewhere in the 40k history/timeline?

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