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Doc can take weapons from the BRB if they don't like their roll in the relevant gift category. So they get get up to a 25pt or 50pt magic weapon.

ah, i see it now.

Blendy vampire lord would kill him

In terms of Special Characters, Archaon is pretty insane.

Tyrion of the HE is also pretty insane, as the book stands right now.

I also still like Grimgor--he's not that expensive, and he can cause some serious damage.

Toe to toe, though, these Greater Daemons sound scary. Of course, that makes sense, for Greater Daemons...

Lord of change Wand of Whimsy, and what ever, granted needs a few turns of magic to up the killy, but when it does.

Do you run him solo or in a block?

Throwing this one out there, a glass cannon but, if he's thrown in with a couple of other big bosses the opponent can lose track of the bugger until he womps someone in combat and they kill him next round... (wurzag was my last victim, but anyhow)

NG warboss, light armor, shield, battle axe of the last waaaagh
5+/6+ (You get parry save for magic weapon + mundane shield right? I was under impression you didn't get the parry save if you had a magic shield)

WS 5, S 4, 4 Attacks at I5..

every round +D6 S and A. Subtract half that amount from WS.

if ya rolled a 6

10 S10 WS 2 I5 attacks. Sucks vs a lot, but has it's moments. I take it in my fun list

No you only get parry if they are both mundane

Empire General w/ FPA, barded warhorse, Runefang, shield, trickster shard. Surprisingly tough

same as above but with a Empire Grandmaster, higher weapon skill + initiative, extra attack and immune to psychology...

Brettonian Lord

Virtue of Monsterous Killing Blow
Sword of ASF
Armour of 4+ ward
horse and basic stuff

 Orlanth wrote:
Brettonian Lord

Virtue of Monsterous Killing Blow
Sword of ASF
Armour of 4+ ward
horse and basic stuff

You need the grail vow and The Grail Shield.
The armor that gives 4+ ward is 50 points, 40 for the heroic killing blow, leaving you only 10 points to buy the 25 point sword.

With grail shield and grailknight, he's 2+/4++ for 262 points.

-Matt

Vows do not count towards magic items limit.

 japehlio wrote:
same as above but with a Empire Grandmaster, higher weapon skill + initiative, extra attack and immune to psychology...

Oh yeah x) I was going budget CC...But this isn't list writing

 jonolikespie wrote:
Vows do not count towards magic items limit.

That's not what my army book says.

I still like Skulltaker a lot for low budget super killy.

3+ armor, 5+ ward, flaming, magic, KB attack and HKB in challenges. Hatred, MR2. Has a WS9 and I9 so he's generally going to go before anything not ASF.

So in a challenge he's going to reroll any misses and he basically hits everything on a 3+. That gives him AROUND a 2/3rd's chance of getting a HKB on his target. Of course they can still take ward saves.

While there are many units a lot better (only 2W) he only costs 200pts. He's got a psychological influence. Whatever characters you have listed in this thread, you're likely going to see Skulltaker and pause, even though they probably cost 2-3 times as much. Maybe even because they cost so much more.

HawaiiMatt wrote:

 jonolikespie wrote:
Vows do not count towards magic items limit.

That's not what my army book says.

Maybe it was FAQ'd....but I can't see it in there. Its the same as gifts of chaos for beastmen 100 points combined total

yes GoC count towards the 100 point limit.

DukeRustfield wrote:
I still like Skulltaker a lot for low budget super killy.

3+ armor, 5+ ward, flaming, magic, KB attack and HKB in challenges. Hatred, MR2. Has a WS9 and I9 so he's generally going to go before anything not ASF.

So in a challenge he's going to reroll any misses and he basically hits everything on a 3+. That gives him AROUND a 2/3rd's chance of getting a HKB on his target. Of course they can still take ward saves.

While there are many units a lot better (only 2W) he only costs 200pts. He's got a psychological influence. Whatever characters you have listed in this thread, you're likely going to see Skulltaker and pause, even though they probably cost 2-3 times as much. Maybe even because they cost so much more.

Actually, with how easy he is to kill with anything with ASF, I'd roll into him without a 2nd thought. If I can't do 2 wounds to a guy who effectively is only getting a 5+ ward, I need to re-think my fighting lord.
I'm more worried about the ~9 killing blow attacks from the bloodletter than only 4 from skulltaking.

FYI, I think it's just a 4+ armor save; scaly skin saves don't stack, so you take the better one.

-Matt

Most people don't take ASF on high init Lords because it's redundant. Your Vamp you posted does, your Dwarf you posted didn't. More than half the people in this thread don't have ASF. You get to a sweet spot in init and go, meh, that's fast enough. Which is true. But you still got someone who has a chance to HKB.

As for KB in general, that's one big thing that's good about MI or mounted heroes. Being just a regular infantry can be hazardous. Though being a monster is moreso.

Bloodthirsters are great they are great at killing everything and don't even need a mount! They are basically a lord on dragon all in one model. Admittedly they can be carved up by a really dedicated character but still they are a pretty terrifying prospect.

DukeRustfield wrote:
Most people don't take ASF on high init Lords because it's redundant. Your Vamp you posted does, your Dwarf you posted didn't. More than half the people in this thread don't have ASF. You get to a sweet spot in init and go, meh, that's fast enough. Which is true. But you still got someone who has a chance to HKB.

As for KB in general, that's one big thing that's good about MI or mounted heroes. Being just a regular infantry can be hazardous. Though being a monster is moreso.

I take ASF on my Vampire lord, not to go first, but to prevent better characters from re-rolling to hit me.
I've lost enough games from vampires from lucky rolls by the opponent that I'd rather do a little less damage and reduce that of my opponent.

My dwarf lord didn't have ASF, because I was thinking 7th edition where you couldn't killing blow him. In 8th, I'd rework him to have immunity to poison and killing blow (15 points).
Also, limiting opponents strength to 5, he's very unlikely to get whacked before he swings.

-Matt

DukeRustfield wrote:
I still like Skulltaker a lot for low budget super killy.

3+ armor, 5+ ward, flaming, magic, KB attack and HKB in challenges. Hatred, MR2. Has a WS9 and I9 so he's generally going to go before anything not ASF.

So in a challenge he's going to reroll any misses and he basically hits everything on a 3+. That gives him AROUND a 2/3rd's chance of getting a HKB on his target. Of course they can still take ward saves.

While there are many units a lot better (only 2W) he only costs 200pts. He's got a psychological influence. Whatever characters you have listed in this thread, you're likely going to see Skulltaker and pause, even though they probably cost 2-3 times as much. Maybe even because they cost so much more.

This is exactly what I would have said. He just goes crazy in storm of magic games.

ASF with higher init = re-roll hits which is awesome when trying to run up the score with models that typically wound on 2+.

I know the rule. But reroll isn't very awesome when you almost never miss and when you got a finite # of points to spend. If you have to choose between having higher armor or flaming or something else OR maybe 1/8th the time not attacking first...well, I don't know how valuable it is.

Nurgle Daemon prince with the 1+, 5++ is pretty scary and if hes a level 4 too the boosts he'll be getting are amazing

Tiarna Fuilteach wrote:
Nurgle Daemon prince with the 1+, 5++ is pretty scary and if hes a level 4 too the boosts he'll be getting are amazing

Nurgle Daemon princes are stupidly amazing. The ability to gain wounds and toughness for casting spells, and the ability to regain lost wounds for inflicting wounds is just silly.
If you can't kill him before he hits combat (which is pretty quick with flying) you're going to have real trouble downing him. Other than shooting him or feeding him units all game, I have no idea how to stop him.

I can tie him up with super expensive characters of my own, but that's not really a solution, at best it's a draw.

-Matt

I agree with nurgle deamon prince (for WOC) Giving him death magic, flaming breath he's both killy on range and in CC
and gotta love Soulfeeder for CC.

phatonic wrote:
I agree with nurgle deamon prince (for WOC) Giving him death magic, flaming breath he's both killy on range and in CC
and gotta love Soulfeeder for CC.

Nah, I'd totally go nurgle.
I'd be perfectly happy to have my daemon prince safely tank a unit all game and keep spitting out nurgle hexes and augments.

-Matt

Lore of nurgle every time