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In case anyone is having problems figuring out how to go from Battle Cry to Showdown or greater, the way to do it is to add the Greater package and then add -1 for the Battle Cry. Took me a little while to figure it out.

Anyway, in for Showdown.

Unfortunately that doesn't work. I tried to do -1 amount of the 15 dollar pledge and then +1 for Battle Cry and I can't get it to work. =( I'm stuck paying 140 dollars extra as it stands right now.

 TalonZahn wrote:
Pledge Manager is out and it is probably the best one I've ever seen. Cart style system, running total, and just well done.

Hopes are rising...

It's the pretty standard system from BackerKit, third party pledge manager service that exists because KS does, I've used it a couple other times on KS.

I was doing my sums on all the addons I wanted (doubling destroids, super valks and artillery, getting enough fighters to make squads, units not included in the packages) to put with my BattleCry, and it turned out that for what I wanted, I could get exactly the same for just $20 more by getting a Showdown and the addons I want not included in the package, except with double the battlepods and veritechs for -2 each of the UEDF fighters, plus spare copies of the rules, cards, dice and KS exclusive characters to sell if I want, though starting to suspect that KS exclusive tag isn't going to be all that exclusive.

Does it send you an invoice, or does it want you to check out immediately?

 Azazelx wrote:
Does it send you an invoice, or does it want you to check out immediately?

You go through a check out, give them your CC details, get a pledge confirmation in your email listing everything you pledged and added, and the CC details are held securely to be charged whenever it is they're ending the pledge manager.

Ah, like the Hell Dorado one then. I really dislike those. I'd rather have either a PayPal invoice I can pay in my own time, or an option for immediate credit card checkout/payment - being international, the prices can change a bit, and I hate having stuff that will actually go through "sometime".

 Red Comet wrote:
Unfortunately that doesn't work. I tried to do -1 amount of the 15 dollar pledge and then +1 for Battle Cry and I can't get it to work. =( I'm stuck paying 140 dollars extra as it stands right now.

Yeah it turns out it didn't work for me as well. On the first page it shows the right order and price, then when they ask for my credit card it asks for the right amount, but when I got the order confirmation it didn't remove the Battle Cry and was going to charge me for a full Showdown. I sent them an email asking what to do. In the meantime if anyone knows what to do I'd love to hear it.

 Azazelx wrote:
Ah, like the Hell Dorado one then. I really dislike those. I'd rather have either a PayPal invoice I can pay in my own time, or an option for immediate credit card checkout/payment - being international, the prices can change a bit, and I hate having stuff that will actually go through "sometime".

Sorry but deferred credit card payment only, no paypal.

Unix wrote:

 Red Comet wrote:
Unfortunately that doesn't work. I tried to do -1 amount of the 15 dollar pledge and then +1 for Battle Cry and I can't get it to work. =( I'm stuck paying 140 dollars extra as it stands right now.

Yeah it turns out it didn't work for me as well. On the first page it shows the right order and price, then when they ask for my credit card it asks for the right amount, but when I got the order confirmation it didn't remove the Battle Cry and was going to charge me for a full Showdown. I sent them an email asking what to do. In the meantime if anyone knows what to do I'd love to hear it.

I sent them an email as well. I'm still awaiting a reply. You are in a bad spot though because adding on the showdown is a lot more than adding battlecry to the rick hunter model. Hopefully they can clear this up for both of us.

As per the recent update, changing your pledge tier requires calling them directly. They include the number in the update.

Is my math wrong:

Tier: Battecry = 140 + 30 shipping = $170 + order 1 more Battlecry + 140 + no shipping charge in program (would they add $30 later?)= $310

Tier: Showdown = 260 + 50 shipping = $310

So Showdown and 2 Battlecry's ordered should cost the same.

Seems about right.

Funny how the math works out like that, I wonder if it's intentional or just a happy coincidence.

At the Reckless tier you'd see a small difference though.

BC x 4 + 30 = 590, a Reckless is just 520 + 50 for 570. Not a huge savings, but good to know it was worth snagging.

Also, once you have S&H covered, higher tiers shine a little more. Adding a Showdown outright is $130 per box, so there's some savings no matter how you cut it.

 Forar wrote:
As per the recent update, changing your pledge tier requires calling them directly. They include the number in the update.

That's an awesome plan, considering the multi-national set of backers...

~Eric

 Taarnak wrote:

 Forar wrote:
As per the recent update, changing your pledge tier requires calling them directly. They include the number in the update.

That's an awesome plan, considering the multi-national set of backers...

~Eric

It also says you can email them.

 Cyporiean wrote:

 Taarnak wrote:

 Forar wrote:
As per the recent update, changing your pledge tier requires calling them directly. They include the number in the update.

That's an awesome plan, considering the multi-national set of backers...

~Eric

It also says you can email them.

What about the backers who don't have a computer? Huh? Did they ever think of that?



So, if I'm happy without any add-ons, is there any reason for me to clicka-da-linka? Do I need to put in shipping information or anything like that?

They sent out a survey that asked for your address and phone number. Presumably you filled this out if they sent you the pledge manager link (Supposedly one required the other. Don't ask).

If all you paid for was a tier (battle cry or whatever) and you're happy with that, I can't see why it'd be an issue, but at the same time, what's the harm in firing up the PM and confirming that. Probably take like 30 seconds and you've jumped through all the hoops.

 Forar wrote:
As per the recent update, changing your pledge tier requires calling them directly. They include the number in the update.

What a great idea, only problem is, people have pledged all around the world, does that mean they will have to purchase a calling card to change their pledge

Perhaps I wasn't clear; I never said it was a good idea guys.

Don't shoot the messenger. :-P

That said, as noted above, when you run the math it isn't that big a deal for a lot of cases.

Going from 1 Battle Cry to a Showdown is the exact same amount apparently as just going for 2 Battle Crys ($310 after S&H). Showdown + BC, same. BC + Showdown might actually be a little cheaper, wonder if that'll be cleared up by the end. It seems to be more that kind of situation, or jumping to like Reckless and above that warrants more attention.

Also, as noted by Cyporiean you can email them.

I emailed them yesterday about it. Let me know if you guys get any replies soon.

Is there a close date? I recall them saying it would be up for at least a month.

 Azazelx wrote:
Is there a close date? I recall them saying it would be up for at least a month.

They've said it'll be open until at least the end of august, and may go as late as Sept 10-12th.

Help me out here folks. I'm a little leery about PB, so I only put in for the $15 pledge figuring I could upgrade later if it made sense. I haven't given the KS much thought either while it was going on or afterwards. From what we've seen/heard up to this point, is the consensus that PB is going to deliver more or less on time a product that isn't busted (insert SW reference here)? Battle Cry worth a go?

Triple9 wrote:
Help me out here folks. I'm a little leery about PB, so I only put in for the $15 pledge figuring I could upgrade later if it made sense. I haven't given the KS much thought either while it was going on or afterwards. From what we've seen/heard up to this point, is the consensus that PB is going to deliver more or less on time a product that isn't busted (insert SW reference here)? Battle Cry worth a go?

Battlecry is an excellent deal and would not be too painful if anything goes wrong.
You can never be 100% sure with ship date but the models are in the care of Ninja Div so I think that at least will work out. They have some history of getting things done well.
The rules have three people in charge of it that are old hands so I expect that to work out too.
The ONLY issue is Palladium has a proven track record of not hitting release dates BUT it looks like little is dependent on them specifically.
I expect worst case to be Easter next year, if they do as promised: before Christmas.

<<edit>> Remember that they MUST get the designs out, molds made and start pumping out models without any feedback from us.
One way or another they have to hit the ground running.
If they are waiting in ANY way for customer feedback at this point it would be foolish.

Thanks. Sounds reasonable. I do have faith in Ninja, who seem to be the main stakeholders at this point. I guess the big X factor no one knows is how much micromanagement is going on behind the scenes, but if was excessive something would have probably popped up on the rumor mill. Might as well upgrade, it's not an obscene amount of money.

Triple9 wrote:
Thanks. Sounds reasonable. I do have faith in Ninja, who seem to be the main stakeholders at this point. I guess the big X factor no one knows is how much micromanagement is going on behind the scenes, but if was excessive something would have probably popped up on the rumor mill. Might as well upgrade, it's not an obscene amount of money.

From various comments over the past few months, everything Ninja does has to be approved first by Palladium who then send it off to be approved by Harmony Gold. From the cumbersome name of the game to some of the unnecessary straight from the RPG previewed rules, Palladium definitely has a hand in the actual development of the rules (and one of their top 3 guys is co-author/developer of the rules not-surprisingly). I frankly was surprised to see it be a d6 base system instead of using the mid-1980's d20/percentile mashup that the RPGs use.

My current assumption is that they're just bulk producing thousands upon thousands of the main boxes and stuff that'll be going to retail (no worries about waste), then the non-wave one stuff will be pumped out in the final weeks before everything needs to be fired off for distribution.

I mean, a tight timetable if they actually manage to deliver on time (Dec) or their current target (end of Oct), but yeah, with all the hands this stuff has to pass through, I'm remaining skeptical until we start seeing solid updates like the Dwarven Forge guys are giving.

They replied really fast to change my pledge. It seems like they have their stuff together. This is a good sign considering I got the email only a day after I sent one to them.

My last remaining thought on this is: would they figure out a way to get wave one stuff out for normal retail before we get all the later release models and thus our kickstarter package.

The evil part of me could see it being really tempting....

<<edit>> Never mind that some enterprising kickstarter people could start selling the later release models on ebay for the general public which would compete with Paladium somewhat and their release schedule.

This kickstarter thing is really interesting from a sales point of view.

They have specifically said that they intend to send us everything at the same time, and before it goes to retail. Going back on their word on this would probably be... unwise.

btw, according to a Facebook comment, the Pledge Manager lockdown date seems to be August 31st.

40 days and counting to finalize those totals!

Also, yes, presumably people could start selling figures in advance of their release date. I'd be shocked if there weren't some people buying up extra battle cry sets to sell off, piecemeal or in their entirety. Considering the massive savings found within (I've estimated 1/4 to 1/3 retail cost) it'd be hard to have a full on loss, barring the game collapsing entirely right out the gate, but it wouldn't be without some risks. Using ebay or local listings to move hundreds of figures could be a giant pain in the butt.

Hell, pondered doing it for a while myself, but I'll likely hold onto my Showdown, as it gives me enough figures to field either side at 1100-1200 points (and I suspect most of our games will be in the 300-600 range anyway, anything bigger will probably be team games with split point totals).

I mean, we're only getting around 15-35% off MSRP for anything not in the Battlecry (or so it seems, using the numbers from during the campaign and from what they've said/comparing against the current numbers), so I doubt they're very worried about those. Assuming the BC itself is basically at cost, at that point you have some enterprising individuals basically paying them directly for some distributor level deals and then doing the legwork trying to drum up sales, which is essentially free marketing.

Considering how many figures a person can feasibly pick up just to have a rounded out set, then add in collectors and Battletech players, I think the demand will outstrip even a dedicated effort to profit on the monopoly we'll have on them to start. Anyone who could put a real dent in sales is basically paying them for the right to take that gamble.

My crew of 3 is currently in for 6 boxes and some add ons. I might boost one guy's BC up to a Showdown as a christmas present, and at 7 boxes it's tempting to just go double Reckless and see if there's any interest in the figures. Was thinking of doing that originally with part of my showdown (the second base box and some of the extras), but it'd start straining my ability to field the units I'd like to have access to, so I ignored it.

Interesting. According to the KS comments, someone is claiming that they've been told that production will be done in the US and France, unlike the assumption we'd been working with that the figures would be produced in China and sent to distributions centers from there.