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Honestly, skipping Adepticon isn't sitting right with me.

ND had a big voice there last year. If there were two events I'd do to show off the game and build hype, it'd be Gencon and Adepticon. 3 if you add the Gama trade show, 4 if you want to inexplicably add the Detroit Fan Fare they were at last year, but seriously, skipping Adepticon seems unwise from my perspective. Maybe Wayne is still recovering from Gama, but it seems so strange for it to be missed this year.

Oh well, hindsight and all, just something that's been gnawing at me.

I think PB didn't attend adepticon is so they won't get laughed at. I recall didn't PB and ND both talk a big game there last year? I think even Wayne and Jeff are realizing that there putting out subpar "miniatures".

Maybe Alex told them the models look great. Good thing he's there to keep it real. Glad to see PB isn't full of yes men.

 Cypher-xv wrote:
I think PB didn't attend adepticon is so they won't get laughed at. I recall didn't PB and ND both talk a big game there last year? I think even Wayne and Jeff are realizing that there putting out subpar "miniatures".

Maybe Alex told them the models look great. Good thing he's there to keep it real. Glad to see PB isn't full of yes men.

*Jazz Hands*

Nah, more like alex is too busy comparing stuff to teenage genitalia -_-

Skorne wrote:

 Cypher-xv wrote:
I think PB didn't attend adepticon is so they won't get laughed at. I recall didn't PB and ND both talk a big game there last year? I think even Wayne and Jeff are realizing that there putting out subpar "miniatures".

Maybe Alex told them the models look great. Good thing he's there to keep it real. Glad to see PB isn't full of yes men.

*Jazz Hands*

No, we don't even get jazz hands. More than a week after receiving the KS backers "Ten Questions", and ending their last update with a promise to answer "next week" (that being this week), and getting nothing but Kevin's "We're going into production soon! We promise!" Murmur, we get silence.

If I was a betting man, I'd put it on "Ninja Division went to Adepticon, and wouldn't answer our questions", ignoring the fact that they had the questions last Saturday and Adepticon didn't start until Thursday (so give them Wednesday as a travel day), and ignoring why Robotech Tactics chose to skip what is apparently one of the largest miniatures conventions* in the US. Even though most of the questions shouldn't have needed "consultation" to begin with.

Palladium Books, treating their fanbase like crap for over 20 years.

Morgan Vening wrote:

Skorne wrote:

 Cypher-xv wrote:
I think PB didn't attend adepticon is so they won't get laughed at. I recall didn't PB and ND both talk a big game there last year? I think even Wayne and Jeff are realizing that there putting out subpar "miniatures".

Maybe Alex told them the models look great. Good thing he's there to keep it real. Glad to see PB isn't full of yes men.

*Jazz Hands*

No, we don't even get jazz hands. More than a week after receiving the KS backers "Ten Questions", and ending their last update with a promise to answer "next week" (that being this week), and getting nothing but Kevin's "We're going into production soon! We promise!" Murmur, we get silence.

If I was a betting man, I'd put it on "Ninja Division went to Adepticon, and wouldn't answer our questions", ignoring the fact that they had the questions last Saturday and Adepticon didn't start until Thursday (so give them Wednesday as a travel day), and ignoring why Robotech Tactics chose to skip what is apparently one of the largest miniatures conventions* in the US. Even though most of the questions shouldn't have needed "consultation" to begin with.

Palladium Books, treating their fanbase like crap for over 20 years.

I believe I addressed what happened in regards to communication a page or so back.

Why would they attend Adepticon? Being that it's the year's largest miniatures event when they are clearly making "scale model game pieces" and not miniatures.

It would be like entering an ugly ass stray cat in a purebred dog show.


They need to work conventions that favor RPG crowds who lack any wargaming perspective and won't care what "mouth watering quality" they are buying and won't laugh at Palladium's products. PB can't stand the heat and backlash so they are staying out of the kitchen.






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 Cypher-xv wrote:

Maybe Alex told them the models look great. Good thing he's there to keep it real. Glad to see PB isn't full of yes men.

RPGers have known is about Palladium for years. Decades. Guess the miniatures world is finding out the hard way.

I considered backing this for all of about 2 seconds. The remembered whose name was on it, and came to my senses.

 warboss wrote:

 Cyporiean wrote:
Here is another look.

Thanks. I was basing my info on the pics that they posted and they focused their own pics on the current funding project. I stand corrected in that they're not ignoring all their previously funded project but rather just Robotech...


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 Cypher-xv wrote:
Here's some scale shots of Max with some GW models.

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Did anyone catch the moron who compared the new IG vehicle to a persons finger? What an idiot. It's much bigger than a RRT model.

Thanks for the pics; I embedded them in the spoiler tags above. So, at least using the metal con special minis (so insert disclaimer here), they're a bit taller than a terminator but have less girth to them... all in all likely the same volume as one. Also, I like your cataphracti terminator and contemptor dread... plus the deathwatch book!

Thank you and your welcome

Forar, this is my idea of jazz hands.
http://i1037.photobucket.com/albums/a457/cypherxv/d2e0f13726d086a2dcbd202e7c7039e4_zps7fae4441.jpg

I could live with the models flaws, I could live with the delays, I could even deal with their casual attitude towards us. But taken altogether along with the dishonesty? No. They have a lot to atone for before I (if ever) buy more Palladium products.

 Cypher-xv wrote:
Forar, this is my idea of jazz hands.
http://i1037.photobucket.com/albums/a457/cypherxv/d2e0f13726d086a2dcbd202e7c7039e4_zps7fae4441.jpg

Hah, well played.

127 days until Gencon. 84 days until the end of June (if we accept the "July, maybe June" revision comment as accurate), or less than 100 days until mid July.

And they're still milling molds, as far as we know (10 days since the update that said they'd have a bunch of answers to backer questions in a week).

Hopefully it's a good one, because they and we could really use some actual good news at this point.

Note: I'm not expecting it. That's still some realism/tongue in cheek pessimism for laughs in there. But it'd be a nice change of pace all the same.

They'll update and say that they're 98% done milling the molds. For 98% of the models in Wave 1.

The scale of this crash and burn is spectacular to behold!

 Forar wrote:

 Cypher-xv wrote:
Forar, this is my idea of jazz hands.
http://i1037.photobucket.com/albums/a457/cypherxv/d2e0f13726d086a2dcbd202e7c7039e4_zps7fae4441.jpg

Hah, well played.

127 days until Gencon. 84 days until the end of June (if we accept the "July, maybe June" revision comment as accurate), or less than 100 days until mid July.

And they're still milling molds, as far as we know (10 days since the update that said they'd have a bunch of answers to backer questions in a week).

Hopefully it's a good one, because they and we could really use some actual good news at this point.

Note: I'm not expecting it. That's still some realism/tongue in cheek pessimism for laughs in there. But it'd be a nice change of pace all the same.

Obviously not everything is visible, but I think that lego man has about the same number of parts as a Spartan, no?

I'm a bit disappointed.

Glad I wasn't an actual backer and decided to wait until the box was on the shelf somewhere.

It's funny. I've participated in two Kickstarters; this and AVP. Early on in AVP several people complained how horribly it was being run. I laughed. Long. Hard. I possibly peed a little it was so funny. Are there hiccups with that one? Yeah, but NOTHING even close to approaching the RRT spectacle. Less than 5 months after their KS ended they're further along and have provided a lot better communication than Palladium.

I think I've come up with a funny game for one of you fine folks that use facebook could do (I don't... dakka and my blog are as social in media as I get!)... Repost word for word that NMI Ruiz guy's posts from the Ninja Division site on Palladium. I don't have any problem with what he is asking there or even the frequency of his questions but I do think he is strangely missing asking the exact same questions to the company in charge overall of the project. For instance, he recently posted

"Jeff Nmi Ruiz Does the gorgeous lady like to play Robotech RPG Tactics?
Yesterday at 12:52pm"

so you'd copy that onto some Palladium post with a mention of a woman like the Rifter cover entry. If it is good for the goose then it is good for the gander too, right? Brownie bonus points for posting the same exact posts in various ongoing Palladium forum threads as well.

... have I told you lately that you're a genius, warboss?

Because you are.

I'd been thinking of pointing out the shenanigans on the PB forums, but this game sounds like way more fun.

Even better, just start a thread in the RRT subforum and see how many I can post there (but redirected at PB) until it gets closed and I get banned?

Not that a banning would mean much. They seem fairly toothless (in that they don't generally last very long unless one really gets out of hand), and honestly, between the KS comments and here, I already get conversations on the topic of RRT an order of magnitude better than those I find on the PB forums.

No, you haven't but thanks! Mind you.. I don't think his questions are shennanigans but I do think it is the ultimate in hypocrisy to not allow it on the Palladium site but to post it on the ND one. I might actually start checking facebook if you do that and even check out the Palladium forum daily as well! The key is to post *EXACTLY* the same thing as he posts it even if it seems a bit out of place (see the pretty lady example above). Obviously, there is a bit of a backlog since he's been doing it for a few days now but luckily palladium seems to answer questions on their facebook page more frequently than they do when you ask via Kickstarter.

The other thing is to not mention that you're doing it on either the palladium forums or the facebook page and see how long it takes non-dakkites to catch on. Don't start a thread and post them en masse but rather sprinkle them about the forum. If you get a warning for trolling, simply politely point out that you're posting the exact same thing he did (but don't say that till you actually get a red box warning). Just ignore any intervening white knights that come to the rescue along the way as well.

If you want, we can make it a team effort like the upcoming butt sticker kickstarter we're 98% done with. If you hit facebook, I'll hit up the palladium site. I don't log in for weeks at a time and have only had a single warning IIRC over the years so I'll be ok.

 warboss wrote:
No, you haven't but thanks! Mind you.. I don't think his questions are shennanigans but I do think it is the ultimate in hypocrisy to not allow it on the Palladium site but to post it on the ND one. I might actually start checking facebook if you do that and even check out the Palladium forum daily as well! The key is to post *EXACTLY* the same thing as he posts it even if it seems a bit out of place (see the pretty lady example above). Obviously, there is a bit of a backlog since he's been doing it for a few days now but luckily palladium seems to answer questions on their facebook page more frequently than they do when you ask via Kickstarter.

You might want to be careful about exactly what you cut and paste. Cause on the "The Un-Official Fans of Palladium Books page", he devolved into personal attacks onto one commentor's wife, defended that a couple of times claiming that he was provoked, finally apologized in a smug manner, and still continued to defend his actions while smugly claiming the high ground that he apologized.

Cause being the better man means waiting until someone insults you, before going after their wife. Apparently.

 Krinsath wrote:
Obviously not everything is visible, but I think that lego man has about the same number of parts as a Spartan, no?

Yes about the same. Good catch.

Maybe one of you guys could take the picture and turn it into a jazz hands meme.lol

Morgan Vening wrote:

 warboss wrote:
No, you haven't but thanks! Mind you.. I don't think his questions are shennanigans but I do think it is the ultimate in hypocrisy to not allow it on the Palladium site but to post it on the ND one. I might actually start checking facebook if you do that and even check out the Palladium forum daily as well! The key is to post *EXACTLY* the same thing as he posts it even if it seems a bit out of place (see the pretty lady example above). Obviously, there is a bit of a backlog since he's been doing it for a few days now but luckily palladium seems to answer questions on their facebook page more frequently than they do when you ask via Kickstarter.

You might want to be careful about exactly what you cut and paste. Cause on the "The Un-Official Fans of Palladium Books page", he devolved into personal attacks onto one commentor's wife, defended that a couple of times claiming that he was provoked, finally apologized in a smug manner, and still continued to defend his actions while smugly claiming the high ground that he apologized.

Cause being the better man means waiting until someone insults you, before going after their wife. Apparently.

Is there a link or some juicy quotes here? The one thing this thread needs more of is Melrose Place.

Melrose Palladium?

Oooh, this adds so many interesting aspects to the "Palladium Open House".

Bow chicka wow wow...

So one of the backers on the KS page got a conversation going with ND and this is supposedly the reply he got from them when he asked about the minis.

Soda Pop response, on 26 March:
"Hello Eric,
Thank you for contacting us here at Ninja Division. We are still working with Palladium Books to make sure all the Robotech Models are up to how they want them and to make sure their delivery is up to standard. This has been an exciting project and they are going to be top-notch models.
Please let me know how else I can help answer your questions!"

Interesting part is the words in bold

Dear Ninja Division,

Blink twice if they are threatening you, three times if they are holding your family hostage.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Is there a link or some juicy quotes here? The one thing this thread needs more of is Melrose Place.

Here's what I've seen so far from NMI.

"Does the gorgeous lady like to play Robotech RPG Tactics?"

"Will people be playing Robotech Tactics?"

"Hopefully we will have some completed ROBOTECH RPG TACTIC MINI's that grossed $1.4 million on Kickstarter"

They kiss their mother with that mouth?



Oh well. Still more entertaining than an unending torrent of postarrhea about rules we all know we won't play.

I'll play them, if it's possible.

wufai wrote:
So again, what was your reason/goal/vision when you initally backed the Robotech KS? and what has now changed your mind?

What is the problem is when the "supplier" (PB) states that the design work is pretty much done and they figure they can get it manufactured and released by December of that year a pretty clear expectation is set.

I FULLY expected knowing PB that a more reasonable goal would be April the next year so I figure "sure I can wait".

What has changed is that what few models they got done they released at a convention that would have only been possible from the kickstarter.
So they get more money and the kickstarter people get "Hey look at the progress we made!!!!".

They changed their billing for shipping part way through the backers selecting the extras they were willing to buy.
At this time it became more than just an agreement to "just" see a product we want made.

The next release goal is squarely aimed at the next convention.

Only first wave items will be released, not the entire agreed package.
Cant wait to see if they try anything for shipping the second wave of stuff.

It is easy to see the remaining product not ship out until 2015.

At this point it is easier to bail and put the onus on PB as a company that they do not get to ride on our money and pick any old date that suits them: they can have my money when they hit retail, that is a good goal to shoot for.

They can have the "Battlecry" as the down payment to see the game made but the extra stuff I committed to buying I no-longer want until it is in stores.

This is a reasonable expectation: make a product I want and you can have the money, pretty much how consumerism works.

Joyboozer wrote:
I'll play them, if it's possible.

Likewise.

My friends can be... put off by house rules, let alone house systems.

It's Palladium, I'm not expecting anything great, not necessarily even all that good, but it's something I remain cautiously optimistic about, based purely on hoping I don't have to fix their entire system from the ground up, again. Spent enough hours hashing that out and making Rifts work during my high school years, believe me, I have little interest in fixing their mistakes for years to come again. I don't want to settle either, but I'd rather it at least be playable.

Don't even say it, Mike. They hate fan made rules sets just as much, and brief critique is only a fraction of the venom they'd lob at your set.