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Korias1004 wrote:
If I were going I would go spend $500 on GW stuff (dunno if they offer discounts there or not through the various vendors), show up to PB's booth, and tell them that I just purchased all those items with the money I (hope) to get by hocking my kickstarter stuff on Ebay once I get it.

LOL, buy a bunch of crap from a company that doesn't give a damn about you to say to a different company I'm not go to buy your crap becouse you don't give a damn about me, nice. I might spend my money on good companies products to get my point across, but to each their own.

Noir wrote:

Korias1004 wrote:
If I were going I would go spend $500 on GW stuff (dunno if they offer discounts there or not through the various vendors), show up to PB's booth, and tell them that I just purchased all those items with the money I (hope) to get by hocking my kickstarter stuff on Ebay once I get it.

LOL, buy a bunch of crap from a company that doesn't give a damn about you to say to a different company I'm not go to buy your crap becouse you don't give a damn about me, nice. I might spend my money on good companies products to get my point across, but to each their own.

Gah! I agree with that statement, how do you make a point when both companies share some similar customer treatment styles?
So-far I would say Fantasy Flight has made me very happy, if only they can fix those supply meeting demand issues.
Those other two only wish had that problem for the same reasons.


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 Cypher-xv wrote:
Looking forward to the show! Remember if you visit the PB booth please tape it and ask hard questions.

Sorry I am having visions of "get that out of my face!" and covering of the camera, etc.
Or the simple "Which kickstarter client are you? Just so I can be sure your product is treated extra special...".

 Forar wrote:
Nah. If I wanted to design a game I'd be doing it already.

Spending countless hours tweaking, adjusting, making consistent and outright fixing PB games is one thing when your 20. It's another a decade and a half later. I've already got a career, don't really want a second one.

Which is why I was so happy to hear that ND were supposed to be doing a bunch of the heavy lifting. How naive I was.

LOL. I was 19 and in college when I worked on a stop-gap movement system for the Robotech RPG to handle combat involving fast-moving aircraft and Destroids at long range. Because how can you roleplay that stuff like Siembieda apparently wanted you to? It used a hex map and had turn counters, etc.

The same issues were there with The Mechanoid Invasion. At the same time I was working on the RRPG fix, I wondered if it was just me -- if I was just missing something with the basic mechanics of Palladium's system. And here all these years later I find out that I was one of many who had these issues.

 gorgon wrote:
The same issues were there with The Mechanoid Invasion. At the same time I was working on the RRPG fix, I wondered if it was just me -- if I was just missing something with the basic mechanics of Palladium's system. And here all these years later I find out that I was one of many who had these issues.

Makes me sad all the missed opportunities for collaboration of fixing the various systems of the day before internet was a glimmer in someone's eye.
I had the same issue with the Robotech RPG, got into Mechanoid on their re-release, just could not capture the idea of the speed of those things with their system.

Now there is probably a bloody app for that.

Still blows people's minds when I say "I am older than the internet!".

Now to get those darn kids off my lawn...

 Talizvar wrote:

Noir wrote:

Korias1004 wrote:
If I were going I would go spend $500 on GW stuff (dunno if they offer discounts there or not through the various vendors), show up to PB's booth, and tell them that I just purchased all those items with the money I (hope) to get by hocking my kickstarter stuff on Ebay once I get it.

LOL, buy a bunch of crap from a company that doesn't give a damn about you to say to a different company I'm not go to buy your crap becouse you don't give a damn about me, nice. I might spend my money on good companies products to get my point across, but to each their own.

Gah! I agree with that statement, how do you make a point when both companies share some similar customer treatment styles?
So-far I would say Fantasy Flight has made me very happy, if only they can fix those supply meeting demand issues.
Those other two only wish had that problem for the same reasons.


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 Cypher-xv wrote:
Looking forward to the show! Remember if you visit the PB booth please tape it and ask hard questions.

Sorry I am having visions of "get that out of my face!" and covering of the camera, etc.
Or the simple "Which kickstarter client are you? Just so I can be sure your product is treated extra special...".

Yeah that was how in felt when I called PB & once I started calling them on their BS he then asked "So which backer are you?" When I said I wasn't the backer of record but rather my friend & I shared a pledge his response (under his breath) "oh that's too bad".

Apparently they do have the metal Max/Miriya models at gencon for sale according to a VIG friend attending.

A few GenCon Pics
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B0VSNzmthd1vUmNldkt3T1h0Ylk&usp=sharing

CrittoHit Pics (lots of pics)
http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.crittohit.com%2Fevents%2Fgen-con-2014-palladium-books-day-one&h=_AQH1aGRC


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Max and Miriya from last year are there plus in one pic you can see the KS Exclusive Miriya in the corner of a display box. I did not see Khyron though. :(

Thanks! The friend of mine sent me a few texts but no pics of the event.

edit: So they had all that stuff ready to showcase but couldn't find the 15 minutes in the past 3 weeks that it would take to post pics of it in an update? Instead we get tweedle dee posing in front of empty cardboard boxes for a shot by tweedle dum as an update.

edit 2: I couldn't get the facebook link to work but found the site it references in the link below.

http://www.crittohit.com/events/gen-con-2014-palladium-books-day-one

You have to be a member to see the Facebook ones, sorry, forgot to mention that.

Google Drive should work though.
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B0VSNzmthd1vUmNldkt3T1h0Ylk&usp=sharing

What is up with the odd CP counter colors? I hope those aren't the final versions but I suspect they are.

They probably are. The Red is really orange and that purple, yuk. Just use 18m Mosaic beads. That's what I do. I have red, black, white, green, and blue. I use Blue for UEDF, Black for Malcontents and Green for Zen. I use White for guns and Red for missiles when declaring attacks. Sometimes I'll use black to represent the attacks by the Squadron leader who has better gunnery skills.

Huh, I was under the impression that the counters were going to be full colored according to their respective faction.

The painting on the veritechs and defender shown on the demo table look like total crap, is that Blue Table Painting?

It is but it is also rushed BTP work. They only got them the minis two or three weeks before the event and had them squeezed in. Normally, their turnaround is alot longer from what I've heard (I've never used them though so can't say for sure). Like everything else Palladium, this is wait... wait... rush... fail.

Not to be an idiot, but can I get this at my FLGS YET?!?

 Easy E wrote:
Not to be an idiot, but can I get this at my FLGS YET?!?

At this point, It wouldn't surprise me if you could.

Actually, I might be surprised at an LGS stocking Palladium products.

 warboss wrote:
It is but it is also rushed BTP work. They only got them the minis two or three weeks before the event and had them squeezed in. Normally, their turnaround is alot longer from what I've heard (I've never used them though so can't say for sure). Like everything else Palladium, this is wait... wait... rush... fail.

I don't think the demo pieces are painted by BTP, BTP has standards after all. The painting on the demo pieces aren't even painted with straight lines! If I was assuming I think its painted by the PB people themselves.

Those on the display case (well at least the better painted ones) would be done by BTP.

Having said that. I have yet seen another miniture game demoing their projucts with such low quality painted models.

 Easy E wrote:
Not to be an idiot, but can I get this at my FLGS YET?!?

Not being an idiot, it is probably the fastest way we will get the models.

wufai wrote:

 warboss wrote:
It is but it is also rushed BTP work. They only got them the minis two or three weeks before the event and had them squeezed in. Normally, their turnaround is alot longer from what I've heard (I've never used them though so can't say for sure). Like everything else Palladium, this is wait... wait... rush... fail.

I don't think the demo pieces are painted by BTP, BTP has standards after all. The painting on the demo pieces aren't even painted with straight lines! If I was assuming I think its painted by the PB people themselves.

Those on the display case (well at least the better painted ones) would be done by BTP.

Having said that. I have yet seen another miniture game demoing their projucts with such low quality painted models.

They look perfectly fine for demo/gaming paintjobs, no point in wasting $60~100+ per model for paintjobs on models that are going to get wrecked over the course of Gen Con.

 Cyporiean wrote:

wufai wrote:

 warboss wrote:
It is but it is also rushed BTP work. They only got them the minis two or three weeks before the event and had them squeezed in. Normally, their turnaround is alot longer from what I've heard (I've never used them though so can't say for sure). Like everything else Palladium, this is wait... wait... rush... fail.

I don't think the demo pieces are painted by BTP, BTP has standards after all. The painting on the demo pieces aren't even painted with straight lines! If I was assuming I think its painted by the PB people themselves.

Those on the display case (well at least the better painted ones) would be done by BTP.

Having said that. I have yet seen another miniture game demoing their projucts with such low quality painted models.

They look perfectly fine for demo/gaming paintjobs, no point in wasting $60~100+ per model for paintjobs on models that are going to get wrecked over the course of Gen Con.

I completely and utterly disagree. The demo miniatures should look FANTASTIC. It's just one more thing to trick your brain into approving of the game and therefore wanting to buy it. Bad looking pieces? Then it must be a bad game. It's pretty basic psychology. If it didn't work, then why use attractive people for models and actors?

wufai wrote:

 warboss wrote:
It is but it is also rushed BTP work. They only got them the minis two or three weeks before the event and had them squeezed in. Normally, their turnaround is alot longer from what I've heard (I've never used them though so can't say for sure). Like everything else Palladium, this is wait... wait... rush... fail.

I don't think the demo pieces are painted by BTP, BTP has standards after all. The painting on the demo pieces aren't even painted with straight lines! If I was assuming I think its painted by the PB people themselves.

Those on the display case (well at least the better painted ones) would be done by BTP.

Having said that. I have yet seen another miniture game demoing their projucts with such low quality painted models.

They were absolutely painted by BTP. They're in one of the "walk through the work area" progress update videos they posted a week or two ago and IIRC they even mentioned sending it to them somewhere (whether it was a KS update or a murmur or a press release I can't recall).

Are we sure they are ALL ones from BTP?
The badly painted ones look suspiciously like the original demo ones I saw at Anime North last year.

 Easy E wrote:
Not to be an idiot, but can I get this at my FLGS YET?!?

Given the delay this project has had, it isn't a stupid question. The answer is that Palladium will work night and day to make sure that you, random possible store buyer guy, will be the first to enjoy the RobotechTM minis at the expense of backers.


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 Talizvar wrote:
Are we sure they are ALL ones from BTP?
The badly painted ones look suspiciously like the original demo ones I saw at Anime North last year.

They probably are. They're not going to throw away old and outdated stuff given their history of not closing down their RPG business.

Oh my mouth was open when i saw the PB ad in the Gencon coupon book- "be one of the first to see and purchase this exciting new addition to the Robotech Game Series"
I shouldn't be surprised, but they're note even trying to hide their plan was to put the backers lowest in priority.
Anyone know the lead time for coupon book submissions?

vitae_drinker wrote:
I completely and utterly disagree. The demo miniatures should look FANTASTIC. It's just one more thing to trick your brain into approving of the game and therefore wanting to buy it. Bad looking pieces? Then it must be a bad game. It's pretty basic psychology. If it didn't work, then why use attractive people for models and actors?

You have your amazing paintjobs standing in a well lit display case, protected by acrylic or glass. You have decently painted models on the tables to get wrecked during demoing, because they will get wrecked. Demoees are terrible to miniatures, especially at Gen Con.

These are models that are going to get covered in grease/food remains, dropped, stepped on, scrapped arcoss the table, smashed by decide, crushed by hands/arms/butts... they do not last, and you should not waste money on studio level paint jobs.


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 ThaneCawdor wrote:
Anyone know the lead time for coupon book submissions?

I'd have to check my e-mails, but I think around March/April.

 Cyporiean wrote:

vitae_drinker wrote:
I completely and utterly disagree. The demo miniatures should look FANTASTIC. It's just one more thing to trick your brain into approving of the game and therefore wanting to buy it. Bad looking pieces? Then it must be a bad game. It's pretty basic psychology. If it didn't work, then why use attractive people for models and actors?

You have your amazing paintjobs standing in a well lit display case, protected by acrylic or glass. You have decently painted models on the tables to get wrecked during demoing, because they will get wrecked. Demoees are terrible to miniatures, especially at Gen Con.

These are models that are going to get covered in grease/food remains, dropped, stepped on, scrapped arcoss the table, smashed by decide, crushed by hands/arms/butts... they do not last, and you should not waste money on studio level paint jobs.


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 ThaneCawdor wrote:
Anyone know the lead time for coupon book submissions?

I'd have to check my e-mails, but I think around March/April.

You have to spend money to make money. I guess we'll just agree to disagree.

This assumes PB has money to spare.

Some of their actions and choices of late make that a suspect assumption.

Note, I'm not one of those "omg maybe they're broke and spent it all?!?!" types, just noting that they may not have been able to justify thousands of dollars to get the demo pieces done to professional levels.

 Cyporiean wrote:

vitae_drinker wrote:


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 ThaneCawdor wrote:
Anyone know the lead time for coupon book submissions?

I'd have to check my e-mails, but I think around March/April.

If you had that information it would be very interesting.

We've known they've been in the Gencon booklet for quite some time already. Considering they were down to the wire here, it wouldn't shock me if they set that up ages ago.

Remember, Wayne flat out told me in the update comments back in January that he had full faith RRT would be at Gencon.

Hell, March might've still been when they still proclaimed that backer stuff was going out in June.

Merijeek wrote:

 Cyporiean wrote:

 ThaneCawdor wrote:
Anyone know the lead time for coupon book submissions?

I'd have to check my e-mails, but I think around March/April.

If you had that information it would be very interesting.

Here is the Gen Con Marketing packet for this year, most of the deadlines were June... but you gotta get stuff in early to be able to get it at all.
http://files.gencon.com/2014.sm.sponsor.marketing.opp.book.pdf

This year the Exhibitor's hall sold out incredibly quick, normally you get still get a booth by December, this year they were completely sold out in September.


One last thing on the subject of Demo Model paintjobs VS Display Case paintjobs, here is pics from Mantic's booth:
http://www.crittohit.com/events/gen-con-2014-mantic-games-day-one

Tabletop Quality & Unpainted models on the table, high end paint jobs behind the glass.