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Oh great I missed it.

 Cypher-xv wrote:
Oh great I missed it.

Me too :(

I was hoping you'd quoted it in time.

 Eldarain wrote:

 Cypher-xv wrote:
Oh great I missed it.

Me too :(

I was hoping you'd quoted it in time.

Didn't anybody screen save it.lol

This about sums up the whole KS for me.








Also, this may have slipped past people but anyone notice how large the Palladium booth is vs the amount of product space they actually use? (or vs the booth space that other vendors are using) it's 2-3 times larger then what they needed which would have been fitting if they had RRT product to stock and move, not a 100-200 copies as we were told, but *palettes worth* the booth size pretty clearly indicates at just how much RRT stuff they really planned on unloading at gen con.

take a gander at the Gen Con Layout: http://images.gencon.com/GenCon2014-ExhibitHallmapwithlinks.pdf

Booth size was about the same as ND's and ND was promoting far more games and included demo space for each of their games (which eats up lots of room) While it's not shown on the map upper right corner of ND's space was actually the Games and Gears stuff. Palladium has a monsterous booth and there's enough empty space in there that you could set up a camping tent and have spare room for a campfire surrounded with chairs. (It's roughly the size of 8-10 of the basic vendor spots) Considering you are paying by the square foot and that Palladium prefers the cheapest route possible I doubt they'd spring for that much extra elbow room, unless it was reserved for lots and lots of inventory.

Based on the booth it looks like they planned on having tons of stock in place and the 100-200 copies was completely BS.

That's also gotta sting. The booths my crew rents for local conventions are expensive enough. Did a double sized booth at fan expo last year and it was spicy. From what we saw on the map, I'm sure that set them back a good amount of cash.

On Palladium booth space: Gen Con sold out by September for this year, which at the time they still thought they'd be done shipping by now.

They could have tried to sublet some space (I would have taken some), but that would take them realizing they have no chance of getting product in time a few months ago.

 stanman wrote:
Also, this may have slipped past people but anyone notice how large the Palladium booth is vs the amount of product space they actually use? (or vs the booth space that other vendors are using) it's 2-3 times larger then what they needed which would have been fitting if they had RRT product to stock and move, not a 100-200 copies as we were told, but *palettes worth* the booth size pretty clearly indicates at just how much RRT stuff they really planned on unloading at gen con.

take a gander at the Gen Con Layout: http://images.gencon.com/GenCon2014-ExhibitHallmapwithlinks.pdf

Booth size was about the same as ND's and ND was promoting far more games and included demo space for each of their games (which eats up lots of room) While it's not shown on the map upper right corner of ND's space was actually the Games and Gears stuff. Palladium has a monsterous booth and there's enough empty space in there that you could set up a camping tent and have spare room for a campfire surrounded with chairs. (It's roughly the size of 8-10 of the basic vendor spots) Considering you are paying by the square foot and that Palladium prefers the cheapest route possible I doubt they'd spring for that much extra elbow room, unless it was reserved for lots and lots of inventory.

Based on the booth it looks like they planned on having tons of stock in place and the 100-200 copies was completely BS.

Actually, based on last year, it seems to be about the same. Last year had the same "This booth seems way too big based on what they've got to offer.". I remember last year, it was the couple of demo tables for RRT, the RPG section which was at best a quarter of the area, and a large area of empty space with a couple of chairs, cordoned off by tables with some merchandising on it. Definitely felt weirdly wasteful last year too.

For something that size, it definitely doesn't stand out though. Thursday I walked right past it twice, then on the third time actually noticed. Yesterday was similar, even knowing it was there, I walked right past it,and only realized when my friend pointed it out. Granted, I wasn't seeking it out (I'm pretty much done with the game), but it should have had some kind of visual impact, and it didn't.

The Ninja Pop booth on the other hand, you couldn't help but notice. Instead of the single 8' tall RRT banner PB had, ND's booth was significantly taller, with a hanging spinner banner above it. Noticed it from several aisles away. I'll see about getting some pictures for comparison.

 Cyporiean wrote:
On Palladium booth space: Gen Con sold out by September for this year, which at the time they still thought they'd be done shipping by now.

They could have tried to sublet some space (I would have taken some), but that would take them realizing they have no chance of getting product in time a few months ago.

Well they did sublet at least one table, no idea what the game or company was although it looked like some fantasy miniatures thing but largely ignored it as I was looking at the robotech stuff. They also had a separate table for Palladium's card stock rpg character cut outs. So there was quite a bit in there acting as space filler and it still seemed pretty empty given the overall costs of the booths.

If they had to book that far back they had some pretty high hopes, and the shipment running late had to have stung the wallet badly. Although I don't see the ship as being the sole factor as the entire KS process has been a non-stop series of mishaps and delays largely stemming from poor planning.

Can you take some scale shots of the Robotech minis next to other common minis like a space marine, Morgan? Palladium apparently can't be bothered to do stuff like update backers with the contents in the past few weeks.

Yes, that would be the photo that desperately needs updating to show the DIFFERENT plastics.

I'd imagine they had to book the space back when they expected everything would go smooth and fast, so they'd have already fulfilled all backers and thus be able to sell huge stacks of the game,

the 'we'll sell 200 copies if that's ok with you' business is far to recent to have allowed them to book so much gencon table space

Booking space for product that has any chance whatsoever of not arriving is foolish. I have no sympathy for it. You make bookings when you definitely positively are going to have the product.

winterdyne wrote:
Booking space for product that has any chance whatsoever of not arriving is foolish. I have no sympathy for it. You make bookings when you definitely positively are going to have the product.

In their "defense", it wasn't impossible back apparently last September when they booked it. If they had been competent instead of a 50/50 mix of ignorant and arrogant, they'd have made it easily along with keeping one of only a few promises they had remaining unbroken.

Given what I know about model development and release marketing (via mantic etc), no, they had no guarantees whatsoever.

winterdyne wrote:
Booking space for product that has any chance whatsoever of not arriving is foolish. I have no sympathy for it. You make bookings when you definitely positively are going to have the product.

So it seems like an even better reason not to have the models in the mini's room.

Easier to make a non-decision of having the same space in the same room as last year.

Yep, that's what I would have done. Especially if I were unsure about what I'd be getting. This said, there'd have been nothing wrong with showing well painted resin cast prototypes.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/126258081@N08/sets/72157646540359845/

Personally, I don't think those metal Paulson pods look as good as even the gappy plastics. The comparison shot actually makes me happier to be getting these meh plastics than I have been since the first disappointing photos came out of PB.

I'm surprised to hear that. The Paulson pods certainly have detail the official ones are missing, such as the vents on the front of the leg, and the small recessed panels on the main front plate.

I'm pretty sure that's called sarcasm -_-

From Bad Syntax's folder... The edits below correspond to the success pic attachments as I'm commenting as I go through the gallery.

That knee doesn't fill me with QA hope considering it is one of the only 4 dozen showcase figs and I'm only 10 pics into the gallery so far.

edit 1: And the very next pic has a similar issue with knee bubbles although in a slightly different spot (and now both legs).

edit 2: It appears BTP painted it up as battle damage as it happened on the painted minis as well?

edit 3: Is the discolored crud green stuff putty covering more defects on the back of the excaliber? Sorry but I'm more familiar with the old names this early in the morning.

edit 4: Looks like the Spartan (phalanx?) has the same bubbles although less pronounced. It seems like it will be a CONSTANT issue for destroids.

edit 5: Yup, it's on the sprues as well if you closely zoom in. You can see an irregularity on the legs as you follow the outside border of the pieces on the sprues. Look at the leg piece closest to the command bit on the sprue.


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On a positive note though, I assume Mike Arnold is Mike Morpheus and he is the first listed playtester! Yay alphabetical listings!

 stanman wrote:
This about sums up the whole KS for me.

You thought you were getting prepainted miniatures or something?



While the one on the left is funny - especially since it's being compared to what was one of the PB staffer's personal minis (just saw that posted on the fb group), the one on the right is what's been flittering through my imagination since the KS was running. Minis that look like their cel-art counterpart.



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 warboss wrote:
From Bad Syntax's folder... The edits below correspond to the success pic attachments as I'm commenting as I go through the gallery.

That knee doesn't fill me with QA hope considering it is one of the only 4 dozen showcase figs and I'm only 10 pics into the gallery so far.

edit 1: And the very next pic has a similar issue with knee bubbles although in a slightly different spot (and now both legs).

edit 2: It appears BTP painted it up as battle damage as it happened on the painted minis as well?

edit 3: Is the discolored crud green stuff putty covering more defects on the back of the excaliber? Sorry but I'm more familiar with the old names this early in the morning.

edit 4: Looks like the Spartan (phalanx?) has the same bubbles although less pronounced. It seems like it will be a CONSTANT issue for destroids.

edit 5: Yup, it's on the sprues as well if you closely zoom in. You can see an irregularity on the legs as you follow the outside border of the pieces on the sprues. Look at the leg piece closest to the command bit on the sprue.

Those are lights. The Tomahak, Defender, and Phalanx, since they share a common log motive module, all have lights in their knees. Now, the casting looks quite bad and that makes me unhappy, but those are supposed to be there.

Mike1975 wrote:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/126258081@N08/sets/72157646540359845/

Hey Mike, I would appreciate it if you would give me credit whenever you link to my pics and galleries. Thanks!

Chuck

 judgedoug wrote:


Those are lights. The Tomahak, Defender, and Phalanx, since they share a common log motive module, all have lights in their knees. Now, the casting looks quite bad and that makes me unhappy, but those are supposed to be there.

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 judgedoug wrote:

 stanman wrote:
This about sums up the whole KS for me.

You thought you were getting prepainted miniatures or something?

No I was expecting "mouth watering detail" not sprues full of plastic swiss cheese and soft details. I'd also explained on FB that it goes far beyond that, it's a representation of all the things that have been so wrong with this kickstarter. So much of it has felt like a bait and switch, Ninja Division will be running things, but switching to full on Palladium derp as soon as funding closes. We'll have regular communication, which has been anything but. Spartan gate. Expected delivery dates that keep sliding "because they demand quality", except when they suddenly need to rush everything for gencon. The Zentraedi mechs are ok, but the Valkyries being the most iconic of the mech for the series look like garbage and the destroids aren't all that much better.

The last year and a half has been nothing but Bait® and Switch Tactics™ as far as I'm concerned and I will never support another robotech or palladium product again.

winterdyne wrote:
I'm surprised to hear that. The Paulson pods certainly have detail the official ones are missing, such as the vents on the front of the leg, and the small recessed panels on the main front plate.

The Paulson ones just look wrong. They have a chunky "definitely a metal mini" look to them, and their proportions or textures make them look sculpted as opposed to manufactured. Perhaps it's just the overly weathered and paint-chipped paint job, but the pods have a strong "clay" texture that just ruins them for me. Plus, they will be harder to pose, convert and paint than the plastics will be, even despite PB's incompetence.

I guess the missing details don't bother me that much. I'm not so wedded to the source material that it will distract me. I like the idea of mecha more than the specific name brand. Then again, I'm excited for Bones CAV minis, so I'm clearly not in the same demographic as Paulson's biggest fans.

The ones I did were all resin casts, the original master model was handsculpted so maybe that's what you're picking up on, could also be the paint texture.

Everyone has their own individual tastes for sculpting styles, so I don't mind the comment

One of the lines I'm continually baffled by is Kingdom of Death, very good sculpts in a technical sense, but I'm continually left scratching my head as to what the appeal is as the game just isn't in my interest range.

Does anyone find it weird, that in all the posts regarding GenCon, RRT is not mentioned once on ND's Facebook?