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I don't think PB will get wave two out any time soon. PB will probably try to rush wave two in time for GC and once again quality will suffer (see the vf-1). Or because it's more models it may not be ready for even longer. PB may even go as far as creating a wave three.

I would suspect the next wave, whatever form that may take, speed of release would be proportionate to retail sales.

I bet if they see a good initial surge and then start seeing it decline, they will be in a rush for new stuff.

I could see PB not focusing much on new production until they got what money they could out of old. Plus no-one could make any new stuff since they will be strapped for resources having everyone in shipping! Wonder if they will ever think of hiring a few people for this specifically... Nah...

<edit> Worst case is the game is a dud at retail, then they will drag their tail all over the place and claim poor, etc...

If the game is a dud, I expect there to be no wave 2. I expect Kevin and his countless apologisers to come out and say oh we couldn't do wave 2 cause reasons but you all received what you were supposed to receive before SGs so mission accomplished. Then when people get mad, Kevin will act befuddled as if he can NOT possible comprehend why people are acting this way.

Sining wrote:
If the game is a dud, I expect there to be no wave 2. I expect Kevin and his countless apologisers to come out and say oh we couldn't do wave 2 cause reasons but you all received what you were supposed to receive before SGs so mission accomplished. Then when people get mad, Kevin will act befuddled as if he can NOT possible comprehend why people are acting this way.

Except Rick Hunter...... he got pushed to wave 2. That exclusive was offered from the onset of the project. No wave 2, no Rick, no cop-out.
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P.S. I don't actually think this will happen just commenting on how they wouldn't be able to just say "People got what they were initially supposed to."

If they don't deliver wave 2 it will be the end of Palladium Books.

There will be a wave 2.

Should I have received my wave 1 yet? I haven't heard anything from them at all.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Should I have received my wave 1 yet? I haven't heard anything from them at all.

No, not necessarily. Assuming you ordered a Battle Cry, they've only mailed out roughly 1/3 of them. If you got a showdown or larger tier, they haven't started on them yet.

When I looked at the wave 2 order from it looked like several of them were icky brown plastic like the rest of the RDF and the rest were the placeholder images they used in the KS.

But it was Saturday and I was excited about the project, but not to worry, like bad chinese food, it has passed. I'm ready to jump back on to the band wagon of hate.

 Forar wrote:
At a friend's recommendation, I snagged two packs of these.

With the added benefit that by magnetizing other Fighters, I can use the same 16 stands for my Gnerls, FPA, Super VTs in Fighter mode, VEF-1's, etc.

Maybe even some 'leaping' battlepods, but I might just adhere them to their base and call it a day. Really just didn't want to use those opaque stands that come with the models for the flying figures.

Wow, awesome! That's exactly what I was looking for, as I dislike the included flight stands. Thanks for the link!



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 Forar wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Should I have received my wave 1 yet? I haven't heard anything from them at all.

No, not necessarily. Assuming you ordered a Battle Cry, they've only mailed out roughly 1/3 of them. If you got a showdown or larger tier, they haven't started on them yet.

Several Showdowns have shipped, at least that's the impression I got from the Robotech facebook group.

 Desert Lurker wrote:
But it was Saturday and I was excited about the project, but not to worry, like bad chinese food, it has passed. I'm ready to jump back on to the band wagon of hate.

To be fair, it's less a "bandwagon of hate" and more a matter of "we're not falling for it again". We believed what they said last time until it was proven to be inaccurate. Now they need to cough up some evidence before some of us will believe they're actually making progress.

 judgedoug wrote:
Wow, awesome! That's exactly what I was looking for, as I dislike the included flight stands. Thanks for the link!

A shoutout to Morgan for linking them to me in the first place. $30 Canadian for 16 stands seemed spicy, but it seemed prudent for transportation and the ability to minimize how many stands I need to worry about, especially since I hate the included opaque ones. Magnetizing the flying models will probably be a PITA (as an amateur modeler), but I'm sure it'll be a smooth process after I get a squad or two done.

Several Showdowns have shipped, at least that's the impression I got from the Robotech facebook group.

I'm not a part of Mike's group (the last time I was, I found it full of obnoxious sorts that I can't be bothered to weed through), but from the comments I've seen 1 Showdown ship (Mike's SD+BC) and one Reckless reportedly ship. If there are others, I haven't seen them speak up on the forums/comments sections I usually troll (in all meanings of the word).

But PB themselves have said that SD's aren't shipping yet, so presumably what few went out were specially sent, accidents, tests, whatever. Point being, until they wrap up the BC's, I wouldn't hold my breath for SD's to start getting notifications en masse.

Considering PB needs nearly as many BC's to fulfill Showdown backer allotment as they did the BC'ers themselves (~3,000 BCs to roughly 2,600 for SD's), I imagine they aren't remotely an option to do in bulk until another container gets to them, which is... someday. They said 4 was supposed to get on its way "early this week" and 3 is still waiting on a truck or something, so it seems unlikely that bulk shipping will get much further until later this week or early next week.

A volunteer popped up in the comments and said there's a bunch of boxes ready to go out today, but they're down to roughly 2 pallets of materials for shipping, so... yeah. Containers need to arrive.

They've said in previous updates/newsletters/somethings that a container accounts for roughly 2,000 boxes (BCs?), meaning they may need #3 just to cover the BCs and #4 to get the SDs (give or take a little, since they're not shipping to international backers). If we're lucky, #3/4 will cover US BCs, SDs and RLs, but I fear that means #5 might be necessary to really get into International orders.

Depending on that breakdown, hell, they might need #6 to get in to get as high as my order, which... whelp, that sure is a thing.

well nothing left of container 3 and several BC backers waiting for product.

Asterios wrote:
well nothing left of container 3 and several BC backers waiting for product.

You mean container #2, #3 is still stuck in port for unknown reasons.

Painted Pic

Those look great - nicely done!

%&*@#$!!!!
No models to paint yet for me to show off...
The paint pots give another good idea of scale.

PB could have avoided a lot of pain getting the demo models painted to this standard.

Nice job Mike!

Those do look great Mike.

Credit where credit is due, those do look pretty nice.

Hell of a lot better than I'll be doing, that's for sure.

Edit: wait, did you do those, or someone else?

 Mike1975 wrote:

Asterios wrote:
well nothing left of container 3 and several BC backers waiting for product.

You mean container #2, #3 is still stuck in port for unknown reasons.

you mean containers 3 and 4 or is it 4 and 5, bah who knows what containers are where anymore , by the way nice painting.

They talked about this in the second last update.

1 & 2 are on hand.

3 is stuck waiting for a truck chassis or something at the port.

4 is supposed to go on a train 'early next (read: this) week'.

I believe 5 & 6 are at sea.

How running out of materials to ship for up to a week (depending on how long 3 and/or 4 take to get to the warehouse and be prepped) will affect that delivery timeline, I don't know.

Sining wrote:
If the game is a dud, I expect there to be no wave 2. I expect Kevin and his countless apologisers to come out and say oh we couldn't do wave 2 cause reasons but you all received what you were supposed to receive before SGs so mission accomplished. Then when people get mad, Kevin will act befuddled as if he can NOT possible comprehend why people are acting this way.

Except not all of us backed at levels that get you the boxed game so no Wave 2+ means we don't get what we pledged for.

Personally, yes, I went halfsies on a buddy's Showdown, but my actual pledge was much less and exists purely so I could get the SDF-1 without relying on going through someone.

That Veritech Valkyrie is done by someone in the Robotech Tactics Southern California group IIRC

From now on Mike's posts get a [Clarification Needed] tag.

:-P

 Forar wrote:
From now on Mike's posts get a [Clarification Needed] tag.
:-P

Agreed, usually some preamble of "not my work but this person's..." is in order.
I figured he was fanboy enough he got into it frothing at the mouth (not drooling as PB would have us) so did not question this much.
We will keep an eye on this one...

 Talizvar wrote:

 Forar wrote:
From now on Mike's posts get a [Clarification Needed] tag.
:-P

Agreed, usually some preamble of "not my work but this person's..." is in order.
I figured he was fanboy enough he got into it frothing at the mouth (not drooling as PB would have us) so did not question this much.
We will keep an eye on this one...

Normally I'd have some put together and painted by now, and nowhere near as good as that pic. I've had too many work projects put on my plate plus school to have time to paint. Besides, you can't paint in the office and pretend you are doing something else.

I did get 3 BC's, decided 2 was more than enough, and someone offered to paint it all plus my add-ons for the price of one of my 3 Battlecries. So some of my order and his stuff is boxed and is ready to ship out today.

A buck a model for assembly and painting is a hell of a deal.

(2 BCs x wave one = 140 models).

Even at full MSRP, that's only a couple bucks per model. Not bad, even at an average (ie: not 'omg pro display' level, but good all the same).

I thought so. Plus I'll never honestly use all 3 BC's.....and if I'm playing against another player with his own minis even less.

use? what does use have to do with it?

I have more Space marines that I can use. Tactical marines even more so that doesn't stop me from buying more (Admittedly the were Space Pups not generics).

Mine! MINE!! I tell ya!

At Showdown I still have the feeling I dont have enough.

Well, ends up depending on how big a game you want to play.

Off hand, you can't have more than 14 VT's in a 300 point (standard) game, so a SD gives you 18 (plus 2 ricks and 2 roys eventually), which is plenty.

But for a 600 point game, yeah, that could fall a little short depending on what you want to run.

Obviously that'll shift based on units chosen. I mean, if you have a white hot burning desire to run a full Ghost or Lancer or Gnerl force, yeah, you've got a ways to collect still.

Not having enough is everyone problem

I figure I go three Veritech squadron

Command Detachment (3 Aircraft)
Squad One (6 Aircraft, each divisible into a 3 plane Fire Team)
Squad Two (6 Aircraft, each divisible into a 3 plane Fire Team)
X 3

So total of 45 Veritechs

As for ground units I'm going by typical Battletech unit composition

12 Mechs a company with a Command lance Figure I go BN of 48 Mechs

Going to apply the same to armor units to as soon as I find my conversion sheet. Going to base those off US Military unit composition.

As for the Zentreadi I'm going to match unit by unit.

I am going to try to use Clan Elementals for the bike units eventually lol


From what I understand this is going to be fast pace, fast killing, massive amount of missiles and weapon fire, and trap firing units. I rather have a game last a couple hours with multiple objectives (actual objectives one would try to defend or destroy to deny the enemy. Example be "Protoculture Fuel Storage" sites)

Edit

Crap....one of my office building is Wells Fargo....it shall be a free fire zone on that block