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Morgan Vening wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
Oh, look:

https://palladium-store.com/1001/category/Robotech-RPG-Tactics.html

"Robotech® products are available in the U.S., Canada, the European Union, Australia and New Zealand only."

...well, so much for "not released in your region", then.

I've gotta assume that's specifically for Webstore purchases, and they may hold back packages to those areas until it's unlikely a direct mail will beat backer copies (though given PB's track record of incompetence I wouldn't count on it). Even so, it's another case of PB being completely tone-deaf to criticism.

If i had to guess its probably due to the terms of HGs license, particularly the lack of Asian markets

I wonder if it isn't that Wave 1 is out there to retail because they quite simply probably burned through all the KS cash on wave 1 and need the $$$s quite badly at this point and are hoping the sales make enough to get Wave 2 going.

That's been postulated a number of times in the last year and a half.

We won't know for months or even years to come. If the game sells well and jumpstarts their finances, we may never know. If it sells poorly and wave two takes suspiciously long to get to molds/production, I guess we'll have our answer.

 Forar wrote:
If it sells poorly and wave two takes suspiciously long to get to molds/production, I guess we'll have our answer.

Um... if they actually had $1.3 million roughly for the duration of wave 1's releases and it took them over a year past their due date to deliver only 1/3 the sculpts to most off the backers, what qualifies as "suspiciously long"? Are we talking leap years passing inbetween waves?

This being Palladium?

A decade?

More seriously, if we break 2016 without even a hint of a release target, we should probably grab the pitchforks and torches, but they actually managed to start delivering on wave one, so I guess we'll see if they can pull off wave 2.

Not that it'll be without shenanigans. Let's be real, after the "omg we need Hype(tm) and Buzz(r)(c)!" of Gencon, I wouldn't be shocked if they got *part* of W2 done and then felt the need to rush to sell it to someone, anyone at all, or some crap.

But I guess after hearing from Rick (Hi Rick!) that "maybe Palladium is bankrupt!" for half a year, I guess I'm just nonplussed over such concerns. They're slow and what they've delivered seems to be meh (or the poopiest poop to ever be pooped from a poohole, depending on who you ask), but despite all efforts to the contrary (and fate kicking them in the niknacks a few times), they did deliver something.

So until another year passes without anything resembling forward motion, I'm not really ready to being pondering aloud 'what if they're broke'?

We've already done that. Like... a hundred times (Hi again, Rick!). It's "the boy who cried wolf"; we've had it thrown out there so many times I just can't be worked up about it until PB manages to hit bottom and actively start digging again. And I don't doubt they can and will do so. Just gonna take more than musings to do it at this point.

 totalfailure wrote:
I wonder if it isn't that Wave 1 is out there to retail because they quite simply probably burned through all the KS cash on wave 1 and need the $$$s quite badly at this point and are hoping the sales make enough to get Wave 2 going.

Or... it's Christmas.

The simplest and easiest explanation or the most convoluted conspiracy? Well, it is THIS thread after all...

 judgedoug wrote:

 totalfailure wrote:
I wonder if it isn't that Wave 1 is out there to retail because they quite simply probably burned through all the KS cash on wave 1 and need the $$$s quite badly at this point and are hoping the sales make enough to get Wave 2 going.

Or... it's Christmas.

The simplest and easiest explanation or the most convoluted conspiracy? Well, it is THIS thread after all...

or maybe they have done nothing on wave 2 yet. lets face it, ND is doing the designing of the minis, not PB, all PB has to do is approve them and get HG's approval, that's not a lot of time or more to the point a lot of involved time on PB's part, so their packaging of Wave 1 items to ship wouldn't interfere with that, and yet here we sit with nary a word about wave 2, supposedly they told someone they would be posting about wave 2 info awhile back, and sadly no word as of yet.

why have they produced nothing for us? any number of reasons:

1: they want to surprise us

2: they have done nothing due to lack of funds

3: they have done nothing due to IP issues

4: they have done nothing cause they are still basking in the almighty light that is the Kevin S.

5: they have done nothing because they are lazy.

any of those reason and many more could be why we have heard nothing from PB about wave 2.

Or they feel they have nothing to gain

their core 'fan' base loves them anyway

the silent majority are, well, silent

and those that never liked them (or have got fed up already) are not going to be won over at this point

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Or they feel they have nothing to gain

their core 'fan' base loves them anyway

the silent majority are, well, silent

and those that never liked them (or have got fed up already) are not going to be won over at this point

well by being silent they do have much to lose, their silence has not been winning them any converts but has been increasing the amount of those dissatisfied with this project.

I don't think they're losing much. They put their foot in their mouth so many times over the past year and a half (and attempted to insert that in the other end of pledgers' GI tracts twice, succeeding once) and yet 3/4 of folks still voted yes to allow entry to their backsides. Silence won't cost them anything. If this KS has taught me anything, it is that folks minds are made up about palladium (whether good or bad) regardless of their actions.

Back after a week vacation.
So we are musing what now?
Seems the main pretty game box is out there for retail before Christmas so PB can afford a "wait and see".

I expect some grudging progress reports in mid-January with no pictures but some more 3D model pics or (gasp) 3d printed prototypes.
I expect no real progress to be shown until about 1 month before Gencon.
Then the "gee-wiz can we sell backer stuff before the backers get it?" if it goes too close to the wire.
I expect if we do not get everything before Christmas 2015 we are not getting it at all.
Sorry, I have largely copied what happened this year.

I can get back to putting together my 20+ part models, looking forward to painting and even MOAR! the challenge of the decal applications.
My jeweler visor is going to get a workout and a possible ban on coffee prior to decal operations.

It may not appear it, but I am happy because I have been half expecting for PB to put out some bare minimum effort and run with the rest of the money.
They appear to be excited that this project may just make some coin so they cannot quite bring themselves to abandon the potential revenue.
Lets hope Christmas sales are sufficient to keep their interest for Wave 2's sake.

My deepest sympathies for the non-US / Canada backers: I hope the choices of shipping do not go as anticipated...

 warboss wrote:
I don't think they're losing much. They put their foot in their mouth so many times over the past year and a half (and attempted to insert that in the other end of pledgers' GI tracts twice, succeeding once) and yet 3/4 of folks still voted yes to allow entry to their backsides. Silence won't cost them anything. If this KS has taught me anything, it is that folks minds are made up about palladium (whether good or bad) regardless of their actions.

well my thoughts before this KS was I didn't know PB still existed, thought they went the way of the Dodo bird like R. Talsorian games, then this KS started and it was like good memories of playing Robotech RPG came flooding back, now I feel like PB is that "Stuff" you want off the bottom of your shoe but afraid to touch it.

Asterios wrote:
I well my thoughts before this KS was I didn't know PB still existed, thought they went the way of the Dodo bird like R. Talsorian games,

Was pretty much my thoughts in the beginning.

then this KS started and it was like good memories of playing Robotech RPG came flooding back,

I got some of my books back from my brother to look at again and some of my old notes.
Had a few campaigns in the Robotech setting.

now I feel like PB is that "Stuff" you want off the bottom of your shoe but afraid to touch it.

They have not aged gracefully since the time of fond memories.

Best summary I can give without griping:
They do not inspire customer loyalty, the reaction is to get the least amount of product you want from them and not look back.
- Their dialogue with their customers seems more paternal than a provider of product which is not for everyone.
- They are too volatile to trust with any amount of money without some risk of it being "lost / delayed / stasis" or terms of sale being revised.

I had started off fairly open minded (I think), noticed a few strange things, did some research and decided they are a poorly run company that is high risk to deal with.

I had started off fairly open minded (I think), noticed a few strange things, did some research and decided they are a poorly run company that is high risk to deal with.

++++++++++

IN other words the perfect companion to HG.

a month into RTT ownership I have equal parts love and WTF? moments. Played my 2 intro games last friday. Lost one won one. In the win went to tie up and wound up destroying the last pod he needed to get across. Oddly since H2H is based on pilot Guardian was my choice. I think I'm doing something wrong becuase the battloid seems underpowered.

Battloid has increased gunnery and can fire the GU-11 at a longer range. That increased GN makes the shots very hard to dodge. It's like the full Offense mode for the VT. If you go HTH with a VT you are using it wrong.

Yeah, it's the Battlepods that are supposed to kick-line down the opposing force!

Sheesh!

;-)

Plus some argue that the GU-11 can fire 3 times in Battloid! That would make them a terror. One VT killing 3 Pods per round!

 Forar wrote:
Yeah, it's the Battlepods that are supposed to kick-line down the opposing force!

Sheesh!

;-)

You underestimate the power of a fully armed and operational Zentraedi Battle Pod Chorus line! Now watch as they kick down the whole town.

 Mike1975 wrote:
Plus some argue that the GU-11 can fire 3 times in Battloid! That would make them a terror. One VT killing 3 Pods per round!

... what?

How... how can "some argue"?

How many times a figure can fire per turn is kind of important information that shouldn't be up to interpretation.

 Desert Lurker wrote:
Battletech is 55% off so, X-Wing 40% off. So, just a good holiday sale. Nothing to see here. I'll ask when the sale is over.

So DL where is this Battletech stuff at 55% off? I can't seem to find it, but I noticed the Robotech stuff is now 50-51% off.

Where is Robotech half price?

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Where is Robotech half price?

Cool Stuff Inc.

 Mike1975 wrote:
Battloid has increased gunnery and can fire the GU-11 at a longer range. That increased GN makes the shots very hard to dodge. It's like the full Offense mode for the VT. If you go HTH with a VT you are using it wrong.

Funny, because it kind of was one of the goals of making them, you know, humanoid-shaped ^_^


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 Forar wrote:

 Mike1975 wrote:
Plus some argue that the GU-11 can fire 3 times in Battloid! That would make them a terror. One VT killing 3 Pods per round!

... what?

How... how can "some argue"?

How many times a figure can fire per turn is kind of important information that shouldn't be up to interpretation.

...also, this. Seriously?

Asterios wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Where is Robotech half price?

Cool Stuff Inc.

Let me just click on that...



I really wish I still had some budget left. Damn is that tempting.

Not that I'll ever finish assembling my Battlecry pledge, but at least I could have a few more of the minis I actually like.

 Forar wrote:

 Mike1975 wrote:
Plus some argue that the GU-11 can fire 3 times in Battloid! That would make them a terror. One VT killing 3 Pods per round!

... what?

How... how can "some argue"?

How many times a figure can fire per turn is kind of important information that shouldn't be up to interpretation.

GU-11 has Rapid Fire, description on card says in Battloid it can fire and additional time. It does not appear on the Armored VT cards though but it does on the Supers.

Yeah, the rules here are written really well.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

Asterios wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Where is Robotech half price?

Cool Stuff Inc.

Let me just click on that...



I really wish I still had some budget left. Damn is that tempting.

Not that I'll ever finish assembling my Battlecry pledge, but at least I could have a few more of the minis I actually like.

yeah the fact CSI reduced their price not once but now twice does not bode well for the product with CSI, as to why, no clue, but the actions are those of clearance pricing, since just about any profit is out the window now probably.

I like this write-up of the game, rather accurate:
http://diehardgamefan.com/2014/10/27/tabletop-review-robotech-rpg-tactics-core-rulebook/

"The end result is a game that is pretty terrible in regards to putting things together and fielding your army, but once you actually get through the weeks and/or months or crap you have to deal with before actually playing the game, you’ll find it’s a lot of fun. The problem is most people, especially those who haven’t spent a good portion of their lives putting together minis and/or painting them will give up on Robotech RPG Tactics long before they get to that point. What a god damn shame." - by Alex Lucard on October 27, 2014

This is the sad part: newbies will really have a heck of a time getting the models together, I am realizing this more and more as I plough through them.
I have had decades of putting models together and am quite impressed with the fit and end result but the process is excruciating.
All those injection points are such a chore to ensure they are cut nicely and ensuring a flush surface without destroying detail (or the dreaded launching tiny bits never to be found).

GAH! looked at that CoolStuffInc sale... in-cred-freaking-able
http://www.coolstuffinc.com/main_search.php?pa=searchOnName&page=1&resultsPerPage=25&q=robotech
$49.99 main box, $15.99 Tomahawk / Defender Destroid pack...

May get to build-up my Battletech forces!

 Talizvar wrote:
I like this write-up of the game, rather accurate:
http://diehardgamefan.com/2014/10/27/tabletop-review-robotech-rpg-tactics-core-rulebook/

"The end result is a game that is pretty terrible in regards to putting things together and fielding your army, but once you actually get through the weeks and/or months or crap you have to deal with before actually playing the game, you’ll find it’s a lot of fun. The problem is most people, especially those who haven’t spent a good portion of their lives putting together minis and/or painting them will give up on Robotech RPG Tactics long before they get to that point. What a god damn shame." - by Alex Lucard on October 27, 2014

This is the sad part: newbies will really have a heck of a time getting the models together, I am realizing this more and more as I plough through them.
I have had decades of putting models together and am quite impressed with the fit and end result but the process is excruciating.
All those injection points are such a chore to ensure they are cut nicely and ensuring a flush surface without destroying detail (or the dreaded launching tiny bits never to be found).

GAH! looked at that CoolStuffInc sale... in-cred-freaking-able
http://www.coolstuffinc.com/main_search.php?pa=searchOnName&page=1&resultsPerPage=25&q=robotech
$49.99 main box, $15.99 Tomahawk / Defender Destroid pack...

May get to build-up my Battletech forces!

yeah if I didn't just get done spending a crap load of money on a bunch of LRC's (Land Raider Crusaders) I might have bought a few boxes so I'll have spare parts when I do my friends models for him, might still pick up some boxes next week have to see if anything else catches my eye or not.

Hey guys, SecretSanta2014 for an additional 5% off at CoolStuffInc.

And again, I'd like to point out that their 50% off Warmachine/Hordes sale and MiniatureMarket's 40% off Warmachine/Hordes sale is entirely the reason that I got into Warmachine and Hordes (with Menoth, Minions, and Circle).

Very often huge sales are subsidized by the publisher in order to move product. (This is what actually happened with Privateer Press and Miniature Market. Warmachine had dropped to #4 in the top 5 minis game lists, and after the 40% sales, rose back to #3). Notice the stock levels for the Robotech product at CSI. I can easily imagine Palladium shipped them hundreds of copies at a huge discount in order for them to move a ton during CSI's Xmas sales. I know several people who are ordering or are considering ordering Robotech as we speak, due to the CSI discount. Even just the box game nets enough figs for someone to start an army, or swap with another player to get a decent sized force of one or the other.