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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/05 19:16:31
Subject: Re:Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
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Hard-Wired Sentinel Pilot
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@#$÷$#$÷^%/&€£!?+! You Palladium! I won't be able to sell it off (due to their retail lies), I haven't got time to build it (due to their overly complex sprue design/max number of pieces) and I don't even get to play it! (because it isn't flipping here yet!/not to mention the dodgy diy rules when they do decide to send it)
- I might need to build a skaven army while I wait (I've got time, right?).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/05 19:37:26
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
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I think you should hold off on complaining about build difficulty if you haven't built any of the models.
In my experience, having built Z Glaug & Pods, along with Destroids and Battloids, these are NOT difficult to build if you pay attention.
The model issues are vastly overblown by people who either lack basic modeling skills, or simply have an axe to grind against Palladium.
Slap a different brand on the RRT model boxes, and they're simply small high detail scale model kits.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/05 19:53:42
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
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Not having gotten any yet, they look awfully small scale to me, far too small for the number of parts involved.
When I build scale models they're 1:35, and the crew don't come in anywhere near that many pieces.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/05 19:57:12
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
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If you can properly build a 1/35 tank by Dragon, etc., then you can build RRT models without issue.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/05 19:57:42
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
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JohnHwangDD wrote:I think you should hold off on complaining about build difficulty if you haven't built any of the models.
In my experience, having built Z Glaug & Pods, along with Destroids and Battloids, these are NOT difficult to build if you pay attention.
The model issues are vastly overblown by people who either lack basic modeling skills, or simply have an axe to grind against Palladium.
Slap a different brand on the RRT model boxes, and they're simply small high detail scale model kits.
actually I've heard from people that have rather great modeling skills and have spoken well of PB who have said these models suck, tell me have you made any? i'm curious since you seem to be coming from a point of knowledge, so i'm curious if you have any built and if any pics.
furthermore if you have built some, could you answer some build questions some of us are curious about, like how did you hide the seams? how did you align the misaligned pieces? how did you attach the arms in the guardian mode? now this is the big one, how did you cut off some of the thin small pieces without breaking them ?
Just curious since I've been building models and miniatures for over 30 years and I find these models daunting to say the least, and I'm a pretty good modeler too.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/05 20:08:13
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
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JohnHwangDD wrote:If you can properly build a 1/35 tank by Dragon, etc., then you can build RRT models without issue.
If you can build a 1/72 tank kit without going insane, RRT models are a breeze.
...especially if you've ever had to assemble gakky 1/72 kits like some crap Katyusha kit where you have to actually melt the sprue to make pieces for the kit. Ever been told by an instruction sheet to apply a piece of your sprue to a flame to heat it up and stretch it out because they couldn't be bothered to include the part on the frame?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/05 20:09:59
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
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JohnHwangDD wrote:In my experience, having built Z Glaug & Pods, along with Destroids and Battloids, these are NOT difficult to build if you pay attention.
That is a fine piece of personal opinion. Glad you're having an easy time with them.
The model issues are vastly overblown by people who either lack basic modeling skills, or simply have an axe to grind against Palladium.
Oh you.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/05 20:12:36
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
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Asterios wrote:
furthermore if you have built some, could you answer some build questions some of us are curious about, like how did you hide the seams? how did you align the misaligned pieces? how did you attach the arms in the guardian mode? now this is the big one, how did you cut off some of the thin small pieces without breaking them ?
Just curious since I've been building models and miniatures for over 30 years and I find these models daunting to say the least, and I'm a pretty good modeler too.
Personally I use Plastruct Plastic Weld liberally and push the pieces together with a fair amount of pressure; most seams disappear. Remaining seams (the annoying destroid leg seams, basically) are quickly covered by Liquid Green Stuff or Vallejo Plastic Putty (in the paint bottle), wet sanded for a few seconds. I didn't experience any misaligned pieces. Guardian mode arms are definitely tricky but I'm a brute force kind of guy, the pegs go in if you jam 'em hard enough  thin pieces, I use very sharp side cutters and Xacto Z blades ("zirconium nitride coating applied at the atomic level after blades are atomically sharpened.") Actually I only use Z blades period, because nothing else compares ( http://xacto.com/products/cutting-solutions/knives/knives/Z-Series-1-Precision-Knife.aspx). I have only broken one head laser.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/05 20:15:03
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
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Surely that shouldn't be the measuring stick for hard model assembly. That should be a sign of mental illness and a cry for help from the manufacturer.
I have complained a lot about the VEritechs, but I do love to complain, so fair call there. I said they were as difficult as some of the tricker Wyrd plastics, and I stand by that. Some people have no problem with Wyrd plastics, some people get very frustrated.
I am also curious if John Huangdi bothers trimming the guardian arms or if he is happy with them sticking out on the extra long cylinder tabs.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/05 20:15:30
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
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judgedoug wrote:Asterios wrote:
furthermore if you have built some, could you answer some build questions some of us are curious about, like how did you hide the seams? how did you align the misaligned pieces? how did you attach the arms in the guardian mode? now this is the big one, how did you cut off some of the thin small pieces without breaking them ?
Just curious since I've been building models and miniatures for over 30 years and I find these models daunting to say the least, and I'm a pretty good modeler too.
Personally I use Plastruct Plastic Weld liberally and push the pieces together with a fair amount of pressure; most seams disappear. Remaining seams (the annoying destroid leg seams, basically) are quickly covered by Liquid Green Stuff or Vallejo Plastic Putty (in the paint bottle), wet sanded for a few seconds. I didn't experience any misaligned pieces. Guardian mode arms are definitely tricky but I'm a brute force kind of guy, the pegs go in if you jam 'em hard enough  thin pieces, I use very sharp side cutters and Xacto Z blades ("zirconium nitride coating applied at the atomic level after blades are atomically sharpened.") Actually I only use Z blades period, because nothing else compares ( http://xacto.com/products/cutting-solutions/knives/knives/Z-Series-1-Precision-Knife.aspx). I have only broken one head laser.
problem is people are having issues with the seams being in spots that are hard to reach to file down when filled in, also some of the torsos are misaligned when applied, also didn't help they didn't have good directions with the game either.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/05 20:16:04
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
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Judge Doug, surely that shouldn't be the measuring stick for hard model assembly. That should be a sign of mental illness and a cry for help from the manufacturer.
I have complained a lot about the VEritechs, but I do love to complain, so fair call there. I said they were as difficult as some of the tricker Wyrd plastics, and I stand by that. Some people have no problem with Wyrd plastics, some people get very frustrated.
I am also curious if John Huangdi bothers trimming the guardian arms or if he is happy with them sticking out on the extra long cylinder tabs. Automatically Appended Next Post: Huh. Slow internet
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/05 20:25:34
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
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Asterios wrote: JohnHwangDD wrote:I think you should hold off on complaining about build difficulty if you haven't built any of the models.
In my experience, having built Z Glaug & Pods, along with Destroids and Battloids, these are NOT difficult to build if you pay attention.
The model issues are vastly overblown by people who either lack basic modeling skills, or simply have an axe to grind against Palladium.
Slap a different brand on the RRT model boxes, and they're simply small high detail scale model kits.
actually I've heard from people that have rather great modeling skills and have spoken well of PB who have said these models suck, tell me have you made any? i'm curious since you seem to be coming from a point of knowledge, so i'm curious if you have any built and if any pics.
furthermore if you have built some, could you answer some build questions some of us are curious about, like how did you hide the seams? how did you align the misaligned pieces? how did you attach the arms in the guardian mode? now this is the big one, how did you cut off some of the thin small pieces without breaking them ?
Just curious since I've been building models and miniatures for over 30 years and I find these models daunting to say the least, and I'm a pretty good modeler too.
Perhaps these "great" modelers aren't actually as good as they claim, kind of how they probably also claim to be excellent drivers, excellent lovers, master strategists, etc., etc.
To answer the question whether I've built any, I'm going to quote myself:
No, I don't have pics up on Dakka.
The seams aren't very large, and weld up fine. If I cared, for competition work, I could run a little liquid cement over them, but seams really weren't an issue for me. There were no misalignment issues in the models I built. The molds are in good condition, and everything seems to have been properly aligned with minimal flash. The halves glue up nicely, assuming one does standard prep and works with "hot" cement. Had I cared, I'm sure I could have gotten even tighter seams.
If you had bothered to read what I wrote, you'd note that I haven't built the Guardians (yet). Based on the Destroids that I built earlier, I'm not worried. These are far simpler than the transforming Revell Super Valks I built as a kid.
I own sprue clippers and fingernail clippers, and the only problem piece that broke was the 1x3x0.5mm antenna on the Recon Pod. This is good quality plastic - it holds detail, and is strong and rigid.
I've been building models for well over 30 years, and they were completely straighforward, no real issues aside from breaking the one micro antenna bit. This stuff builds far easier and cleaner than CMoN "restic", for example.
Tell you what, I'll take a shot at knocking out a Guardian and/or Fighter tonight. It's possible that they're worse, but I doubt it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/05 20:28:39
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
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JohnHwangDD wrote:Asterios wrote: JohnHwangDD wrote:I think you should hold off on complaining about build difficulty if you haven't built any of the models.
In my experience, having built Z Glaug & Pods, along with Destroids and Battloids, these are NOT difficult to build if you pay attention.
The model issues are vastly overblown by people who either lack basic modeling skills, or simply have an axe to grind against Palladium.
Slap a different brand on the RRT model boxes, and they're simply small high detail scale model kits.
actually I've heard from people that have rather great modeling skills and have spoken well of PB who have said these models suck, tell me have you made any? i'm curious since you seem to be coming from a point of knowledge, so i'm curious if you have any built and if any pics.
furthermore if you have built some, could you answer some build questions some of us are curious about, like how did you hide the seams? how did you align the misaligned pieces? how did you attach the arms in the guardian mode? now this is the big one, how did you cut off some of the thin small pieces without breaking them ?
Just curious since I've been building models and miniatures for over 30 years and I find these models daunting to say the least, and I'm a pretty good modeler too.
Perhaps these "great" modelers aren't actually as good as they claim, kind of how they probably also claim to be excellent drivers, excellent lovers, master strategists, etc., etc.
To answer the question whether I've built any, I'm going to quote myself:
No, I don't have pics up on Dakka.
The seams aren't very large, and weld up fine. If I cared, for competition work, I could run a little liquid cement over them, but seams really weren't an issue for me. There were no misalignment issues in the models I built. The molds are in good condition, and everything seems to have been properly aligned with minimal flash. The halves glue up nicely, assuming one does standard prep and works with "hot" cement. Had I cared, I'm sure I could have gotten even tighter seams.
If you had bothered to read what I wrote, you'd note that I haven't built the Guardians (yet). Based on the Destroids that I built earlier, I'm not worried. These are far simpler than the transforming Revell Super Valks I built as a kid.
I own sprue clippers and fingernail clippers, and the only problem piece that broke was the 1x3x0.5mm antenna on the Recon Pod. This is good quality plastic - it holds detail, and is strong and rigid.
I've been building models for well over 30 years, and they were completely straighforward, no real issues aside from breaking the one micro antenna bit. This stuff builds far easier and cleaner than CMoN "restic", for example.
Tell you what, I'll take a shot at knocking out a Guardian and/or Fighter tonight. It's possible that they're worse, but I doubt it.
so have you built the recon pod? just curious, since that seems to be a problem catcher model, also with no pics its just your word that you built them, I'm from the show me state so show me some pics.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/05 20:32:33
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
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judgedoug wrote: JohnHwangDD wrote:If you can properly build a 1/35 tank by Dragon, etc., then you can build RRT models without issue.
If you can build a 1/72 tank kit without going insane, RRT models are a breeze.
...especially if you've ever had to assemble gakky 1/72 kits like some crap Katyusha kit where you have to actually melt the sprue to make pieces for the kit. Ever been told by an instruction sheet to apply a piece of your sprue to a flame to heat it up and stretch it out because they couldn't be bothered to include the part on the frame?
bt; dt. I cut my teeth on 1/72 Airfix kits. I reference 1/35 by Dragon, as the modern trend is to include all of the little details for 100% accuracy - not the simplified crap that Tamiya cranked out in the 70s.
You think pulling an antenna from sprue is bad? That's nothing. Try this: Non-workible Individual Link Track. OMG. Not only is it a zillion tiny pieces to clean up, but you have to glue them together with zero inherent structure keeping them together. I would almost rather go back to Airfix rubber bands or Tamiya heat together. Automatically Appended Next Post: Asterios wrote: JohnHwangDD wrote:Asterios wrote: JohnHwangDD wrote:I think you should hold off on complaining about build difficulty if you haven't built any of the models.
In my experience, having built Z Glaug & Pods, along with Destroids and Battloids, these are NOT difficult to build if you pay attention.
The model issues are vastly overblown by people who either lack basic modeling skills, or simply have an axe to grind against Palladium.
actually I've heard from people that have rather great modeling skills and have spoken well of PB who have said these models suck, tell me have you made any? i'm curious since you seem to be coming from a point of knowledge, so i'm curious if you have any built and if any pics.
furthermore if you have built some, could you answer some build questions some of us are curious about, like how did you hide the seams? how did you align the misaligned pieces? how did you attach the arms in the guardian mode? now this is the big one, how did you cut off some of the thin small pieces without breaking them ?
Just curious since I've been building models and miniatures for over 30 years and I find these models daunting to say the least, and I'm a pretty good modeler too.
Perhaps these "great" modelers aren't actually as good as they claim, kind of how they probably also claim to be excellent drivers, excellent lovers, master strategists, etc., etc.
To answer the question whether I've built any, I'm going to quote myself:
No, I don't have pics up on Dakka.
The seams aren't very large, and weld up fine. If I cared, for competition work, I could run a little liquid cement over them, but seams really weren't an issue for me. There were no misalignment issues in the models I built. The molds are in good condition, and everything seems to have been properly aligned with minimal flash. The halves glue up nicely, assuming one does standard prep and works with "hot" cement. Had I cared, I'm sure I could have gotten even tighter seams.
If you had bothered to read what I wrote, you'd note that I haven't built the Guardians (yet). Based on the Destroids that I built earlier, I'm not worried. These are far simpler than the transforming Revell Super Valks I built as a kid.
I own sprue clippers and fingernail clippers, and the only problem piece that broke was the 1x3x0.5mm antenna on the Recon Pod. This is good quality plastic - it holds detail, and is strong and rigid.
I've been building models for well over 30 years, and they were completely straighforward, no real issues aside from breaking the one micro antenna bit. This stuff builds far easier and cleaner than CMoN "restic", for example.
Tell you what, I'll take a shot at knocking out a Guardian and/or Fighter tonight. It's possible that they're worse, but I doubt it.
so have you built the recon pod? just curious, since that seems to be a problem catcher model, also with no pics its just your word that you built them, I'm from the show me state so show me some pics.
Yes, I built the Recon Pod. Trivially easy build. Very straightforward. Just google up a big picture of the larger Bandai reference model while you build it, and it's obvious where everything should go.
Fine, I'll get some pics together, not that they're really necessary or prove anything.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/05 20:40:03
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
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JohnHwangDD wrote:
You think pulling an antenna from sprue is bad? That's nothing. Try this: Non-workible Individual Link Track. OMG. Not only is it a zillion tiny pieces to clean up, but you have to glue them together with zero inherent structure keeping them together. I would almost rather go back to Airfix rubber bands or Tamiya heat together.
Oh, no, nono, not pulling antenna. Pulling the _structure_. edit: ACTUALLY, the AXLES! You had to melt and pull the goddamn sprue in a perfectly straight and consistently thick rod, defying all laws of physics in the process, to construct the axles for the model. I'll find the kit manufacturer.
But, dude, that's what I grew up on - terrible 1/72 kits. Individual track links is what made me a MAN! It doesn't help that in the mid 90's I was also buying the Macross 15th Anniversary kits including those aforementioned transformable Valkyries. Bandai? 1/100, I think? Those were one of the most frustrating things I've ever done in my life.
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BobtheInquisitor wrote:Judge Doug, surely that shouldn't be the measuring stick for hard model assembly. That should be a sign of mental illness and a cry for help from the manufacturer.
Oh, no, of course, I would prefer that all the models came without needing assembly at all. Make no mistake, I agree the RRT models are overly complicated; I just don't think they are that bad. And they look pretty damn snazzy when all done up.
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"...and special thanks to Judgedoug!" - Alessio Cavatore "Now you've gone too far Doug! ... Too far... " - Rick Priestley "I've decided that I'd rather not have you as a member of TMP." - Editor, The Miniatures Page "I'd rather put my testicles through a mangle than spend any time gaming with you." - Richard, TooFatLardies "We need a Doug Craig in every store." - Warlord Games "Thank you for being here, Judge Doug!" - Adam Troke |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/05 20:47:53
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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JohnHwangDD wrote:Automatically Appended Next Post:
Asterios wrote: JohnHwangDD wrote:Asterios wrote: JohnHwangDD wrote:I think you should hold off on complaining about build difficulty if you haven't built any of the models.
In my experience, having built Z Glaug & Pods, along with Destroids and Battloids, these are NOT difficult to build if you pay attention.
The model issues are vastly overblown by people who either lack basic modeling skills, or simply have an axe to grind against Palladium.
actually I've heard from people that have rather great modeling skills and have spoken well of PB who have said these models suck, tell me have you made any? i'm curious since you seem to be coming from a point of knowledge, so i'm curious if you have any built and if any pics.
furthermore if you have built some, could you answer some build questions some of us are curious about, like how did you hide the seams? how did you align the misaligned pieces? how did you attach the arms in the guardian mode? now this is the big one, how did you cut off some of the thin small pieces without breaking them ?
Just curious since I've been building models and miniatures for over 30 years and I find these models daunting to say the least, and I'm a pretty good modeler too.
Perhaps these "great" modelers aren't actually as good as they claim, kind of how they probably also claim to be excellent drivers, excellent lovers, master strategists, etc., etc.
To answer the question whether I've built any, I'm going to quote myself:
No, I don't have pics up on Dakka.
The seams aren't very large, and weld up fine. If I cared, for competition work, I could run a little liquid cement over them, but seams really weren't an issue for me. There were no misalignment issues in the models I built. The molds are in good condition, and everything seems to have been properly aligned with minimal flash. The halves glue up nicely, assuming one does standard prep and works with "hot" cement. Had I cared, I'm sure I could have gotten even tighter seams.
If you had bothered to read what I wrote, you'd note that I haven't built the Guardians (yet). Based on the Destroids that I built earlier, I'm not worried. These are far simpler than the transforming Revell Super Valks I built as a kid.
I own sprue clippers and fingernail clippers, and the only problem piece that broke was the 1x3x0.5mm antenna on the Recon Pod. This is good quality plastic - it holds detail, and is strong and rigid.
I've been building models for well over 30 years, and they were completely straighforward, no real issues aside from breaking the one micro antenna bit. This stuff builds far easier and cleaner than CMoN "restic", for example.
Tell you what, I'll take a shot at knocking out a Guardian and/or Fighter tonight. It's possible that they're worse, but I doubt it.
so have you built the recon pod? just curious, since that seems to be a problem catcher model, also with no pics its just your word that you built them, I'm from the show me state so show me some pics.
Yes, I built the Recon Pod. Trivially easy build. Very straightforward. Just google up a big picture of the larger Bandai reference model while you build it, and it's obvious where everything should go.
Fine, I'll get some pics together, not that they're really necessary or prove anything.
so far all your saying is, you have to have mad modeling skills to assemble these minis, which pretty much rules out the casual gamer which PB needs to have the game survive, look how GW does their starter games up, simple easy models that look great, that's how you get new players and such, not with what PB did.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/05 20:59:56
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judgedoug wrote: JohnHwangDD wrote:
You think pulling an antenna from sprue is bad? That's nothing. Try this: Non-workible Individual Link Track. OMG. Not only is it a zillion tiny pieces to clean up, but you have to glue them together with zero inherent structure keeping them together. I would almost rather go back to Airfix rubber bands or Tamiya heat together.
Oh, no, nono, not pulling antenna. Pulling the _structure_. Thankfully I only watched as my brother struggled before admitting defeat. I'll find the kit manufacturer.
But, dude, that's what I grew up on - terrible 1/72 kits. Individual track links is what made me a MAN! It doesn't help that in the mid 90's I was also buying the Macross 15th Anniversary kits including those aforementioned transformable Valkyries. Bandai? 1/100, I think? Those were one of the most frustrating things I've ever done in my life.
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BobtheInquisitor wrote:Judge Doug, surely that shouldn't be the measuring stick for hard model assembly. That should be a sign of mental illness and a cry for help from the manufacturer.
Oh, no, of course, I would prefer that all the models came without needing assembly at all. Make no mistake, I agree the RRT models are overly complicated; I just don't think they are that bad. And they look pretty damn snazzy when all done up.
Pulling the structure? WTF?  If I'm asked to do that now, I'm going back to the store and buy some styrene rod rather than wasting my time over a candle.
There is no doubt in my mind that these kits are superior to those old 1/72 Airfix kits. IMO, a fetish for ITL is more a sign of mental illness than RRT...  But I do agree that ITL is not for the faint of heart. I definitely recall the Robotech kits being a major challenge, being transformable with swing wings, plug-in missiles & landing gear.
Looking at the kits, aside from the wish for 1-part limbs, about the big simplification I'd have wanted would have been to freeze the hips to the torso, removing a weakening joint in the process.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/05 21:04:09
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
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JohnHwangDD wrote:
Looking at the kits, aside from the wish for 1-part limbs, about the big simplification I'd have wanted would have been to freeze the hips to the torso, removing a weakening joint in the process.
yeah I've been hearing stories where the hips connect and such are not fun, my issue with these kits is they did not need to split pieces up like they did seriously why did they? one part that begs the question of why, is the canopy piece, why did that itsy bitsy piece need to be separated?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/05 21:08:52
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
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Asterios wrote: JohnHwangDD wrote:Yes, I built the Recon Pod. Trivially easy build. Very straightforward. Just google up a big picture of the larger Bandai reference model while you build it, and it's obvious where everything should go.
Fine, I'll get some pics together, not that they're really necessary or prove anything.
so far all your saying is, you have to have mad modeling skills to assemble these minis, which pretty much rules out the casual gamer which PB needs to have the game survive, look how GW does their starter games up, simple easy models that look great, that's how you get new players and such, not with what PB did.
I don't think I have "mad skillz" - I'm no Max Wantanabe, and would never compare myself with a modeler of his caliber.
If one just wants to play, then a little gap or misalignment from poor assembly technique won't be an issue. For a casual gamer, that Recon Pod only needs the "T" antenna on the top - the rest is completely unnecessary detail, and can be left on sprue.
I like that these models are very scale, with great modeling potential. I am really looking forward to receiving my MAC II "Monster".
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/05 21:12:53
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
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Haughty Harad Serpent Rider
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JohnHwangDD wrote:
Pulling the structure? WTF?  If I'm asked to do that now, I'm going back to the store and buy some styrene rod rather than wasting my time over a candle.
ACTUALLY, the AXLES! You had to melt and pull the goddamn sprue in a perfectly straight and consistently thick rod, defying all laws of physics in the process, to construct the axles for the model.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/05 21:45:36
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Haha, too funny. And yeah, no way I'm bothering with it. That's the kind of thing that would just make me mad.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/05 22:31:21
Subject: Re:Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
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I've put a few of everything except the guardian modes, which are on the table to finish tonight, and only partially assembled. I need to add the arms and wings. The VF-1S head lasers fitting under the Guardian mode body was a PITA to make sure it was straight and I used tweezers on a few parts but have not had many problems. The hardest part is gluing the legs and torso just the way you want it. The big issues is that time it takes and you have to have the right cutters and glue to do this.
That being said I have not used any green stuff or primed a single one...YET.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/05 22:36:58
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
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Inspiring SDF-1 Bridge Officer
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Easy E wrote:Not to rub salt in the wound, but I didn't even back the KS and I managed to pick it up at retail already!
If I was an overseas backer I would be pretty upset.
We know. Palladium apparently doesn't want to
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/05 23:11:48
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
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I heard all of the negative posts on the assembly of the models, and was pleasantly surprised when I got them that it was not so bad.
Sadly the game has not taken off around here. The local stores do not support kickstarted stuff, which is somewhat understandable.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/05 23:27:16
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Talizvar wrote:Well, I suppose everyone wants as early a run at the game due to 1/2 hour per model build times (slightly better with pods, slightly worse with veritechs).
Yeah, update on items to look out for on assembly:
- Glaug chin guns tend to snap in half when you go to clip out of sprue.
- On the scout pod that flat spatula piece that attaches to the side face is just silly to try to cut. Better off trimming some plastic polystyrene to size.
My sympathies to those who have not received their packages yet, but you can at least benefit from the various things we have found before you.
Wayne from PB answering on Facebook?
Is he allowed outside the PB forum bubble?
Now if a FAQ could be distributed from Facebook all would be well...
Chin guns like performing brain surgery. All goes good and comes off complete success. Then I drop the damn thing on the rug. Mag Light and an hour later.....
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/06 02:34:53
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
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Jihadin wrote:
Chin guns like performing brain surgery. All goes good and comes off complete success. Then I drop the damn thing on the rug. Mag Light and an hour later.....
That right there is likely the biggest reason building these models takes so long. Losing the parts(especially with my big fat fingers, and heavy calluses) If the parts weren't so small, and we all used hard wood floors and worked on a table with raised edges I'm sure they would go together a lot faster.
Okay you can stop laughing at me now, it wasn't that funny. Unless you saw what I look like, then laugh away, it only hurts a little....I already know I'm funny looking.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/06 02:53:58
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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I keep a bits organizer handy when working with this kind of stuff. Keep paired arms / legs together. Hold small pieces. Etc. Learned this stuff by experience.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/06 04:56:52
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
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So glad like three pretty brash people think these kits are easy. They will totally be able to float this game once all the people without their badass modeling skills go back to a really real minis game.
Hey guys HG and Kevin Mckeever are posting over on mikes facebook now as well. Looks like enough fanbois got together in one place to open a superfan portal directly to the source.
Maybe they will be able to rift those overseas backers their product now.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/06 06:23:03
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
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Unstoppable Bloodthirster of Khorne
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judgedoug wrote:
If you can build a 1/72 tank kit without going insane, RRT models are a breeze.
...especially if you've ever had to assemble gakky 1/72 kits like some crap Katyusha kit where you have to actually melt the sprue to make pieces for the kit. Ever been told by an instruction sheet to apply a piece of your sprue to a flame to heat it up and stretch it out because they couldn't be bothered to include the part on the frame?
Yes. It's not endearing and not something I have time for as I walk closer to my grave. My concern is that RRT models will also fall into this category. Not that I'd know, being a dirty foreigner and all. Amirite?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/06 06:26:42
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
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Inspiring SDF-1 Bridge Officer
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What a bunch of BS. I've been putting together models for well over 30 years and the Valks are horrible. Worst of the lot is the recon pod.
And seams galore on the UEF stuff without green stuff.
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