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So, still shipping Wave 1.
Aussi people will chime-in when they get stuff, right?
Nothing official on Wave 2.
Some FAQ committed to but no ETA.
I assume Gencon will pretty much be a non-event this year.
No real idea of sales figures if RRT will be a cash cow for PB in retail or they have to pretty-up for KS part 2.
Sorry, feel need to summarize the state of affairs.
Did I miss anything relevant?

Looking back it looks like the evidence was deleted....or hidden.


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ROW should be next?

 Mike1975 wrote:
Looking back it looks like the evidence was deleted....or hidden.


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ROW should be next?

me I got banned fromt he PB forums the 2nd. time (permanently) for cause I guess since I told NMI he couldn't handle the truth, which is so true.

here is the post that got me banned:

Rick S. Post subject: Re: Oh how I wish this was not soPostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2014 12:48 pm

Joined: Sun Jul 13, 2014 12:47 am
Posts: 163 @Battle Damage its simple, PB, specifically Kevin Lied, no one pointed a gun at their head and made them ship product to retailers before all backers product was shipped, they did that of their own free will, even though they said they would not, what is it something someone does when they say they will not do something then do it? oh yeah its called a lie, and yes PB/Kevin lied to you the over sea backers, those who will say, that PB only delivered to retail in countries where product was delivered, are obviously blinding themselves from the reality of the internet age, where overseas retail stores buy from American distributors, furthermore, the promise was not that, but that PB would not deliver product to anyone till after the Backers product was shipped.

Shame on you PB/Kevin for telling lies and not being honorable to your backers now I am off since odds are NMI is going to ban me for another 4 months because he cannot handle the truth. even when said politely like this.

this is for you NMI:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMzd40i8TfA


EDIT: GOODBYE RICK S. -NMI


Banned: User has been banned -NMI

Upon reading your post, the response and result is not surprising. Not surprising at all.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Upon reading your post, the response and result is not surprising. Not surprising at all.

yeah my post was in response to someone asking why Kevin didn't keep his word when he said he would not release product to retail till all backers product was received.

and I still stand by what I said cause its true.

well I was wrong when I said NMI might ban me for 4 months, he perma banned me

 Talizvar wrote:
So, still shipping Wave 1.
Aussi people will chime-in when they get stuff, right?
Nothing official on Wave 2.
Some FAQ committed to but no ETA.
I assume Gencon will pretty much be a non-event this year.
No real idea of sales figures if RRT will be a cash cow for PB in retail or they have to pretty-up for KS part 2.
Sorry, feel need to summarize the state of affairs.
Did I miss anything relevant?

Unless I missed it happening,

New and Improved Assembly Instructions - "The first ones should be available by the end of this week." (dated Jan 14).

Also on the fringe, Malcontent dice, after asking Mike to hold off.

I disagree GenCon will be a non-event. I fully expect it to be as controversial an issue as the previous two (Max Miriya 2013, vote shenanigans and attempt at "early release" 2014). At this rate, based on math and last year's scheduling, and it being twice as many figures, it's exceedingly unlikely Wave 2 will ship before GenCon (which is two weeks earlier this year). But PB won't miss the opportunity to sell SOMETHING, so I expect them to have some of the Wave 2 figures shipped in. Gotta do it "for the fans" or whatever garbage they used last year. Truly, the only real issue, will be how much apathy the backer base has developed.

I still got some Malcontent dice. They just cost more than they should have. Anything that may cut into future profits.....

 Mike1975 wrote:
I still got some Malcontent dice. They just cost more than they should have. Anything that may cut into future profits.....

Now you are just trolling, heck of an friendemy you are for PB.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0VSNzmthd1vMWF0ZndUd3U4MEE/view?usp=sharing


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Just wish I could have used the official symbol

 Talizvar wrote:

 Mike1975 wrote:
I still got some Malcontent dice. They just cost more than they should have. Anything that may cut into future profits.....

Now you are just trolling, heck of an friendemy you are for PB.

I'm assuming he had 3rd party customs created.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 Talizvar wrote:

 Mike1975 wrote:
I still got some Malcontent dice. They just cost more than they should have. Anything that may cut into future profits.....

Now you are just trolling, heck of an friendemy you are for PB.

I'm assuming he had 3rd party customs created.

Actually Mike was making his own custom Malcontent dice to sell, when he said PB asked him to wait and they were going to do that, now i'm thinking they sent him a C&D.

Asterios wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 Talizvar wrote:

 Mike1975 wrote:
I still got some Malcontent dice. They just cost more than they should have. Anything that may cut into future profits.....

Now you are just trolling, heck of an friendemy you are for PB.

I'm assuming he had 3rd party customs created.

Actually Mike was making his own custom Malcontent dice to sell, when he said PB asked him to wait and they were going to do that, now i'm thinking they sent him a C&D.

I suspect Mike can speak for himself. So far, I can't think of a single time he's lied to us so why raise suspicions? IIRC he said he asked for permission ahead of time and it was given but later rescinded after he started taking orders (and the $$$ interest was shown). All those details fit into the existing paradigm of him trying to work within the constraints of what palladium allows and palladium willy nilly going back on their word whenever it suits them in the short term.

 Mike1975 wrote:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0VSNzmthd1vMWF0ZndUd3U4MEE/view?usp=sharing


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Just wish I could have used the official symbol

Clearly you should have had B_S produce and distribute them for you.


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 warboss wrote:
I suspect Mike can speak for himself. So far, I can't think of a single time he's lied to us so why raise suspicions? IIRC he said he asked for permission ahead of time and it was given but later rescinded after he started taking orders (and the $$$ interest was shown). All those details fit into the existing paradigm of him trying to work within the constraints of what palladium allows and palladium willy nilly going back on their word whenever it suits them in the short term.

However, it also fits with the paradigm of Mike generally trying to cast PB in the most forgiving light.

Merijeek wrote:
However, it also fits with the paradigm of Mike generally trying to cast PB in the most forgiving light.

Someone has to try to be the voice of reason when the pitchforks and torches are out and your house is made of straw (can I make a mixed metaphor or what?).
He wanted Robotech, it has happened!
PB is pretty much the only source so love 'em or hate 'em we are stuck.
Making the best of a situation could be considered being a realist.
The difference for me is after era 1 I have little interest in the rest of the line (cyclones and alpha / beta fighters are interestingly cool though...) so I am willing to cut connections and run.
Too bad for them that there is no license for derivative works so this is a dead line of product once all models are produced from the show.

I should be grateful that PB survived till now, I honestly thought "White Wolf Publishing" had put the last nail in their coffin.
But like any good zombie, they refuse to believe themselves dead and keep shambling on.
Their original works were awesome, the mechanics a bit finicky but serviceable all the same.
The MD mechanic at least did drive home the concept that some things were indestructible until you had the right equipment to deal with it.
The "Palladium Book of Weapons and Armour" is still worth getting as a reference, one of the few "drool-worthy" items in their stable.
It is funny looking at their "shop" list, I am surprised just how much of their product I had owned.
As far as I am concerned I owe them nothing, I had a couple people's wages covered for a year somewhere.

I think I am betting on RRT not really getting any traction with the gaming crowd and will be supported by fan-sites for "official" house rules.
If I see any evidence contrary to this mindset, then I might be more concerned with a FAQ and new model instructions for a living customer base.

Asterios wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 Talizvar wrote:

 Mike1975 wrote:
I still got some Malcontent dice. They just cost more than they should have. Anything that may cut into future profits.....

Now you are just trolling, heck of an friendemy you are for PB.

I'm assuming he had 3rd party customs created.

Actually Mike was making his own custom Malcontent dice to sell, when he said PB asked him to wait and they were going to do that, now i'm thinking they sent him a C&D.

Well I was buying through chessex. The symbol was not the official Malcontent one. If you get a bunch of people and make a big order the price drops from $1 per die to around $0.40 or even less plus the shipping is not as bad since 10 dice cost the same as 250 to ship. I was gathering a group to make a big order and would ship the individual orders out. Had about 800 dice total. I asked NMI if I could put it on the FOTM and was told that would be OK. Within a few days I received an email saying that they would rather not have to C and D me and to please stop. So I did stop the open solicitation and a much reduced group of us bought some dice.

 Talizvar wrote:
Making the best of a situation could be considered being a realist.

Possibly, sometimes, but unfortunately the rest of the time something else entirely is true:

“Reality is always controlled by the people who are the most insane.” ― Scott Adams

 Talizvar wrote:
The "Palladium Book of Weapons and Armour" is still worth getting as a reference, one of the few "drool-worthy" items in their stable.
It is funny looking at their "shop" list, I am surprised just how much of their product I had owned.
As far as I am concerned I owe them nothing, I had a couple people's wages covered for a year somewhere.

Same for me.
Just as recently as ~ten'ish years ago I had most all things for Beyond the Supernatural, Heroes Unlimited, Macross, PB-RPG, Rifts, Robotech, & TMNT/After the Bomb.
Now I have only the Weapons & Armor book.

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 Smilodon_UP wrote:

 Talizvar wrote:
Making the best of a situation could be considered being a realist.

Possibly, sometimes, but unfortunately the rest of the time something else entirely is true:

“Reality is always controlled by the people who are the most insane.” ― Scott Adams

It's a matter of simple perspective. Do I care about PB...a little, they seem to be nice guys.....do I care about RRT.....definitely. I want RRT to go on with or without PB. Since most people will not give anything 2 seconds if not official I must go that route and help however I can.


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Either that or I can join the rest and be upset at everything and wind up losing any influence at all with PB and not be able to do a darn thing to change anything at all.

 Mike1975 wrote:
Either that or I can join the rest and be upset at everything and wind up losing any influence at all with PB and not be able to do a darn thing to change anything at all.

What was it you got changed, again? Did you even manage to get half of those ten questions answered from...what was it, June?

 Smilodon_UP wrote:

 Talizvar wrote:
The "Palladium Book of Weapons and Armour" is still worth getting as a reference, one of the few "drool-worthy" items in their stable.
It is funny looking at their "shop" list, I am surprised just how much of their product I had owned.
As far as I am concerned I owe them nothing, I had a couple people's wages covered for a year somewhere.

Same for me.
Just as recently as ~ten'ish years ago I had most all things for Beyond the Supernatural, Heroes Unlimited, Macross, PB-RPG, Rifts, Robotech, & TMNT/After the Bomb.
Now I have only the Weapons & Armor book.

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Same here. I had a mostly complete TMNT collection (fav was transdimensional... turtles versus a dinosaur on the cover!), full original edition Macross2/Robotech (still have those), full rifts collection until about 2000 (or whenever the tolkeen war stuff started coming out), mostly complete HU (mix of revised and 2nd ed), and a smattering of other titles. I've since pared down to just about a half dozen of my favorite rifts books, three HU books, and robotech/macross2. I have some (but not all) of the "new" robotech RPG books bought after the KS ended when I was still optimistic about all this. They're now in my swap shop thread.

Actually since someone was blocked I can't see their posts when I sign in.

List of things changed
1. 10 questions, I think they answered 7 and 5 were good answers a couple more questionable.
2. Made a number of corrections to the rulebook and squadron cards that they approved that made the rules a bit cleared, although not as many as I had wanted, and the squadron cards had some numbers wrong.
3. The YF-4 and YF-4 leader almost wound up with different flight speeds in Fighter and Guardian
4. The Super VF speeds were corrected thanks to me catching it.
5. The Long-Range missile upgrade is to be made 6 missiles instead of the 8 listed in error.
6. A few things in the errata, although I have not seen the latest and greatest.
7. I'll help develop Southern Cross stuff and rules.

I could go on but those are a few off the top of my head.


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Oh and the Ghost had the missiles done completely wrong from the fluff and that was fixed too.

It royally pisses me off that Mike has a personal line to PB while everyone elses input amounts to mud.

No offense Mike but had they listened to some of the more experienced wargamers early on alot more than 5 questions would have been answered.

The amount of cronyism surrounding this game is going to be a huge part in curbing its market success in my opinion.

 Swabby wrote:
It royally pisses me off that Mike has a personal line to PB while everyone elses input amounts to mud.

No offense Mike but had they listened to some of the more experienced wargamers early on alot more than 5 questions would have been answered.

The amount of cronyism surrounding this game is going to be a huge part in curbing its market success in my opinion.

It's PB. Cronyism is a requirement.
Yes, it's bs. I should've expected nothing less - but I had hopes that Ninja Division was going to be more than a pretty name.

Yeah I fully agree with the ND thing. They are the only reason I put money in, the only one. I fully understand that makes me a sucker.

 Swabby wrote:
It royally pisses me off that Mike has a personal line to PB while everyone elses input amounts to mud.

No offense Mike but had they listened to some of the more experienced wargamers early on alot more than 5 questions would have been answered.

The amount of cronyism surrounding this game is going to be a huge part in curbing its market success in my opinion.

Well it was one of the reasons I sought to help PB in the first place. To be able to positively influence the output. As with any small company, and this is not the first time I playtested, they listen to those closest to them because they can't afford to have someone just sitting around with his eyes on the screen. It was exactly the same when I playtested with Agents of Gaming. While I understand your sentiment I also think its not realistic. PB is a small operation and does not have people who just sit around and gather thoughts and pass them on. I pass on what I can when something like problems with the rules or serious questions arise. I get what answers I can and bring them back. PB just does not have the manpower or will to watch every little comment. So you have a right to feel upset, you may even consider me a crony. I just try to help with what I can. With the present way things are and the situation you may ask for more but are unlikely to get it TBH.

 Mike1975 wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 Talizvar wrote:

 Mike1975 wrote:
I still got some Malcontent dice. They just cost more than they should have. Anything that may cut into future profits.....

Now you are just trolling, heck of an friendemy you are for PB.

I'm assuming he had 3rd party customs created.

Well I was buying through chessex. The symbol was not the official Malcontent one. If you get a bunch of people and make a big order the price drops from $1 per die to around $0.40 or even less plus the shipping is not as bad since 10 dice cost the same as 250 to ship.

Yup, that's exactly what I figured to be the case. Thanks for the follow up.

 warboss wrote:


Same here. I had a mostly complete TMNT collection (fav was transdimensional... turtles versus a dinosaur on the cover!), full original edition Macross2/Robotech (still have those), full rifts collection until about 2000 (or whenever the tolkeen war stuff started coming out), mostly complete HU (mix of revised and 2nd ed), and a smattering of other titles. I've since pared down to just about a half dozen of my favorite rifts books, three HU books, and robotech/macross2. I have some (but not all) of the "new" robotech RPG books bought after the KS ended when I was still optimistic about all this. They're now in my swap shop thread.

Please post a link to your trade thread. I'd love to see what's there.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Please post a link to your trade thread. I'd love to see what's there.

Warboss' Trade Thread.

Thanks for the link, Forar. If anyone is interested, feel free to PM me in order to keep the thread clear (and the mods from deploying singing "to be in love!" in red text).

 Swabby wrote:
Yeah I fully agree with the ND thing. They are the only reason I put money in, the only one. I fully understand that makes me a sucker.

Swabby. Know where you are going with that, and agree, but personally my reasons for backing go something like this.

1/ Well, you know, ROBOTECH!------------------------------< Not enough to back
2/ Ninja Division---------------------------------------------------< Going to back. Nice models that I've not been able to collect before.

but

3/ Palladium Books! ----------------------------------------------< Why I didn't go in for more, or actually get a full game type pledge.

So you are not technically alone - and we all know that misery loves company.