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I think it realy comes from the fact we have better comcs that everyone else.

 Beaviz81 wrote:
I don't question your intelligence, I question your sanity. I have called you insane, not stupid. Even though I find it puzzling how enlightened human beings turn the back on science, and I'm reading the fifth edition Space Wolves codex as we speak. Still haven't found the magic phrase that says Space Wolves turns into wolves for no good reason whatsoever.

Sanity is for the weak.
And Space Wolf fanboys who ignore proof that they have been given tend to be insane.

Anpu42 wrote:I think it realy comes from the fact we have better comcs that everyone else.

Indeed

 Beaviz81 wrote:

Sanity is for the weak.
And Space Wolf fanboys who ignore proof that they have been given.

What proof? That Wolves are barbarian in many behaviors? Never said otherwise.
BUT, they are more, and when I say more I mean MORE, efficient than many Chapters. And they could kick pretty much every other chapter's arse, but I think they would lose against Black Templar and the Sons of Sanguinius (Blood Angels, Angels Encarmine etc etc etc).

The Ultramarines would also certainly best them.

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 Beaviz81 wrote:
I don't question your intelligence, I question your sanity. I have called you insane, not stupid. Even though I find it puzzling how enlightened human beings turn the back on science, and I'm reading the fifth edition Space Wolves codex as we speak. Still haven't found the magic phrase that says Space Wolves turns into wolves for no good reason whatsoever.

Sanity is for the weak.
And Space Wolf fanboys who ignore proof that they have been given tend to be insane.

I accept it as one of the many contradicting possibilities which BL has presented, over and over again...
No matter how silly this sounds, I could really even be that theory about "spirit of fallen brothers" working as tutlaries ( because of the life circle on Fenris) or not to mention a joke to feth Hawser....
Anyway take it as you like....But this is just too silly to be true (IMO)....or perhaps not ???


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 Void__Dragon wrote:
The Ultramarines would also certainly best them.

You went to far with this

 Void__Dragon wrote:
The Ultramarines would also certainly best them.

Yep, they could, but certainly... nah. Fair fight, IMHO.
BUT, SW were created with the objective of being the EMPRAH executioners. Maybe this place them somewhat a little higher than the UM.
The Sons of Sanguinius are very, and I mean VERY, bonded. If you attack the BA, expect their successors chapters behind your back, 'cause an offense to one of 'em is an offense to all of 'em (quote 5th edition codex).
Black Templar have the Numbers, they're 5000/6000 marine vs the actual 3000 of the SW. 2:1

Sw have a whole 13th company of were-mofos which fight in the warp for a looooong looong tme....Anytime SW need a hand they emerge and kick arses...

 DarthMarko wrote:
I accept it as one of the many contradicting possibilities which BL has presented, over and over again...
No matter how silly this sounds, I could really even be that theory about "spirit of fallen brothers" working as tutlaries ( because of the life circle on Fenris) or not to mention a joke to feth Hawser....
Anyway take it as you like....But this is just too silly to be true (IMO)....or perhaps not ???

I can accept that.

What frustrated me was the notion that no evidence at all had been given, and then the bizarre attempt to disprove my evidence with science.

Now seriously V_D...why do you think BL puts that kind of teasers? Not just this, missing legions etc.

For example - when Magnus travels back to Terra and losing his strength, then that benevolent spirit gives him a ride, majority of people say "IT WAS TZEENCH, with a balloon full of deamons".....

I say nay - it could really be just a benevolent spirit who was spotted by Tzeench in a particular time moment.....


But people cling to that opinion....still ...


All I say leave your mind open

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 Orblivion wrote:
I don't have a problem with Space Wolves, I have a problem with their fans. I like SW fluff, but 9 out of 10 SW fans I have ever met in person seem more interested in them because they drink and brawl a lot. So to take SW fans' word for it, the Space Wolves are the obnoxious frat boys of 40k.

Well, I think degustibus describe it.
I like brawl, I like vikings, I like wolves, I like more their behavior than the other chapters Monk-like style, I don't like beer but meh.
So this make me what? Only 'cause I like Space Marine who behave more human-like (or savages, if you like this more)?

The missing Legions thing I think is just there to get the fanboys and the occasional heretical fangirl bonnerz, sparking discussion for something they will never resolve, and convincing people to buy their products in the vain hope otherwise (See: The Sigillite).

"There are no Wolves on Fenris" seems to be a specific hook on the story of the Spehss Wulves and Thousand Sons themselves, which might actually get resolved in a future release. Hard to tell.

Void__Dragon wrote:
What frustrated me was the notion that no evidence at all had been given, and then the bizarre attempt to disprove my evidence with science.

"Frustated"... wow o_o it's too much for a hobby. Back in topic it's not that I don't want to give this "point" to you, I simply follow what the Codex says. The Codex says Y, I believe in Y, but I know that Wolves are barbarians in SOME ways, but I also know that for me they're what a Space Marine should be. Opinions can't be changed by a piece of paper (I'm a book lover, so don't think I hate books or something). Also Codex > BL novels in canonicity (is that even a word? Dunno...)

DarthMarko wrote:Now seriously V_D...why do you think BL puts that kind of teasers? Not just this, missing legions etc.

Their objective is to make a book appealing, so they put in all they have. And usually they make excellent jobs.
IMHO

 PunkNeverDie110 wrote:

 Orblivion wrote:
I don't have a problem with Space Wolves, I have a problem with their fans. I like SW fluff, but 9 out of 10 SW fans I have ever met in person seem more interested in them because they drink and brawl a lot. So to take SW fans' word for it, the Space Wolves are the obnoxious frat boys of 40k.

Well, I think degustibus describe it.
I like brawl, I like vikings, I like wolves, I like more their behavior than the other chapters Monk-like style, I don't like beer but meh.
So this make me what? Only 'cause I like Space Marine who behave more human-like (or savages, if you like this more)?

I was attracted to their image because of all the folk/viking/pagan metal music that I listen to.
The soundtrack to an epic battle scene featuring the Space Wolves.

Given, some other Marine chapters also have some heavy metal looks to them like funeral doom for grim Dark Angels or power metal for the flowery Blood Angels, but I'm more into the heathen themed metal music. Especially if it has black metal influence like Moonsorrow or Nokturnal Mortum.

Manowar, Metallica and Heidevolk for my SW.....

I'mean just check "Vulgaris Magistralis" by Heidevolk or Manowar - Sons Of Odin ....It's like SW are in the background....

13th Company... eh... we don't talk about them ;D

Metallica? Lol no.

Basically, I associate SW with metal that is sung in a language other than English and contains folk instruments or keyboards that sound like folk instruments.

 Wilytank wrote:
Metallica? Lol no.

Basically, I associate SW with metal that is sung in a language other than English and contains folk instruments or keyboards that sound like folk instruments.

Just meaning to say one song : "Of wolf and man"...
like from the Zeppelin - "Immigrant song"

But yes norse pagan metal fits best....a little "flop" by me


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 Haskell wrote:
13th Company... eh... we don't talk about them ;D

But they come to aid - if bad things happen to their little brothers....

 PunkNeverDie110 wrote:

Indeed

Spoiler:

Well-drawn comic perhaps. Well-written...eeeehhhhhHHhhhHHHhhhHhhh. This is not really a jab at SW, but every time I read that comic, the more issues I find with it.

 curran12 wrote:

 PunkNeverDie110 wrote:

Indeed

Spoiler:

Well-drawn comic perhaps. Well-written...eeeehhhhhHHhhhHHHhhhHhhh. This is not really a jab at SW, but every time I read that comic, the more issues I find with it.

Well, it is made by a SW fan, of course it have obvious bias .

 PunkNeverDie110 wrote:


Well, it is made by a SW fan, of course it have obvious bias .

Again, it really isn't about bias. It's more about me wondering if this person has ever met a woman in...ever. The Sisters are amazingly poorly written, pretty much ranging from "loud but ultimately helpless" to "silent and helpless" or even the dramatic "aggressive for a bit THEN helpless." It's not so much a pro-SW bias, but a sense of needing babes to rescue, and so the Sisters characters are rendered utterly useless, pretty much damsels in distress for the big manly men and their cock-guns to save.

It's good action and the art is fantastic, don't get me wrong, it is a cut above most 40k fan comics. But it could have been so much better in the writing department. Instead it is just really boring and overused tropes.

 curran12 wrote:

 PunkNeverDie110 wrote:


Well, it is made by a SW fan, of course it have obvious bias .

Again, it really isn't about bias. It's more about me wondering if this person has ever met a woman in...ever. The Sisters are amazingly poorly written, pretty much ranging from "loud but ultimately helpless" to "silent and helpless" or even the dramatic "aggressive for a bit THEN helpless." It's not so much a pro-SW bias, but a sense of needing babes to rescue, and so the Sisters characters are rendered utterly useless, pretty much damsels in distress for the big manly men and their cock-guns to save.

It's good action and the art is fantastic, don't get me wrong, it is a cut above most 40k fan comics. But it could have been so much better in the writing department. Instead it is just really boring and overused tropes.

Perhaps a metroid crossover is needed to show them a power armored woman who could obliterate primarchs.

(I'm serious, her basic guns have terawatt/kiloton level output)

 curran12 wrote:

 PunkNeverDie110 wrote:


Well, it is made by a SW fan, of course it have obvious bias .

Again, it really isn't about bias. It's more about me wondering if this person has ever met a woman in...ever. The Sisters are amazingly poorly written, pretty much ranging from "loud but ultimately helpless" to "silent and helpless" or even the dramatic "aggressive for a bit THEN helpless." It's not so much a pro-SW bias, but a sense of needing babes to rescue, and so the Sisters characters are rendered utterly useless, pretty much damsels in distress for the big manly men and their cock-guns to save.

It's good action and the art is fantastic, don't get me wrong, it is a cut above most 40k fan comics. But it could have been so much better in the writing department. Instead it is just really boring and overused tropes.

Agreed, though we don't see the Sisters very much either after the battle against the EC. For the main sister, is another whole story.



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 Kain wrote:

Perhaps a metroid crossover is needed to show them a power armored woman who could obliterate primarchs.

(I'm serious, her basic guns have terawatt/kiloton level output)

Primarchs are demi-gods, your argoument is invalid

 PunkNeverDie110 wrote:

 curran12 wrote:

 PunkNeverDie110 wrote:


Well, it is made by a SW fan, of course it have obvious bias .

Again, it really isn't about bias. It's more about me wondering if this person has ever met a woman in...ever. The Sisters are amazingly poorly written, pretty much ranging from "loud but ultimately helpless" to "silent and helpless" or even the dramatic "aggressive for a bit THEN helpless." It's not so much a pro-SW bias, but a sense of needing babes to rescue, and so the Sisters characters are rendered utterly useless, pretty much damsels in distress for the big manly men and their cock-guns to save.

It's good action and the art is fantastic, don't get me wrong, it is a cut above most 40k fan comics. But it could have been so much better in the writing department. Instead it is just really boring and overused tropes.

Agreed, though we don't see the Sisters very much either after the battle against the EC. For the main sister, is another whole story.



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 Kain wrote:

Perhaps a metroid crossover is needed to show them a power armored woman who could obliterate primarchs.

(I'm serious, her basic guns have terawatt/kiloton level output)

Primarchs are demi-gods, your argoument is invalid

Samus is the last heir to the warrior tradition of a civilization that dominated multiple galaxies and functioned at a superhuman level on a planet with over 800 times the mass of the earth. Where is your demigod now?

 Kain wrote:

Samus is the last heir to the warrior tradition of a civilization that dominated multiple galaxies and functioned at a superhuman level on a planet with over 800 times the mass of the earth. Where is your demigod now?

Behind your and Samus backs, waitin' for you to turn and THEN obliterate you

 PunkNeverDie110 wrote:

 Kain wrote:

Samus is the last heir to the warrior tradition of a civilization that dominated multiple galaxies and functioned at a superhuman level on a planet with over 800 times the mass of the earth. Where is your demigod now?

Behind your and Samus backs, waitin' for you to turn and THEN obliterate you

And then she one shots them with the weakest weapon in metroid.

And then a single space pirate obliterates an entire space marine chapter and calmly shrugs off Titan fire.

Metroid just has 40k beaten hands down in biggatons.

 PunkNeverDie110 wrote:


Agreed, though we don't see the Sisters very much either after the battle against the EC. For the main sister, is another whole story.

From what we've seen, I'd disagree that she is another story. She is STILL a damsel in distress 99% of the time. And it is such a tone-breaking thing. She is a Sister of BATTLE and most of the time, even in the middle of a fight, she is either looking scared or just clueless. She has her occasional little "RAARRR ANGRY SUPER SAIYAN" thing, but please. That is used pretty much to keep her alive long enough for the big manly man to come do the REAL fight. It's dumb. The rest of her activities are her being protected by Brick Flanksteak the Space Wolf and being all passed out.

And the Sister Superior? Even worse. She's supposed to be one of the best...until she instantly corrupts and goes full demon in the space of what? 0 seconds? Bullcrap.

 Kain wrote:

Perhaps a metroid crossover is needed to show them a power armored woman who could obliterate primarchs.

(I'm serious, her basic guns have terawatt/kiloton level output)

Long as Team Ninja isn't writing it.

 curran12 wrote:


From what we've seen, I'd disagree that she is another story. She is STILL a damsel in distress 99% of the time. And it is such a tone-breaking thing. She is a Sister of BATTLE and most of the time, even in the middle of a fight, she is either looking scared or just clueless. She has her occasional little "RAARRR ANGRY SUPER SAIYAN" thing, but please. That is used pretty much to keep her alive long enough for the big manly man to come do the REAL fight. It's dumb. The rest of her activities are her being protected by Brick Flanksteak the Space Wolf and being all passed out.

And the Sister Superior? Even worse. She's supposed to be one of the best...until she instantly corrupts and goes full demon in the space of what? 0 seconds? Bullcrap.

You misunderstood. With "another whole story" I mean we see her like always, but she is still a damsel in distress, while the SoB were seen only during the EC fight.

 PunkNeverDie110 wrote:

You misunderstood. With "another whole story" I mean we see her like always, but she is still a damsel in distress, while the SoB were seen only during the EC fight.

Does she STOP being a SoB at some point? I'm sorry, but I don't follow you.

 curran12 wrote:

 PunkNeverDie110 wrote:


Agreed, though we don't see the Sisters very much either after the battle against the EC. For the main sister, is another whole story.

From what we've seen, I'd disagree that she is another story. She is STILL a damsel in distress 99% of the time. And it is such a tone-breaking thing. She is a Sister of BATTLE and most of the time, even in the middle of a fight, she is either looking scared or just clueless. She has her occasional little "RAARRR ANGRY SUPER SAIYAN" thing, but please. That is used pretty much to keep her alive long enough for the big manly man to come do the REAL fight. It's dumb. The rest of her activities are her being protected by Brick Flanksteak the Space Wolf and being all passed out.

And the Sister Superior? Even worse. She's supposed to be one of the best...until she instantly corrupts and goes full demon in the space of what? 0 seconds? Bullcrap.

 Kain wrote:

Perhaps a metroid crossover is needed to show them a power armored woman who could obliterate primarchs.

(I'm serious, her basic guns have terawatt/kiloton level output)

Long as Team Ninja isn't writing it.

THERE WAS NO OTHER M! NOPE NOPENOPENOPENOPENOPE!

LALALALALALALALAALALALALALA I'M NOT LISTENING!!!!

 curran12 wrote:


Does she STOP being a SoB at some point? I'm sorry, but I don't follow you.

Let's put it this way:
the SoB force is seen only in the battle vs the ECs, so the fact that they acted like damsels is ok, 'cause we see them only ONCE,
The problem is that the main Sister, we see her always, and the fact that she quite always act like a damsel is no good.
Basically: I agree with you.