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Not surprised, its almost like the legal boys are trying to one up each other or something. Its like watching a car accident. You know it's gunna be bad but you can't stop watching.

Management need to suffer the wrath of 10,000 wippy sticks

 erewego86 wrote:
They have the right ability to control images they've created until release at least.

 azreal13 wrote:

 GrandInquisitorOrdoXenos wrote:
i have always felt that the best way to deal with an spoiled unruly turd is a firm slap down .

GW did this , and will CONTINUE to do this kind of thing because they know they can . they know they peeve the players off , but they also know that those customers ........most of those customers will continue to buy their products no matter hpw childish and geedy GW acts , because they have been doing this kind of thing for a long time now , and people are still buying their products .

if players really wanted to flex their muscles , and get GWs attention , they would unite , and boycotthe company for a week or 2 . haveing their sales drop to zero for a week would hit them where they hit the customers . sadly though , we all know that players wont do that ; instead being content to be abused and treated like the enemy , as they always have been

No, they haven't always been. Some of us remember a GW that was collaborative and supportive, or at least did a much, much better job of appearing to be. Sadly, that is a long time ago, and possibly in a galaxy far, far away.

no , they have always screwed players , from the first days of 40K (about 24 years ago) when their prices were high , blister sleeves were ALL random (despite uniform unit building requirements ) and parts were often missing when you got the package open , oh and lets not forget books that were "bound" in word only .

later they moved on to hard core WYSiWYG , dropping game support for many of their more popular lines (necromunda) , GW models ONLY for competitions . and lets not forget the FIRST "vehicle manual" at they transitioned to second ed , they completely changed the vehicle rules so you really needed to buy the manual , THEN , 6 months later they change the rules AGAIN , so that the manual you bought was useless .

and now they strong arm the fan sites for trying to help them , and are trying to cut retailers out of their sales model .

they have been screwing customers for 25 years now , and yet poeple still race to fork over money , hand over fist . every one complains , but then grabs their wallet to race out and buy the next item they MUST get to keep their armies competative . i gave up GW a long while back , and only come here for the community and to see what other people do as it relates to the OTHER games i DO play , because this site is AWESOME , a great place to share ideas on how to do things ............................ until GW gets around to going after DAKKA for one reason or another , cause we all know they are looking for one !

the bloggoshpere is FULL of posts by thousands of people WISHING or HOPING GW will learn or see that what they are doing is hurting them self by going after the fans , but its NOT hurting them as long as everyone else here keeps accepting the same treatment , GW has no reason to change , and all YOUR money as an incentive to keep doing things the exact same way . i dont need to pay to have some one treat me like SH*% , but apparently many of the people here do , so it will never change .

to those out there that complain about what GW does , i would say do something about it , or stop complaining . you have no reson to cry foul if you are going to keep rewarding them for their bad behavior , and incase you didint notice ; there are OTHER games out there made by OTHER companies , that actually LIKE having customers buy and promote their products !

 Dozer Blades wrote:

Mohoc wrote:
From Faeit:
http://youtu.be/6S7I-UdcE8c

Drama lama!

Whats valhalla, is that a tournament?

 spacewolf407 wrote:

 Dozer Blades wrote:

Mohoc wrote:
From Faeit:
http://youtu.be/6S7I-UdcE8c

Drama lama!

Whats valhalla, is that a tournament?

It is a gaming retreat. If Faeit's blog was still up, I could have explained it better, as he had a nice article about it.

 spacewolf407 wrote:

 Dozer Blades wrote:

Mohoc wrote:
From Faeit:
http://youtu.be/6S7I-UdcE8c

Drama lama!

Whats valhalla, is that a tournament?

Valhalla is the most wonderful place on Earth!

Wow. Valhalla ain't cheap.

Well. It's fething Valhalla, right?!

Not Shelbyville or Riverdale!

 pretre wrote:
Wow. Valhalla ain't cheap.

Actually it makes since to me even though I could never afford to go. It's like a week long event and lodging and food are included. You'll probly pay something similar if you buy the event pass and have to use a motel for the same amount of time. Plus they have to make a little profit to hold the event.

Looks loads of fun but I can't justify spending that kind of dough for a vacation just for me. My wife would be bored since she doesn't game and my daughter would be getting into everything. I would feel much better going somewhere that I know my whole family will enjoy together. But I still dream of Valhalla

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

 pretre wrote:

Turn your phone sideways!!! edit: Wow, he just made a dig at Dakka "I do NOT like to post there."

That was fairly weird, he just lost my support.

Noone steps on a church in my town.

Gonna be honest, I never actually read his blog anyway. Like everyone else, I wanted to see the pics but I don't actually play Eldar so it isn't a huge loss.

 pretre wrote:
Wow. Valhalla ain't cheap.

It's about the same as an all-inclusive resort, which is what they are, just for wargaming. Out of my budget completely, but still interesting were I ever to have a noteworthy amount of money.

I just fell in love with Valhalla...

It's on my "Someday" list.

I'd rather go when some folks I knew were going, rather than playing with all strangers. Also, getting my models out there would be a pain.

 kronk wrote:
It's on my "Someday" list.

I'd rather go when some folks I knew were going, rather than playing with all strangers. Also, getting my models out there would be a pain.

They do offer to let you use their studio models.

If I could stomach being in close proximity of Gately, I'd be down with it . That man is too energetic for a relaxing vacation.
Note: Met him at AdeptiCon, he's easily double my age, and is running around like a spry spring chicken...

Valhalla is definitely something that BTP does very well!

So when Dakka gets the DMCA notice and we Kickstart Yakface's legal defense fund. The top perk will be a Dakka week at Valhalla?

 d-usa wrote:
So when Dakka gets the DMCA notice and we Kickstart Yakface's legal defense fund. The top perk will be a Dakka week at Valhalla?

Ohh, that was good. Kickstarter and GW Legal Practices in the same post. I feel you could have fit some more things in there, maybe a Finecast reference?

I hope everything works out for those guys.

 pretre wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
So when Dakka gets the DMCA notice and we Kickstart Yakface's legal defense fund. The top perk will be a Dakka week at Valhalla?

Ohh, that was good. Kickstarter and GW Legal Practices in the same post. I feel you could have fit some more things in there, maybe a Finecast reference?

I figured everybody knew that the top backer gets their likeness made into a Finecast figure.

Which will be sold by re-casters everywhere.

 d-usa wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
So when Dakka gets the DMCA notice and we Kickstart Yakface's legal defense fund. The top perk will be a Dakka week at Valhalla?

Ohh, that was good. Kickstarter and GW Legal Practices in the same post. I feel you could have fit some more things in there, maybe a Finecast reference?

I figured everybody knew that the top backer gets their likeness made into a Finecast figure.

Which will be sold by re-casters everywhere.

Better, better. Now get Ward in there somehow and a dino-bot reference and you're golden.

You guys are viciously off-topic. As DCM's I expect better from you. Warnings will be imminently handed out, get back to the topic or stop posting in here.

Very true, sorry...

DMCA's are a funny business. The purpose and process of sending DMCA notices is pretty legit and has it's uses. But just like C&D letters it is a system that is easy to abuse. Google is usually pretty good about getting to the root of the problem and AFAIK actually gives the person that is accused of something a chance to explain themselves (at least that has been my experience).

As dirty as it makes me feel I have actually send one DMCA takedown notice myself once in a Dakka related manner (the root of which shall not be named). It was effective and solved the problem.

But you don't even have to go through a fancy lawyer or type up a letter. I just went through a form on Google's website to let them know "one of your blogs is hosting stuff that I have a copyright over and that I didn't authorize". I didn't even have to send proof other than "I certify that I speak the truth!" So while the law has good intentions it makes it very easy for frivolous claims to surface.

Hopefully on topic:

Apparently from what I read in an article linked in this thread, Bell of Lost Souls is planning on moving because of this incident, to a more secure and controllable host-- one that won't be as likely to remove its content in the future?

Should be interesting. I wonder if that'll have any real effect.

As has been stated earlier in the thread, I'm pretty sure that you get to pick two: secure, good and cheap.

 Melissia wrote:
Hopefully on topic:

Apparently from what I read in an article linked in this thread, Bell of Lost Souls is planning on moving because of this incident, to a more secure and controllable host-- one that won't be as likely to remove its content in the future?

Should be interesting. I wonder if that'll have any real effect.

Iceland has some good hosts that don't mind standing up to that kind of thing AFAIK.

But right now FAEIT 212 has a host that I assume is free.

To take advantage of a more secure hosting service he would have to register a domain and pay for hosting. Not sure if all that is worth the trouble and money for him.

 d-usa wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Hopefully on topic:

Apparently from what I read in an article linked in this thread, Bell of Lost Souls is planning on moving because of this incident, to a more secure and controllable host-- one that won't be as likely to remove its content in the future?

Should be interesting. I wonder if that'll have any real effect.

Iceland has some good hosts that don't mind standing up to that kind of thing AFAIK.

Such as? This is real curiosity on my part not skepticism.

evancich wrote:
I think some of you are missing the point.

GW is a model company. One of the main things they are worried about is re-casts.

If somebody leaks pictures good enough for a re-caster to get start on the model and that re-caster gets the faux model in the channel before GW, that is very bad for GW.

I think in addition to protecting their IP, GW is attempting to stop pre-release fake models.

If the quality is roughly the same and the price of a re-cast is far, far less, many people would buy that model, especially if they can get their hands on it before the "official" model is released.

I think part of the trouble the rumor sites got into was the 3d model that was made from the pix they released. GW, I'm sure, is very worried about this.

Can you point to the flood of pirated copies of Privateer, Corvus Belli, Spartan, Wyrd (etc, etc) releases that come from people copying their previews?

My question is, are they recasters if they sculpt a model based on a preview picture from a magazine? Don't recasters usually acquire the model, cast it, and then sell it?

 OverwatchCNC wrote:

 d-usa wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Hopefully on topic:

Apparently from what I read in an article linked in this thread, Bell of Lost Souls is planning on moving because of this incident, to a more secure and controllable host-- one that won't be as likely to remove its content in the future?

Should be interesting. I wonder if that'll have any real effect.

Iceland has some good hosts that don't mind standing up to that kind of thing AFAIK.

Such as? This is real curiosity on my part not skepticism.

Not sure about the details. One of the groups I am associated with relocated their hosting to Iceland for purposes of protected hosting against takedowns. I think Wikileaks and the Pirate Bay did the same, but I'm not entirely certain.

But it really depends on how much time, effort, and money Faeit wants to put into this to stand up to a bully. It could be just as likely that he will just take his bag and go home and figure that this is just not worth it.

He said he is going to bring the site back up when he gets back from Valhalla.

The simplest way to do it would be to make Faeit213 and then just not directly host scans of WD pages. Use some other file-hosting service to hold the pictures themselves and link to them.