Iron Man 3 Discussion *SPOILERS*

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**H.B.M.C.**

reds8n wrote:
Some were just small things -- how did he get the suit onto Air Force 1 ?

Which suit? The Iron Patrion? It walked on. The MK.43? It wasn't on Air Force 1. Tony flew it there.

**wowsmash**

I really enjoyed the movie. I wish that we could have seen more of the suits to see what made some of them more special. Would love to have seen tony using the terminator looking one. Loved it. Was bummed that they kind of wasted the guy playing the mandarin on the videos. He really cam across more as an evil villain than the actual mandarin. Loved the comedy escpeially with the kid. Wasn't really big on the panic attacks though. Seemed kinda lame and kept breaking the whole super hero vib to me.

**reds8n**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
reds8n wrote:
Some were just small things -- how did he get the suit onto Air Force 1 ?

Which suit? The Iron Patrion? It walked on. The MK.43? It wasn't on Air Force 1. Tony flew it there.

Yeah.. and then the Iron Man suit was on board having the big fight, which leads to the explosive decompression which leads to the barrel of monkeys sky diving bit.

.. so how did the suit get on board ?

**Ahtman**

reds8n wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
reds8n wrote:
Some were just small things -- how did he get the suit onto Air Force 1 ?

Which suit? The Iron Patrion? It walked on. The MK.43? It wasn't on Air Force 1. Tony flew it there.

Yeah.. and then the Iron Man suit was on board having the big fight, which leads to the explosive decompression which leads to the barrel of monkeys sky diving bit.

.. so how did the suit get on board ?

I thought he flew in through the hole the explosion left, though not the one where all the people got sucked out. It has been to many days that I don't recall with perfect clarity, but I do remember him punching through a window, but I honestly can't recall how he actually boarded either.

**reds8n**

IIRC he's just there, and ahs the fight with the Extremis enhanced super soldier ?

Blasts him through the chest and quips merrily, as is traditional no ?

..

I was also a bit bemused at how the suits have power ... don't they run off of the .. ARC ? .. reactor/power source in his chest or somesuch ?

**H.B.M.C.**

Yeah it wasn't on board. It flew there. The first thing it did was smash through the window to get at him.

**SagesStone**

Maybe he put a weaker power generator into them so they'd work remotely?

**Mr Morden**

I think that does make sense and also explains their relative weakness when Tony is not actually in them?

He must have developed a suitable independant power souce as otherwise the Iron Patriot suit would not work at all?

**reds8n**

Maybe, it's an impressive bit of kit for sure.

Can be rendered inoperative by a firey handshake, transported from Pakistan to America in a couple of hours, hammered and cut upon to try and open it to no avail, then flown by someone with no training or experience to Air Force 1, then can take out a whole bunch of armed guards and then be remotely piloted/flown back to the HQ whilst containing the President.

Seems a better bit of kit than any of Stark's armours to be honest.

**SagesStone**

At least it ejects him when the stomach area starts to get a bit hot. He might have gotten a bit uncomfortable.

**reds8n**

I thought at first we were going to see Stark use an override/similar and he was going to reboot the patriot armour and use that to escape/kick ass...

.. which in turn would see Rhodey take over the Iron Man armour.

.. but instead we had his repaired suit flying 800 miles + and joining up with him.

Ho hum.

**SagesStone**

Then the best thing it does is self destruct, finally.

**Ahtman**

It was mentioned at one point that AIM did some work on the Iron Patriot (I believe upgrades is what they said) for the government so it shouldn't be to much of a stretch to believe that they knew enough about it to learn how to use it.

**Mr Morden**

Iron man 2 - Rhodey uses it as well so agian msut have its own power supply. Pepper uses the suit in IM3.

I would think all the suits have at least Aux power now minimum.

Tony continues to epxeriment with the arc reactor - see Avengers as well.

**Redbeard**

Valkyrie wrote:
3: Is it too much to ask to tone down the product placement? The scene where Stark's house is falling into the sea, you see a brief flash of the Audi logo on screen for a miniscule amount of time like a subliminal message. It could have been my imagination but it seemed pretty real to me... Parts where company logos just happen to be placed in the area just between to conversing characters, just makes you feel like you're in one big 130 min advert.

This - and I'm a developer for Oracle (yeah, we just spent a month writing code for Tony to use...

) The one that really seemed out of place was the Downton Abbey one. Like he actually announced the time and channel. At least Audi makes sense (from a Tony's a jetsetter perspective) and Oracle makes sense (technology). Do they really think there's a huge crossover audience between Iron Man and Downton?

**H.B.M.C.**

The Downton Abbey one did feel a bit like obvious product placement. I doubt the show needs much more exposure.

Oh, and Marvel's façade has begun to crack.

**reds8n**

http://insidemovies.ew.com/2013/05/06/how-did-downton-abbey-end-up-getting-a-shout-out-in-iron-man-3-its-quite-simple-really/

ookkaayy..

I wonder if it was down to the director ?

http://www.vulture.com/2013/04/why-iron-man-3s-director-ruled-hollywood.html

**LordofHats**

I had fun, but definitely enjoyed the other two films more.

And yeah. How did Pepper's Bra survive? The power of family appropriateness no doubt

**reds8n**

.. You might be onto something there

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news/a479172/iron-man-3-cut-pepper-potts-sex-tape-scene-says-shane-black.html

Iron Man 3 director Shane Black has revealed that an early version of the superhero movie's script featured a Pepper Potts sex tape.

.. if you listen carefully you can hear Walt turning in his grave

**Ahtman**

In the Ultimates there is a leaked sex tape of Tony and Black Widow, so maybe that is the inspiration.

I joke about the bra not burning, but considering the heat put off by the recipients of the virus, I imagine they are put in heat resistant clothing, though I doubt it survives the 3000 degree explosions if the patient can't 'regulate'.

**reiner**

Redbeard wrote:
Valkyrie wrote:
3: Is it too much to ask to tone down the product placement? The scene where Stark's house is falling into the sea, you see a brief flash of the Audi logo on screen for a miniscule amount of time like a subliminal message. It could have been my imagination but it seemed pretty real to me... Parts where company logos just happen to be placed in the area just between to conversing characters, just makes you feel like you're in one big 130 min advert.

This - and I'm a developer for Oracle (yeah, we just spent a month writing code for Tony to use... ) The one that really seemed out of place was the Downton Abbey one. Like he actually announced the time and channel. At least Audi makes sense (from a Tony's a jetsetter perspective) and Oracle makes sense (technology). Do they really think there's a huge crossover audience between Iron Man and Downton?

The 1.6 million dollar Oracle Exadata in the random Tennessee affiliate news van made me burst out in the theater. I felt pretty alone in that packed theater at that moment, though...

**wowsmash**

That's a bummer, I hate when they have to change the actors on squeals. It really breaks the story for me.

**Ahtman**

I thought this was well said, and may help with the 'why did he destroy the suits?' question.

The issues in this film were really subtle.

Like the whole "I am Iron Man" bit, that literally all of my friends missed. The way the kid refers to the suit as Iron Man, and Tony as the mechanic. Then there's the way Tony uses his suit as a shell to protect himself from the outside world; because he's only human, but in the suit he's like a god; how when he's remembering "New York", the focus is on his powered down suit as he helplessly plummets; like how he gets his anxiety attack once he realizes his suit might be beyond repair, and only calms down once the kid reminds him that he could build something else.

That's just a subtle hint, just the nudge in the right direction; that he can create the suit, and he can improve on the suit. It shifts his view of himself slightly. Its not the near-death experience, or the fighting; its the feeling that he is nothing without the suit. That the suit is the only thing that can keep him and his loved ones safe.

The ending, where he reiterates that he knows who he is, he's Iron Man... That was just a lovely, understated way to round out the conflict he'd been facing throughout the film. He's come to terms with everything. He doesn't need the core actually embedded in his chest any more; he's confident in himself as a human, not as a super human.

**LordofHats**

Ahtman wrote:
I thought this was well said, and may help with the 'why did he destroy the suits?' question.

The issues in this film were really subtle.

Like the whole "I am Iron Man" bit, that literally all of my friends missed. The way the kid refers to the suit as Iron Man, and Tony as the mechanic. Then there's the way Tony uses his suit as a shell to protect himself from the outside world; because he's only human, but in the suit he's like a god; how when he's remembering "New York", the focus is on his powered down suit as he helplessly plummets; like how he gets his anxiety attack once he realizes his suit might be beyond repair, and only calms down once the kid reminds him that he could build something else.

That's just a subtle hint, just the nudge in the right direction; that he can create the suit, and he can improve on the suit. It shifts his view of himself slightly. Its not the near-death experience, or the fighting; its the feeling that he is nothing without the suit. That the suit is the only thing that can keep him and his loved ones safe.

The ending, where he reiterates that he knows who he is, he's Iron Man... That was just a lovely, understated way to round out the conflict he'd been facing throughout the film. He's come to terms with everything. He doesn't need the core actually embedded in his chest any more; he's confident in himself as a human, not as a super human.

I had a friend who went to the movie and walked out of it thinking Tony Stark would no longer be Iron Man and that someone else would take up the mantel. I wonder how many people missed all that subtly and jumped to the same conclusion.

**warpcrafter**

Soladrin wrote:
It's because the vocals from AC/DC sound like someones manhandling a cat.

Silence heretic!

**timetowaste85**

I was a bit uneasy about the Mandarin twist, but now that you've pointed out it has a connection to the second film (already realized the connection with the first), I wholeheartedly approve. My BIG issue is that they Disney'd the film: they gave him a little kid as a sidekick. "I need help, and I can count on a 10-year old with a potato gun to do everything for me." Very Disney, and it felt wrong. Of course, when the kid asks if Tony is gonna just walk away like the kid's dad, and Tony responds "Yup", well, it made the kid scenes tolerable. Still...bad Disney! Bad! Sleep in the corner, you awful mouse!

**Mannahnin**

I thought they did a good job with the kid. He wasn't too cloying.

**whembly**

I haven't see the movie yet(I will tomorrow), so I hope this hasn't been posted yet...

This is why I have a man-crush on Jr:

Gentlemen... that is exhibit A of an "Alpha Male".

**ashrog**

Good overall film, it was a lot of fun. In addition to the Extremis storyline, I also got shades of the Five Nightmares arc. Now, time to nitpick!

Ahtman wrote:
I thought this was well said, and may help with the 'why did he destroy the suits?' question.

The issues in this film were really subtle.

Like the whole "I am Iron Man" bit, that literally all of my friends missed. The way the kid refers to the suit as Iron Man, and Tony as the mechanic. Then there's the way Tony uses his suit as a shell to protect himself from the outside world; because he's only human, but in the suit he's like a god; how when he's remembering "New York", the focus is on his powered down suit as he helplessly plummets; like how he gets his anxiety attack once he realizes his suit might be beyond repair, and only calms down once the kid reminds him that he could build something else.

That's just a subtle hint, just the nudge in the right direction; that he can create the suit, and he can improve on the suit. It shifts his view of himself slightly. Its not the near-death experience, or the fighting; its the feeling that he is nothing without the suit. That the suit is the only thing that can keep him and his loved ones safe.

The ending, where he reiterates that he knows who he is, he's Iron Man... That was just a lovely, understated way to round out the conflict he'd been facing throughout the film. He's come to terms with everything. He doesn't need the core actually embedded in his chest any more; he's confident in himself as a human, not as a super human.

...Except that the suit is the only thing that keeps his loved ones safe. If he hadn't had multiple suits stashed away, Tony, Pepper and Rhodey would all have died. And then Tony destroys them all? Maybe he plans to build a new suit. But what will he do in case of a supervillain attack between now and then?

Also, the movie would have been half as long if Tony had prepared for the eventual attack on his home. Especially after he gave the Mandarin his home address. Surely Jarvis has some kind of early detection system that can spot attack helicopters? Or he could just invite Bruce to stay over for a couple days?

Also, is the confrontation between Tony and Killian even a fight? The Iron Man suit can fly and has multiple ranged weapons, vs a guy who has to be within arms reach to do any damage. Could have had Killian in the Iron Patriot suit for a more evenly matched fight... though I guess they already did the "bad guy gets armor" angle in both of the other movies.

**Lordhat**

Ahtman wrote:
I thought this was well said, and may help with the 'why did he destroy the suits?' question.

The issues in this film were really subtle.

Like the whole "I am Iron Man" bit, that literally all of my friends missed. The way the kid refers to the suit as Iron Man, and Tony as the mechanic. Then there's the way Tony uses his suit as a shell to protect himself from the outside world; because he's only human, but in the suit he's like a god; how when he's remembering "New York", the focus is on his powered down suit as he helplessly plummets; like how he gets his anxiety attack once he realizes his suit might be beyond repair, and only calms down once the kid reminds him that he could build something else.

That's just a subtle hint, just the nudge in the right direction; that he can create the suit, and he can improve on the suit. It shifts his view of himself slightly. Its not the near-death experience, or the fighting; its the feeling that he is nothing without the suit. That the suit is the only thing that can keep him and his loved ones safe.

The ending, where he reiterates that he knows who he is, he's Iron Man... That was just a lovely, understated way to round out the conflict he'd been facing throughout the film. He's come to terms with everything. He doesn't need the core actually embedded in his chest any more; he's confident in himself as a human, not as a super human.

I felt let down by the PTSD 'arc'. It had all this build up, and then the kid tells him to build something, and he was cured...... it was very interesting and I was hoping for some character development.