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http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/07/us/pentagon-sexual-assault-report/index.html?c=us

Just a quick read there
   
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 d-usa wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/07/us/pentagon-sexual-assault-report/index.html?c=us

Just a quick read there


About 5 years ago the AF began the SARC program, which created a couple differant paths for victims to report sexual assaults. They could do a full unrestricted disclosure, which would lead to an investigation, and all of the trimmings, or they could do a restricted one that would basically just lead to the victim receiving the needed treatment, and letting statistics pretty much be gathered. Restricted reports would keep things anonymous.

I'm not sure if the other branches have done something similar, but I do know that this program has certainly led to more people reporting now then before.

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I'm pretty much more of the "Lead, Follow or Get out my way" kind of NCO.....I do so tactfully towards senior NCO's and officers.....junior officers I clamp on right off the bat espacially before a deployment.. The term "I'm a --->whateverrank<--- can do whatever I want" tells me the individual carreer going to end badly.

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We were both butter bars when we met (1991) and got married (1992, she was in flight school and I was finishing up the armor course) and never in the same unit, so never broke any rules there. I got off active duty in the fall of 2000 (and have been an Army contractor ever since) and she is still on active duty.

Having said that I was known to have all my TCs and gunners over for beer and BBQ when a PLT LDR, and as a CO CDR I had my 1SG, PSGs and SLs over many times, or would link up with them for a few beers at the club. Heck, I've been known to accidently find a few cases of chilled beer in the motorpool to help with recovery efforts.... We've had my wife's ossifers and NCOs and their families over to our place to burn meat and drink good beverages and have the kids fish in the pond and ride the horses.

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Thats pretty cool Jake...my first marriage my ex went to OCS and made it...she was acccepted off the bat from letters by Keene and Kernan. She was their crewchief for their Hawk....6/101st....we also had the pathfinder company...which was more funny because their COC I knew back when I was a Fister...BBQ's were an interesting draw out in the country...mix of Infantry and Aviation. Good times


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It is hardly a culture Dogma. Over the last decade the military has unbelievably cracked down on this. It got so bad that there were years I was attending "training" that was little more then people screaming at me that I'm a rapist because I'm a guy and I should be castrated (slight exageration on my part).

I'm not a psychologist or anything, but I imagine the high stress life that we live has a lot to do with this, and I doubt that is going to be changing anytime soon. Booze seems to be involved in a lot of these cases as well. There is things that can be done about that, but they'd be difficult to do. There really isn't anything they can do about underage drinking, let alone cracking down on drinking enough to slow the rate of these incidents.

I have heard about that also in UNI, My dad went to orientation for my sister when she went to College.
One thing they said to the guys "No means No" which is true.
But my dad came back even upset because they had to say that. First thing he said was "Parents should have given that damn talk to their sons the first time they touched a girl, not at 18 by some community counselor"
Whats worse is how they said its a girls responsibility to avoid rape, not the boys to y'know NOT RAPE. It is especially prevalent in sports for the macho culture in the activity.
I know you mentioned stress, ut could a macho culture also be part of the military aswell.
No disrespect.

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Crap I forgot to respond to DJ

We have the same policy in the Army. Non Official or Official. Either or end results the same. The individual will be confronted by the CO, 1st SGT, and a EOA in the CO office about 30-45 days after the incident. Starts off with "We became aware when someone reported a questionble action by you"

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Who is rape handled by in the military?

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Can a Corporation or other Government agnecy use the same "Formal" and "Non-Formal" approach? Would that potentially open them up to civil liabilities?

I honestly have no idea.

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Hotsauce...as much as I would like to answer that. That's a can a worms that will explode on this thread. I'm going to cite one incident that recently happen. A general officer over turn a verdict against a fellow officer on grounds on not enough evidence to convict.

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 Easy E wrote:
Can a Corporation or other Government agnecy use the same "Formal" and "Non-Formal" approach? Would that potentially open them up to civil liabilities?

I honestly have no idea.

The US Military has a separate legal system to civilian law

 
   
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 Easy E wrote:
Can a Corporation or other Government agnecy use the same "Formal" and "Non-Formal" approach? Would that potentially open them up to civil liabilities?

I honestly have no idea.

The US Military has a separate legal system to civilian law


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I think the cultural problem in general stems from few things.

1. US Army when deployed is technically out of reach of any jurisdiction (don't count military court here). Combine this with the fact that they are expected to kill the enemy, which would be illegal other time. So forces are expected to go against normal morality.
2. Close knit organisations tend to protect themselves. This shows in covering up incidents which would be wrong in other cases.

Combine these two factors and it is quite simple to see why such cases happen.

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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Who is rape handled by in the military?


Apparently the officers in charge of reducing sexual assault handle a bit of it themselves

Being a non military person, this proliferation of acronyms in this thread had me questioning if i knew what BBQ meant.

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And #2:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/14/us/army-sexual-assault-investigation/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

(CNN) -- The Army announced Tuesday that a sergeant first class assigned to an assault prevention program at Fort Hood, Texas, is under investigation for sexual assault.

The soldier, who was not named in an Army statement, has been suspended from all duties.

Specifically, the soldier is under investigation for "pandering, abusive sexual contact, assault and maltreatment of subordinates," the statement said. Special agents from the U.S. Army Criminal Investigation Command are conducting the probe.

No charges have been filed.

"This is so contrary to everything upon which the Army was built," Secretary of the Army John McHugh said during testimony before the House Appropriations Committee Defense subcommittee, according to the statement. "To see this kind of activity happening in our ranks is really heart-wrenching and sickening."

McHugh spoke generally about sex abuse crimes in the military.

"As I said to our new Brigadier General Corps when I spoke to them about two weeks ago, 'You can do everything from this point forward in your military career perfectly, but if you fail on this, you have failed the Army'," he reportedly said.

The solider was assigned as a Sexual Harassment/Assault Response and Prevention program coordinator when the allegations surfaced.

Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel was made aware of the case earlier Tuesday.

He met with McHugh and directed him to ensure that "all of those who might be involved are dealt with appropriately," according to Pentagon spokesman George Little.

"I cannot convey strongly enough his frustration, anger and disappointment over these troubling allegations and the breakdown in discipline and standards they imply," Little said about his boss.

"To address the broader concerns that have arisen out of these allegations and other recent events, Secretary Hagel is directing all the services to retrain, recredential, and rescreen all sexual assault prevention and response personnel and military recruiters," he said.

According to a Pentagon report released last week, the number of service members anonymously reporting a sexual assault grew by more than 30% in the past two years.

The Defense Department estimated that more than 26,000 troops experienced an episode of "unwanted sexual contact," a huge jump from 19,300 in the 2010 report.

The actual number of sexual crimes reported in fiscal year 2012 was 3,374, a 6% increase over the previous year, the report said.

Military officials worry that many victims don't come forward because they fear retaliation. But the numbers might indicate that more victims are willing to report crimes than in the past.

"I am outraged and disgusted by the reports out of Fort Hood today," said House Armed Services Committee Chairman Howard P. "Buck" McKeon, calling them the "latest chapter in a long, sordid history of sexual abuse" in the military.

The California Republican has a granddaughter in the Army.

"I see no meaningful distinction between complacency or complicity in the military's latest failure to uphold their own standards of conduct. Nor do I see a distinction between the service member who orchestrated this offense and the chain of command that was either oblivious to or tolerant of criminal behavior," he said.

The allegations of abuse come soon after an Air Force officer was charged with sexual battery stemming from an incident in Northern Virginia.

Lt. Col. Jeffrey Krusinski, a 1994 graduate of the Air Force Academy who served tours in both Iraq and Afghanistan, was arrested this month and accused of grabbing a woman's buttocks and breasts in a parking lot in Arlington County not far from the Pentagon.

He had been in charge of a military unit aimed at preventing sexual assault.

Krusinski, who has since been removed from that position, made an initial court appearance last week. He did not enter a plea.

"To say this report is disturbing would be a gross understatement. For the second time in a week, we are seeing someone who is supposed to be preventing sexual assault being investigated for committing that very act," said U.S. Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, D-New York.

She plans to unveil legislation this week that would remove chain of command influence from the prosecution of such offenses.

"We have the best and the brightest serving in our military. We have the greatest military in the world. And we ask everything of them. We ask them to even die for their country. We should not be allowing them to be subject to sexual assault and rape," said Gillibrand.

CNN's Larry Shaughnessy, Steve Almasy and Ashley Fantz contributed to this report
   
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So glad I'm retiring in Jul. So glad my stint as an EoA ends this month. SO glad I won't be around for retraining, recertification, and reeval as a S.M.E.

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Meanwhile in the Marine Corps part of the house:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/05/09/marines-probing-site-with-obscene-images-comments-on-military-women-after/

The Marine Corps is investigating an offensive website - apparently tied to active duty and reserve Marines -- which contained misogynistic images and comments about women in the Corps, after a congresswoman complained about the site on the heels of concerns over sexual assaults in the military.

The Facebook page, called "F'N Wook," has apparently been taken down. But Rep. Jackie Speier, D-Calif., included several graphic images from the page in a letter Wednesday to Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel and Marine Corps Commandant Gen. James Amos.

One showed a woman with a black eye, and the text: "She burned the bacon only once." Others suggested military women perform sexual acts in exchange for promotions.

Speier wrote to Hagel and others that they would be "horrified by the culture of misogyny and sexual harassment depicted on the website," urging them to crack down as the military addresses an increase in sexual assaults.

"The military cannot eradicate this problem without fundamentally changing its approach, including its tolerance of participation in these kinds of websites," Speier wrote.

The Marines, in response, threatened to take disciplinary action against anyone involved. A statement said that while it's unclear who's responsible for the "specific postings," complaints show "both active duty and reserve Marines have been involved."

"Marines are responsible for all content they publish on social networking sites, blogs, or other websites. There is no tolerance for discriminatory comments," the statement said. "It goes against good order and discipline. Violations of federal law and DOD regulations or policies may result in disciplinary action under the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

"Marines must use their best judgment at all times and avoid inappropriate behavior that could bring discredit upon themselves, their unit, and the Marine Corps. This includes posting any defamatory, libelous, abusive, threatening, racially or ethnically hateful or otherwise offensive or illegal content," the statement said.

According to the Marine Corps, it has been dealing with complaints about social media for 10 years.

The controversy over the website comes after a new Pentagon report showed the number of sexual assaults rose last year to 3,374


There were other websites (actually facebook pages) included in the congress critter's complaint to SecNav/SecDef which included "Just the Tip, Of the Spear" and other similar military communities. I've nosed around those places when they come up in my feed and I gotta say I concur with Max the founder of "Terminal Lance" my disgruntled military website of choice.

Yeah. That’s a thing. Pro-tip: just because you can doesn’t mean you should. I suppose my issue with these pages is that they generally start off as funny places for Marines and soldiers alike to get together and laugh at boots and such, and other generally funny content; but quickly degrade into endless sandwich jokes and (clearly) inappropriate and blatant misogyny. I suppose if I hated women I’d be upset by this news, but since I don’t, and Terminal Lance wasn’t on her list, I simply moved on with my day after a good chuckle.

Seriously though, the fething sandwich thing was funny like the first (over) 9,000 times I heard it.

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It is getting taken care of in some cases as this highly redacted letter shows:


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Workplace Sweep Proper

Stung by a spiraling number of sexual assaults in the military and a string of scandals, Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel has ordered all the services to conduct a sweep of workspaces across every military installation to eliminate anything that might be degrading or offensive.

His order mirrors that of Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. Mark Welsh in November after a female technical sergeant reported finding sexually explicit songs on the server of a public computer — and as a growing number of training instructors at basic faced charges of sexual assaults and inappropriate relationships with trainees.

The Air Force’s two-week inspection yielded 32,000 confiscated items; most were magazines and calendars depicting half-dressed women, but some were pornographic photos and videos.

While leaders acknowledge there may not be a direct link between provocative pictures and sexual assaults, there simply is no valid reason for them to be present in the workplace. Graphic material, no matter how “tame,” is considered by many men and women as offensive.

Inspectors will often have to make judgment calls — some non-offensive material could be confiscated by the overzealous.

Commanders will have to closely manage the process to protect individual rights while carrying out the intent of the order.

But with an anonymous survey showing an average of 70 service members being sexually assaulted per day — and only 11 percent reporting it — leaders must take aggressive action to convince victims that their reports will be taken seriously and dealt with fairly.

That will be a major step toward reversing this unacceptable trend.


What is described in the article above is troubling. It is good that 'offensive' material is being removed from work areas. However, I submit that at least some folks who have served in the military will know of units/individual leaders that will take this WAY too far, carry it into the barracks rooms, confiscate/destroy material that should not be and so forth. The influence from higher is just too strong that some weak leaders will go overboard in an attempt to ensure they don't get in trouble. Seriously, 'sexually explicit songs'? The correct issue there was ANY songs illegally loaded onto a gov't network. I submit that one can listen to any top 40 type radio station and will hear 'sexually explicit songs'.

I just fear that this is turning into a witch hunt. Right now there is such HEAVY 'command influence' on any of these cases that I honestly question if an accused trooper is going to get a fair hearing if he/she goes to a court martial, and suspect there will be commanders that hammer the snot out of any trooper accused using non-judicial punishment (Article 15) without a lot of thought as to guilt or innocence. I personally now of cases where one service member or DoD Civilian has falsely accused another.

My wife (active duty LTC(P)) was home this past weekend and we were talking about this issue. There is a lot of pressure to remove the chain of command from the decision process for these cases. We both feel that this is not a good thing. If the military is not putting folks they trust into command, THAT is the issue. Fire the ones you don't trust and let the others do their job. I saw one article calling for the FBI or some other Federal Agency to take over ALL investigations and then set up a special court/system for the trial process. That is a bad idea on so many levels.

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And some more:

http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2013/05/22/army-sergeant-accused-of-videotaping-female-cadets-at-west-point/?hpt=hp_t3

A U.S. Army sergeant first class stationed at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point has been charged with allegedly secretly videotaping female cadets in their shower and latrine areas, according to Army officials.
   
 
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