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All those suits/bodyguards min maxed are insane!

What stops them?

Twinlinked and hidden Earthshaker platforms seems to be the best solution.

Or the demon unit of your choice under forewarning and grimoire.

Edit: Sabre platforms also force them to start on the board, then you don't even have to hide your Arty.

Perhaps a couple colossus mortars? NIce AP3 ignore cover.

Warp quake.

To kill farsight/shadowsun deathstar you need ap3 pie plates/flamers, but a good tau guy can spread out using drones to space out the suits so these do less damage than you think.....

I fought a guy with 2... basilisks? the ap3 pie plates of doom with my farsight/shadowsun bomb, he got two turns of shooting before i dropped them and he kill 3 suits and 5 drones with the ordnance (and other shooting) it would have done more but at the juicy spot i put the iradium suit with 2+ armor and he saved everytime.

assault does ok some times, but not usually, the shooting + overwatch + tau melee (it isnt that bad, lol, well farsight is good, and the suits are giving out 3 str 5 hits each)

Kill the model with Vectored retro thrusters, so they lose H&R, then assault with unit of choice. So barrage on top of the guy, or lots of precision shots.

The Eldar have a few ways to combat the deathstar.

1 Fortuned harlies (coming out of 2+ cover) and then the Avatar coming in to wreck s**t after all the rending is done with. Don't forget about doom!

2 Night Spinners. Large pie plate that has rending, barrage, and makes it so they have to move out of difficult AND dangerous terrain. Don't forget the pinning check!

Really anything that has rending would do well against the group along with AP 2 weps

GTKA666 wrote:
The Eldar have a few ways to combat the deathstar.

1 Fortuned harlies (coming out of 2+ cover) and then the Avatar coming in to wreck s**t after all the rending is done with. Don't forget about doom!

Cover save means nothing to the farsight bomb as they all have ignore cover. So you are left with a 5++ rerollable which the farsight bomb will tear apart. Avatar will also have a problem against the bomb as he is kinda slow.

2 Night Spinners. Large pie plate that has rending, barrage, and makes it so they have to move out of difficult AND dangerous terrain. Don't forget the pinning check!

Nightspinner is pretty good against the bomb. Jet packs ignore difficult terrain but the dangerous terrain will probably cause a death or two.

Really anything that has rending would do well against the group along with AP 2 weps

Many farsight bombs have shadowsun so rending and ap2 don't matter vs the cover save.

My nurgle CSM were dropped like a bad habit by that Shadowsight Deathstar.

I'm going to try out the Slaanesh MSU Blastmaster spam w. 2 Heldrakes and DSing oblits during the next tourney. 6 Blastmasters per turn have to at least dent their drone reserves until the drakes fly in and mop up the suits. Hopefully I'll get an instakill or two with the BMs.

Fire dragons, d-cannons, i5/jump infantry, dirge caster rhinos, riptides with ignore cover/interceptor, playing the objective game, warp quake, coteaz, ymgarls... to name a few.

Wierdly enough a Farsight bombs worst enemy is other Tau.
Markerlights, another Farsight bomb, or just the multispectrum suit is enough to remove the cover ( if they use Shadowsun ) and most of the weaponry of the Tau is pretty good against their own.

 lambsandlions wrote:

GTKA666 wrote:
The Eldar have a few ways to combat the deathstar.

1 Fortuned harlies (coming out of 2+ cover) and then the Avatar coming in to wreck s**t after all the rending is done with. Don't forget about doom!

Cover save means nothing to the farsight bomb as they all have ignore cover. So you are left with a 5++ rerollable which the farsight bomb will tear apart. Avatar will also have a problem against the bomb as he is kinda slow.

I completely forgot about the cover save destroying tau....Then again don't they just have smart missiles which ignore cover and their regular guns don't? If that is the case TL ignoring cover isn't all that spectacular since I have a 50% chance to get a 5++ including the reroll.

GTKA666 wrote:
Then again don't they just have smart missiles which ignore cover and their regular guns don't?

There's a one-per-army special system that lets you give up shooting to make the rest of the squad ignore cover with ALL of their weapons. The standard Farsight bomb always has one support suit with that and the similar one that makes your weapons all twin-linked, so the rest of the squad (up to 6 models + attached ICs) will always ignore cover with everything.

anything that makes deepstrikers cry
or killing the ground units turn one
or intercepter
footcron has plenty of hard counters,death marks, imotek,wraith, dispertion sheid lich guard, earthshaker cryptek i forget the actual name but the one that makes all terain dangerous
njal stormcaller
nurgle spawn backed up by dirgecaster rhinos with ksons
baleflamers the burning brand of skalthrax
quadgun,icarus las canon
playing a thousand point game
objectives as stated
oblits
to just name a few from various codice

 Peregrine wrote:

GTKA666 wrote:
Then again don't they just have smart missiles which ignore cover and their regular guns don't?

There's a one-per-army special system that lets you give up shooting to make the rest of the squad ignore cover with ALL of their weapons. The standard Farsight bomb always has one support suit with that and the similar one that makes your weapons all twin-linked, so the rest of the squad (up to 6 models + attached ICs) will always ignore cover with everything.

Glad I know this now before going in blind against a Farsight bomb. Time for Warp Spiders to have a game of cat and mouse and lure them closer to the harlies and other units so they soak up the overwatch and not the harlies

Jaws rune priests should take out a few, including the dudes with all the bells and whistles like hit and run and sensor suite etc.

Heldrakes Noise Marines and a DP with the black mace

 MaCa wrote:
My nurgle CSM were dropped like a bad habit by that Shadowsight Deathstar.

I'm going to try out the Slaanesh MSU Blastmaster spam w. 2 Heldrakes and DSing oblits during the next tourney. 6 Blastmasters per turn have to at least dent their drone reserves until the drakes fly in and mop up the suits. Hopefully I'll get an instakill or two with the BMs.

I play Tau and my best mate plays Slaanesh Chaos. Blastmasters are the bane of my Crisis...in fact anything but my Riptides. The Helldrakes may have a problem if you dont get rid of the Tau interceptors/anti-air units but the Blastmasters will do a solid job of dismantling the Farsight bomb, from personal experience anyway. In our last game I even lost 2 broadsides to blast masters although I did roll 2 1's for the saving throws the S8 instagibed them outright.

Dracoknight wrote:
Wierdly enough a Farsight bombs worst enemy is other Tau.
Markerlights, another Farsight bomb, or just the multispectrum suit is enough to remove the cover ( if they use Shadowsun ) and most of the weaponry of the Tau is pretty good against their own.

I am a Tau player and the shadowsight "wave" as I like to call it, is one of my three primary lists and I completely agree with Dracoknight. It is literally the scariest thing to play against in my opinion.

I concur on the opinion - Tau v. Tau is the bloodiest matchup that codex can face.

Aside from that heldrakes are an obvious thorn for any army, including farsight bombs.

Considering that a farsight bomb is usually around a 1000 points with drones its 28 models. Said tau player must have at least 28firewarriorson the table. your looking at about 1500 points right there. 2/3 of which is in reserve. just Dakka his little remaining guys to death on turn one and that over costed unit will never see the light of day.

Demolisher cannons, or the old trustworthy warp quake, or zombies, zombies work

Crimson-King2120 wrote:
Heldrakes Noise Marines and a DP with the black mace

Helturkeys and Noisemarines would be nice. I think the DP would get shot down too quickly. I would rather have a biker lord with burning brand.



I think hordes will work. Most Farsight bombs I see people listing are all melta/plasmaed out. Hordes of ork boyz should give them trouble by controlling the board and taking too many shots to kill. Play the mission, kill all the supporting firewarriors/kroot and have a ton of scoring bodies on objectives that cannot be moved. Gotta worry about riptides though...

 Exergy wrote:

Crimson-King2120 wrote:
Heldrakes Noise Marines and a DP with the black mace

Helturkeys and Noisemarines would be nice. I think the DP would get shot down too quickly. I would rather have a biker lord with burning brand.



I think hordes will work. Most Farsight bombs I see people listing are all melta/plasmaed out. Hordes of ork boyz should give them trouble by controlling the board and taking too many shots to kill. Play the mission, kill all the supporting firewarriors/kroot and have a ton of scoring bodies on objectives that cannot be moved. Gotta worry about riptides though...

don't most farsight bombs include 14 gun drones? 28 s5 shots+ all that melta and plasma daka makes quicker work of hordes than you think. Anything you can use to quickly kill 1k points can be reliably used to kill of the farsight bomb.

S8+ ap3/2 pie plates the turn they drop in.

Tau are actually a pretty good hard counter for other Tau. That nasty Farsight/Shadowsun bomb wont be all that scary once it stares down the sights of markerlight assisted Ionheads and/or Iontides

Mali wrote:
Considering that a farsight bomb is usually around a 1000 points with drones its 28 models. Said tau player must have at least 28firewarriorson the table. your looking at about 1500 points right there. 2/3 of which is in reserve. just Dakka his little remaining guys to death on turn one and that over costed unit will never see the light of day.

What? No...just, no. Reserves are declared on a unit by unit basis, not by model count. If my 28 model unit is just farsight/shadowsun/bodyguard then as long as I have 3 other units of any type to deploy there's no issue.

 tetrisphreak wrote:

Mali wrote:
Considering that a farsight bomb is usually around a 1000 points with drones its 28 models. Said tau player must have at least 28firewarriorson the table. your looking at about 1500 points right there. 2/3 of which is in reserve. just Dakka his little remaining guys to death on turn one and that over costed unit will never see the light of day.

What? No...just, no. Reserves are declared on a unit by unit basis, not by model count. If my 28 model unit is just farsight/shadowsun/bodyguard then as long as I have 3 other units of any type to deploy there's no issue.

your right on the model vs unit count aspect. this is what I get for posting before the coffee hits the brain =P. I just know if I can shoot down 20 rubrics, 2 spawns and 2 oblits in one turn of shooting while my friend keeps his 10 termies and 2 Sorcerer in reserves I can probably do the same thing with tau.

the point is if your going to keep half to two thirds of your armies points in reserve I can probabaly shoot the rest of your army to death in turn one. i tend to play fast armies that can unload almost all my firepower on turn one shooting.

Mathhammer: my 1500 points of what ever stands a really good chance of killing your 500 points of remaining tau

D-cannons, as some already mentioned, are pretty decent though I would probably take Dark Reapers over D-Cannons.

But to tell you the truth, if the enemy knows what they are doing, it's going to b a tough one to crack. Your armor saves couldn't matter less to a Farsight bomb and neither does toughness or AV.

They only get to Overwatch once though. So if you charge them with two units, one will arrive. So charge the lesser unit, let it die (and no unit will be a waste considering that you're about to kill 900+ points) and then beat them silly with their own legs. it takes two units to do it. It's actually not that hard to GET two units into combat with them, since they like to jump in on ya. You just have to be ready for your opportunity.

LandRaiders are good lures because if the Farsight bomb comes in to kill it plus another unit, and if you deploy well, a unit can safely hide behind it. No matter what you will likly lose the LR and a unit, but afterwards, the unit inside can charge with the unit that was held back. A fleet Deathcompany Furioso is a great choice but there are others of course.

Bring enough models, space out to maximum 2" coherency and leave no spaces in your backfield. Force them to shoot stuff you dont care as much about and then focus all your firepower on the unit. I've played it a few times and had absolutely no issue with them. Elite armies are going to be in trouble though.