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Suffice to say, this sounds like only the beginning, even if the law office has a scantily clad website.

Pathetic.

You have prove positive that he is RSO etc etc etc and you take down an entire thread based on a C&Dfrom some German company and collapse like a chocolate teapot filled with hot water.

Way to go to make him think he can bully his way through things.

Just pathetic.

Would it be too much to ask to get victims of Matthew and Jason to actually contact these private investigators and present the evidence of this trio's wrongdoing?

Whilst cease and desist letters fired off at defamatory activity is an easy task, when presented with hard evidence of their employers legal wrongs it would be difficult to recover from.

I have a feeling that the only reason these people in germany were hired, is that they might not be doing all the background research of their clients that might actually be of benefit.

 fullheadofhair wrote:
Pathetic.

You have prove positive that he is RSO etc etc etc and you take down an entire thread based on a C&Dfrom some German company and collapse like a chocolate teapot filled with hot water.

Way to go to make him think he can bully his way through things.

Just pathetic.

Where is the problem? The point was to establish Mandelbaum was the owner. He confirmed it himself via this document. Take it easy.

 fullheadofhair wrote:
Pathetic.

You have proof positive that he is RSO etc etc etc and you take down an entire thread based on a C&D from some German company and collapse like a chocolate teapot filled with hot water.

Way to go to make him think he can bully his way through things.

Just pathetic.

Why is it pathetic?

Look, I can appreciate your perception of Yakface having "collapsed". The fact of the matter is that if we kept the other thread up (which, let's face it, was starting to deteriorate with individuals going off topic and mockingly making the "threats" which RSO and his cohorts are referring to), it would do nothing but get unwieldy.
With this new development?

We start a new thread, and what's more have Daniel Mandelbaum/RedStarOne...and his fellow individuals named on a supposed legal document. That's all the proof we really need at this point that it's RSO.
He's done more to damage his own "company" than we ever could have.

@ Kanluwen: We? What's your role in this?

Wow, this is HI-larious!

Go, RSO, continue to bring the lulz!

 George Spiggott wrote:
@ Kanluwen: We? What's your role in this?

I use "we" to mean the site, not that I had anything to do with it.

I'll change it if you want.

edited for rule #1

 fullheadofhair wrote:
Pathetic.

You have prove positive that he is RSO etc etc etc and you take down an entire thread based on a C&Dfrom some German company and collapse like a chocolate teapot filled with hot water.

Way to go to make him think he can bully his way through things.

Just pathetic.

Yeah seriously. Way to to just bend over for the guy. No matter how you try to convey it, it's quite obvious yak's using "we don't NEED that thread now!" as an excuse to not look like a total wuss caving into something from a "company" that looks like somebody made it on their day off.

Fullhead, Dakka is NOT the victim here. Dakka merely provided the conduit and a central point for victims of this trio.

Its not up to dakka, but up to the victims to act on the incidents which have proved this dangerous Menage a trois.

Talk what big talk?

The moderators and other members who put the effort in on the last thread invested a good deal of work into documenting the past activities and unsatisfied customers of a particular person behind multiple businesses and aliases. Plenty of information on the individual's past activities has been compiled in the past and is still linked here.

The folks in question shared their information with the community to help people know who they were dealing (or potentially dealing) with. Having done so clarified matters for a number of people, including The Hairy Painter, Aerethan, and other people who were able to take constructive action, including disassociating themselves from a business that was no longer appealing, obtaining a police report confirming the identity and involvement of Mr. Mandelbaum, etc.

The thread served its purpose. This thread serves the same purpose.

What outcome would you like to see, fullheadofhair, Griever? Would you like to invest your time, money, and other resources into putting more information online and perhaps coordinating action by past unsatisfied customers? Can you perhaps provide a more macho example of how to protect and assist the community?

 Mannahnin wrote:
Talk what big talk?

The moderators and other members who put the effort in on the last thread invested a good deal of work into documenting the past activities and unsatisfied customers of a particular person behind multiple businesses and aliases. Plenty of information on the individual's past activities has been compiled in the past and is still linked here.

The folks in question shared their information with the community to help people know who they were dealing (or potentially dealing) with. Having done so clarified matters for a number of people, including The Hairy Painter, Aerethan, and other people who were able to take constructive action, including disassociating themselves from a business that was no longer appealing, obtaining a police report confirming the identity and involvement of Mr. Mandelbaum, etc.

The thread served its purpose. This thread serves the same purpose.

What outcome would you like to see, fullheadofhair, Griever? Would you like to invest your time, money, and other resources into putting more information online and perhaps coordinating action by past unsatisfied customers? Can you perhaps provide a more macho example of how to protect and assist the community?

How about deleting the threats which should never have been there in the first place which are totally against #1, post your proof which you maintain is very solid and therefore stand behind you comments and ignore the C&D. If it is good ol' RSO what have you got to fear as your are just publishing the truth.

Sorry to anyone disappointed in my chosen course of action. I don't know what else to tell you.

To be clear: moderators, besides charged with enforcing site rules, are in no ways representatives of this website or its owners.

I personally have no firsthand knowledge or experience with Resin Forge and its owners.

Dakka is a community forum, not a blog site hosting editorials. A user, who happened to be a moderator, started that previous thread.

I believe that some of the terminology used in that thread could be misinterpreted by some (such as yourself it seems) that it was an editorial piece posted on behalf of Dakka's owners, which it was not.

Having seen many of the facts behind that thread, I do believe that it was created in good faith and for good purposes, but it is not a particular thread that I want to hitch this website and my own future behind regardless of how serious the threat is or isn't.

There were no actual threats to my knowledge.

Why would any of the folks involved post any more information about how they originally ascertained his identify and association with this business? What purpose could it serve other than to help him hide better next time?

Why should Dakka bother fighting a person known to send barrages of insulting and angry emails at all hours of day and night, and who calls people at their place of work and makes threats and bizarre accusations? Why should Yak risk even a small chance of dealing with even a trivial or fraudulent lawsuit? To what end? The entire point of this exercise was to warn the community that this new business was associated with a particular individual, so folks can make informed decisions. That end has been achieved.

 fullheadofhair wrote:
Pathetic.

You have prove positive that he is RSO etc etc etc and you take down an entire thread based on a C&Dfrom some German company and collapse like a chocolate teapot filled with hot water.

Way to go to make him think he can bully his way through things.

Just pathetic.

Pathetic would have been to quietly remove the original posts without explanation. Yak posted the entire C&D letter, giving a definitive answer to the question that started the previous thread, as well as providing new information for the offended parties to pursue if they so choose. He's been open and transparent on a topic he has no obligation to be involved in.

So, go get 'im fullheadofhair and greivous. I look forward to the full-throated, righteous offensive you plan on mounting against Resin Forge to put the world right again. Do post a link so we can watch how it should be done.

 fullheadofhair wrote:

How about deleting the threats which should never have been there in the first place which are totally against #1, post your proof which you maintain is very solid and therefore stand behind you comments and ignore the C&D. If it is good ol' RSO what have you got to fear as your are just publishing the truth.

1) Dakka posts a thread saying "We have reason to believe that Resin Forge is Daniel Mandelbaum, be careful. That was the purpose of the thread, to establish that Resin Forge is in fact Daniel Mandelbaum.
2) Daniel Mandelbaum sends Dakka a letter admitting he is the owner of Resin Forge and he wants us to take down the thread where we shared that we are suspecting that he is the owner of Resin Forge.
3) Yakface takes down the thread of "we think he is" and replaces it with a "hey guys, he admits it" thread.

Really no reason for outrage here, mission accomplished.

 Mannahnin wrote:
There were no actual threats to my knowledge.

Why would any of the folks involved post any more information about how they originally ascertained his identify and association with this business? What purpose could it serve other than to help him hide better next time?

Why should Dakka bother fighting a person known to send barrages of insulting and angry emails at all hours of day and night, and who calls people at their place of work and makes threats and bizarre accusations? Why should Yak risk even a small chance of dealing with even a trivial or fraudulent lawsuit? To what end? The entire point of this exercise was to warn the community that this new business was associated with a particular individual, so folks can make informed decisions. That end has been achieved.

There were several actually - made in jest obviously but still should have been deleted purely IMHO to keep the thread free of taint so C&D couldnt have had any traction.

Anyhoo, we can agree to disagree. As you quite rightly point out I have neither time, emotion nor money invested in this enterprise so while I strongly disagree in principle with what has been done i can understand why it was done. Maybe if I had time and money invested I would have done the same thing. So I will keep further thoughts to myself.

 yakface wrote:
Sorry to anyone disappointed in my chosen course of action. I don't know what else to tell you.

To be clear: moderators, besides charged with enforcing site rules, are in no ways representatives of this website or its owners.

I personally have no firsthand knowledge or experience with Resin Forge and its owners.

Dakka is a community forum, not a blog site hosting editorials. A User, who happened to be a moderator, started that previous thread.

I believe that some of the terminology used in that thread could be misinterpreted by some (such as yourself it seems) that it was an editorial piece posted on behalf of Dakka's owners, which it was not.

Having seen many of the facts behind that thread, I do believe that it was created in good faith and for good purposes, but it is not a particular thread that I want to hitch this website and my own future behind regardless of how serious the threat is or isn't.

This is the the simplest and most efficient manner of dealing with the situation. Did the topic get the results that was needed? Yes.
Did people get informed? Yes. The C&D is essentially nothing if there is success of the purpose of the topic. Once that has happened then the topic on hand can be removed.

To myself Yakface did the right thing. He also knows that there are others on this site that will help him out at a time of need.

- Adam

"Cowardice" is never something I would have associated with Dakka. This Mandelbaum character has a long and well-documented history, even members of Dakka staff have been left out of pocket by him, but look at Dakka run away at the first sign of a C&D.

This really does seem like a capitulation/retreat. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Sigh... et tu HBMC? Read above dude...

HMBC, The thing is that DAKKA itself is only the forum. Yakface has no obligation to go and prosecute Daniel/Matthew simply because he posted on dakka, even if he did use Dakka to scam.

However, the victims of Matthew and Daniel are the ones who should be moving forward with this investigation, including refuting this C+D order, and presenting evidence of this trio's wrongdoing to their legal firm.

 yakface wrote:


I believe that some of the terminology used in that thread could be misinterpreted by some (such as yourself it seems) that it was an editorial piece posted on behalf of Dakka's owners, which it was not.

Actually I thought it was totally a Dakka sponsored thread, hence my annoyance when it appeared to cave and like HBMC the word cowardice sprung to mind when the thread was so adament about 100% proof.

Now having read that, I withdraw my comments and understand that the original mod thread was no different to me posting one up.

I do stand by the comment that it should have been moderated better to keep it on the very straight and narrow,

You started the thread Tom, and you did so with the only aim being to see if this guy was connected to Resin Forge? Say for sake of argument that had been 100% proven within the thread (no C&D), you would have done, what, then? Closed that thread? Locked it away with a “Mission Accomplished” jpeg of George W. Bush and called it a day?

If the aim of that thread wasn’t also to warn people, then I question why you started it. Isn’t one aspect of the Swap Shop to point out bad traders and things like that. How is this different?

Closing the thread isn’t really what strikes me as strange – remember that even I posted a “So what now?” post in that thread as it seemed to have reached its logical conclusion – it’s the fact that it’s almost as if now that it’s proven we should never mention it again for fear of the big bad (potentially non-existent) lawyers.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
"Cowardice" is never something I would have associated with Dakka. This Mandelbaum character has a long and well-documented history, even members of Dakka staff have been left out of pocket by him, but look at Dakka run away at the first sign of a C&D.

This really does seem like a capitulation/retreat. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Dakka has no staff. It is not a LLC.

It is me on the hook. One person. If Dakka gets sued, that means I'm getting sued. If I can't pay, that means a lien on my house.

I did not make the statements in the original thread, nor were they representative of my views. They were the views of one user, who is a moderator for this site.


While I believe fully in the reasoning and facts behind posting that original thread, I am not in love with some of the choices made in presenting those facts, and so I see no point in drawing a line in the sand behind something that is better supported by the words of the company itself through its own Cease & Desist letter.

Im confused, What is wrong with this guy and his company.

 Doctadeth wrote:
HMBC, The thing is that DAKKA itself is only the forum. Yakface has no obligation to go and prosecute Daniel/Matthew simply because he posted on dakka, even if he did use Dakka to scam.

Fair enough. That makes sense. I’m certainly not calling for Dakka (or Yak) to lead any charge against this guy, or act as some sort of rallying point. It just seemed as if Yak was saying “It’s proven now, but let’s never mention it ever again. Ever.”

 Doctadeth wrote:
However, the victims of Matthew and Daniel are the ones who should be moving forward with this investigation, including refuting this C+D order, and presenting evidence of this trio's wrongdoing to their legal firm.

As long as they never discuss it here, right?

The part that seemed missing to me was the other threads related to this individual, which were very helpful in the deleted thread as I hadn't encountered him before. I see they are included in the links in the OP, though, so that's all good. Maybe they could use a little more emphasis as being links to threads related to him.

HBMC, victims could use PMing and other methods to organise a class action against this.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Im confused, What is wrong with this guy and his company.

Go read the links in the first post.