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Sorry I don't see the problem. I do it all the time, theme parks, cinema, sporting events you name it. Disabled folks get some great seats at some great prices.

I my case its one of my best mates that gives me this advantage but if someone is willing to pay for a perfectly legal service that someone else is willing to provide then why not. Personal I feel its the rich mom's getting exploited here $130 an hour, why not shop around I'm sure you can find someone cheaper.

Getting to the front of the line isn't even the best part of it. In my experience once you get on a roller coaster the staff don't want to slow the whole ride down getting you off so you can just sit and ride it again and again until you get board. I think seven consecutive runs is the best we have managed so far

I don't agree with faking a disability though, that's a bit odious.

Right. But this is all at the expense of those who have been waiting in line themselves. The reason this process even exists is to allow the disabled and their families to be able to attend the rides. By pimping that benefit out, it is essentially just line-cutting. How is essentially line-cutting not an odious action?

Although, I am curious: why do the disabled get special access to begin with? Waiting in line in a wheelchair does not strike me as harder than standing in it, though I admit that I do not have a personal frame of reference for this.

I have also wondered that. Make them stand in line like everyone else. Why should they get to cut?

 azazel the cat wrote:
Right. But this is all at the expense of those who have been waiting in line themselves. The reason this process even exists is to allow the disabled and their families to be able to attend the rides. By pimping that benefit out, it is essentially just line-cutting. How is essentially line-cutting not an odious action?

Although, I am curious: why do the disabled get special access to begin with? Waiting in line in a wheelchair does not strike me as harder than standing in it, though I admit that I do not have a personal frame of reference for this.

Many of the ride lines aren't Handicap accessible (stairs, narrow corrirdor, etc....) they have to go some alternate route, which obviously cuts the line.

Well, if you think this is disgusting are you equally opposed to people being able to pay a fee to get a "fast pass" to buy a shorter line?

Because that is happenign now at amusement parks across the country (and toll ways, but that is a different argument).

Essentially, people with money can move through the line faster for no other reasson than having more disposable income than the people waiting.

Wait, Fast Passes aren't free anymore?

It used to be you go to the ride ahead of time, punch in the number of riders you have, and come back at the time it gives you to get a shorter line.

And this is ok because everybody can do it.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Wait, Fast Passes aren't free anymore?

It used to be you go to the ride ahead of time, punch in the number of riders you have, and come back at the time it gives you to get a shorter line.

And this is ok because everybody can do it.

Disney is still free (as of last year)... you just have to strategize when you get in line.

Disney is free, but not other amusement parks. You pay a premium.

I'm looking at you Universal!

whembly wrote:

 azazel the cat wrote:
Right. But this is all at the expense of those who have been waiting in line themselves. The reason this process even exists is to allow the disabled and their families to be able to attend the rides. By pimping that benefit out, it is essentially just line-cutting. How is essentially line-cutting not an odious action?

Although, I am curious: why do the disabled get special access to begin with? Waiting in line in a wheelchair does not strike me as harder than standing in it, though I admit that I do not have a personal frame of reference for this.

Many of the ride lines aren't Handicap accessible (stairs, narrow corrirdor, etc....) they have to go some alternate route, which obviously cuts the line.

Ah, hadn't thought of that. Makes sense.

Easy E wrote:Well, if you think this is disgusting are you equally opposed to people being able to pay a fee to get a "fast pass" to buy a shorter line?

Yes.

 Easy E wrote:
Well, if you think this is disgusting are you equally opposed to people being able to pay a fee to get a "fast pass" to buy a shorter line?

Because that is happenign now at amusement parks across the country (and toll ways, but that is a different argument).

Essentially, people with money can move through the line faster for no other reasson than having more disposable income than the people waiting.

A fast pass for disney land is free, you just get one per ride per day. And it is only at a certain time you can ride.

 whembly wrote:

 azazel the cat wrote:
Right. But this is all at the expense of those who have been waiting in line themselves. The reason this process even exists is to allow the disabled and their families to be able to attend the rides. By pimping that benefit out, it is essentially just line-cutting. How is essentially line-cutting not an odious action?

Although, I am curious: why do the disabled get special access to begin with? Waiting in line in a wheelchair does not strike me as harder than standing in it, though I admit that I do not have a personal frame of reference for this.

Many of the ride lines aren't Handicap accessible (stairs, narrow corrirdor, etc....) they have to go some alternate route, which obviously cuts the line.

Spot on, the lines on most rides, seating and access at stadiums etc etc are not even close to wheelchair accessible. Most roller-coasters have a lift for disabled access.

And as others have stated paying for a disabled person so you can skip lines is no more odious then paying for fast passes, the article even states that Disney offers its own VIP line skip guides from $315 an hour.

 Bangbangboom wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 azazel the cat wrote:
Right. But this is all at the expense of those who have been waiting in line themselves. The reason this process even exists is to allow the disabled and their families to be able to attend the rides. By pimping that benefit out, it is essentially just line-cutting. How is essentially line-cutting not an odious action?

Although, I am curious: why do the disabled get special access to begin with? Waiting in line in a wheelchair does not strike me as harder than standing in it, though I admit that I do not have a personal frame of reference for this.

Many of the ride lines aren't Handicap accessible (stairs, narrow corrirdor, etc....) they have to go some alternate route, which obviously cuts the line.

Spot on, the lines on most rides, seating and access at stadiums etc etc are not even close to wheelchair accessible. Most roller-coasters have a lift for disabled access.

And as others have stated paying for a disabled person so you can skip lines is no more odious then paying for fast passes, the article even states that Disney offers its own VIP line skip guides from $315 an hour.

Yup... so instead of paying Disney, why not pay a disabled person!

Go to Disney, and get paid for it! niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice.

I'm with Jihadin and whembly on this one. People (doesn't matter rich or poor) figured out how to beat a system, I'm sure that disabled person would hire themselves out to someone of any "class" as long as they got their $130 an hour.
Isn't it weird how the "1%ers" instead of paying the stupid $320 for a speed pass VIP tour they wanted to go the cheap sleeze way and pay half price? For the 1%ers have the title of "VIP" is just too tempting to pass up. Thats why I think this is just an "attack the rich" story. The story may be true but it being about rich people has to be bs.

I wouldn't be upset if I was standing in line and got passed by these people, I'd be cursing myself wondering why I didn't think of that.

Newabortion wrote:I'm with Jihadin and whembly on this one. People (doesn't matter rich or poor) figured out how to beat a system, I'm sure that disabled person would hire themselves out to someone of any "class" as long as they got their $130 an hour.
Isn't it weird how the "1%ers" instead of paying the stupid $320 for a speed pass VIP tour they wanted to go the cheap sleeze way and pay half price? For the 1%ers have the title of "VIP" is just too tempting to pass up. Thats why I think this is just an "attack the rich" story. The story may be true but it being about rich people has to be bs.

I wouldn't be upset if I was standing in line and got passed by these people, I'd be cursing myself wondering why I didn't think of that.

Since you're already a fan of breaking the social contract, why take half-measures? Why not just assault your way to the front?

 azazel the cat wrote:

Newabortion wrote:I'm with Jihadin and whembly on this one. People (doesn't matter rich or poor) figured out how to beat a system, I'm sure that disabled person would hire themselves out to someone of any "class" as long as they got their $130 an hour.
Isn't it weird how the "1%ers" instead of paying the stupid $320 for a speed pass VIP tour they wanted to go the cheap sleeze way and pay half price? For the 1%ers have the title of "VIP" is just too tempting to pass up. Thats why I think this is just an "attack the rich" story. The story may be true but it being about rich people has to be bs.

I wouldn't be upset if I was standing in line and got passed by these people, I'd be cursing myself wondering why I didn't think of that.

Since you're already a fan of breaking the social contract, why take half-measures? Why not just assault your way to the front?

Break what "social contract"?

The feth?

LOL WUT, stop trolling me dude.

Lol what social contract, that we are all equal?

Since you're already a fan of breaking the social contract, why take half-measures? Why not just assault your way to the front?

Dang yo Az........





MOVE UP!!!

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Only little people go to Disneyland.

Anyone important has someone to go for them.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Only little people go to Disneyland.

Anyone important has someone to go for them.

I had a fething blast at Disney last year.

But... it is expensive as feth tho.

We are going in two weeks.
my moms said to my cousin, you can go for 2500$, im there thinking,
"Damn, I can get a manta with that.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
We are going in two weeks.
my moms said to my cousin, you can go for 2500$, im there thinking,
"Damn, I can get a manta with that.

Yeah... no gak.

The food costs are insane. There's a pizza joint by the Swan hotel that's reasonable. The least half of my vacation, that's all I had because the pizza was reasonable.

Look mentlegen, Disney Land asks you to pay them hundreds of dollars so you can stand around for hours at a time so you can sit on a two minute ride. Does it surprise you guys at all that people would try to find ways to get around this? It's human nature to try and pick the path of least resistance.

Are these people horrible? No. No one wants to stand in line. They are dishonest, yes, but not monsters. Methinks the reason why people are getting upset over this is that disabled people are involved.


Once, when I was a fat young kid, my feet were killing me after two hours of standing/walking at disney land. I actually got into a wheelchair because it was incredibly painful to walk (I don't have that issue anymore, thank god). It felt nice to get in front of the line.

 azazel the cat wrote:
Right. But this is all at the expense of those who have been waiting in line themselves.

Ignoring the wheelchair and "pay for free pass" thing, when I was at Disney 7 or 8 years ago, EVERYONE with a ticket could get one free pass per day.

At least, that's how I remember it. You just had to figure which ride was important enough for it. But then, I went in February and there were hardly any lines. Yay, no kids!

 whembly wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
We are going in two weeks.
my moms said to my cousin, you can go for 2500$, im there thinking,
"Damn, I can get a manta with that.

Yeah... no gak.

The food costs are insane. There's a pizza joint by the Swan hotel that's reasonable. The least half of my vacation, that's all I had because the pizza was reasonable.

TBH, I dont want to go, I would rather spend the money on other things, like Tournaments and Conventions. But if i told my family that they would make me feel bad.


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 kronk wrote:

 azazel the cat wrote:
Right. But this is all at the expense of those who have been waiting in line themselves.

Ignoring the wheelchair and "pay for free pass" thing, when I was at Disney 7 or 8 years ago, EVERYONE with a ticket could get one free pass per day.

At least, that's how I remember it. You just had to figure which ride was important enough for it. But then, I went in February and there were hardly any lines. Yay, no kids!

Then, just be a single rider, they will just pull you out and put you ahead of other people.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
We are going in two weeks.
my moms said to my cousin, you can go for 2500$, im there thinking,
"Damn, I can get a manta with that.

Yeah... no gak.

The food costs are insane. There's a pizza joint by the Swan hotel that's reasonable. The least half of my vacation, that's all I had because the pizza was reasonable.

TBH, I dont want to go, I would rather spend the money on other things, like Tournaments and Conventions. But if i told my family that they would make me feel bad.


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 kronk wrote:

 azazel the cat wrote:
Right. But this is all at the expense of those who have been waiting in line themselves.

Ignoring the wheelchair and "pay for free pass" thing, when I was at Disney 7 or 8 years ago, EVERYONE with a ticket could get one free pass per day.

At least, that's how I remember it. You just had to figure which ride was important enough for it. But then, I went in February and there were hardly any lines. Yay, no kids!

Then, just be a single rider, they will just pull you out and put you ahead of other people.

If you haven't been there before... I'd go. It's a cool place... really.

It has been the only place my family goes on vacation. I have been 11 times.

Which Disney? I've only been to Disney World in Florida (Epcot Center, Magic Kingdom, Animal Kingdom?, and the movie one).

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
It has been the only place my family goes on vacation. I have been 11 times.

Dayum!

Then yeah, I'd support your endeavors to use the money on 40k!


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 kronk wrote:
Which Disney? I've only been to Disney World in Florida (Epcot Center, Magic Kingdom, Animal Kingdom?, and the movie one).

Yup... that's the one.