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The chain mail thing makes no sense are the people even looking at the three factions?

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

Brief poll question for you lot, since I have three tank commanders to pick from for my normal IG Army. Who makes the better stand in for Knight Commander Pask? Ash (Jail Birds), Jaheda Kano (Kruganova) or Kristina Karlstein? (IE)

I'll probably be using Ash to sub in for Pask. Kano is going to by my Master of Ordnance now that she has legs, and Karlstein will probably also end up serving as a Regimental Advisor.

 Yonan wrote:
Don't forget complaints about plastic too ; p
I'll add a complaint about metal too - I much prefer to not work with it! Still debating if RH awesome models are worth the annoyance of the metal.

Out of interest, how do you find metal annoying? For non-multipart figures at least.

It's harder to do conversions with? Any cutting/trimming is more difficult? Glued pieces more likely to come apart if the model falls over? These are the "downsides" I've heard people mention about metal. (Although I prefer it to all other mini media myself.)

 Jimsolo wrote:
It's harder to do conversions with? Any cutting/trimming is more difficult? Glued pieces more likely to come apart if the model falls over? These are the "downsides" I've heard people mention about metal. (Although I prefer it to all other mini media myself.)

Those. I love to convert, but converting metal is a pain. Also, the paint chips off much more easily.

Glad to see that we can swap between categories now. I'm not terribly interested in any of the support that's been unlocked yet (and I'm not keen on the Jailbird mech,) but being able to use that for $60 of troopers or characters will be nice.

Still, despite all the kvetching that's been going on, this thing is trucking along quite nicely. I really was expecting to see this drop down to a much slower lull but it seems to be adding 40-50 people and a good $8k each day, which is pretty darn good for a week in.

Who dares convert those models?

I love those girls...

I like the look of those Iron Empire heavies; they'd make a very nice Stormtrooper squad indeed.

 Azazelx wrote:

 Yonan wrote:
Don't forget complaints about plastic too ; p
I'll add a complaint about metal too - I much prefer to not work with it! Still debating if RH awesome models are worth the annoyance of the metal.

Out of interest, how do you find metal annoying? For non-multipart figures at least.

 Crimson wrote:

 Jimsolo wrote:
It's harder to do conversions with? Any cutting/trimming is more difficult? Glued pieces more likely to come apart if the model falls over? These are the "downsides" I've heard people mention about metal. (Although I prefer it to all other mini media myself.)

Those. I love to convert, but converting metal is a pain. Also, the paint chips off much more easily.

Yep, all of the above. I do like the feel though, but that's seriously outweighed.


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 Krinsath wrote:
I like the look of those Iron Empire heavies; they'd make a very nice Stormtrooper squad indeed.

Hell yes they look great.

 Jimsolo wrote:
It's harder to do conversions with? Any cutting/trimming is more difficult? Glued pieces more likely to come apart if the model falls over? These are the "downsides" I've heard people mention about metal. (Although I prefer it to all other mini media myself.)

Cutting these works of art is a sin, so the material is not ideal for sinners
And you don't want all the details to break off.

Actually I prefer metal to Finecast even for GW, as many do. Characters usually are very individually sculpted, unlike troops where diversity is more important.

 Kroothawk wrote:

Actually I prefer metal to Finecast even for GW, as many do. Characters usually are very individually sculpted, unlike troops where diversity is more important.

I just chopped my new Spiritseer from four places and repositioned his body and arm. It would have been an utter nightmare with a metal model. But I'm an obsessive converter. Unless I have converted the model somehow, it really doesn't feel like it's mine.

 Jimsolo wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

Brief poll question for you lot, since I have three tank commanders to pick from for my normal IG Army. Who makes the better stand in for Knight Commander Pask? Ash (Jail Birds), Jaheda Kano (Kruganova) or Kristina Karlstein? (IE)

I'll probably be using Ash to sub in for Pask. Kano is going to by my Master of Ordnance now that she has legs, and Karlstein will probably also end up serving as a Regimental Advisor.

That's more or less what I was thinking.

Side note, inspiration for Ash?



Second side note is it just me or is Volga Potemkine the most stereotypically dense Russian name in the history of the universe?


As to Jezebel... is there a single chain mail bikini in this entire KS? Pretty much everyone's in body armor except the Jailbirds who are rocking the "Sucker Punch"/"Tank Girl"/"Rambo" vibe. Still that's pretty good for Jezebel.

@Kalashinkov
Sorry, can't see the picture.

And no, I think Olga Romanova would be the most stereotypically dense russian name in the history of the universe.^^

And as said, no there is not a single chain mail bikini, there is only 1 of 150 girls wearing one (bikini, not armor). A one-armed zombie with diver helmet. Yay super sexy or something like that XD

Wolf, the image is Oddball from Kelly's Heroes.

I dunno though, Volga Potemkine makes a strong effort for itself, what with the Volga river, which draws reference to the Battle of Stalingrad (as the film Enemy at the Gates so poetically put it "the city on the banks of the Volga where the fate of the world would be decided...") and then Potemkine which is a not even subtle reference to the film Battleship Potemkin, an Eisenstein classic of Russian, and in particular communist film about a crew of bolshevik sailors rebelling against the tsarist officers of their ship in 1905.

Kristina Karlstein has been unlocked as the third freebie:

"Drive me closer, I want to head butt them with my spikey helmet"

KalashnikovMarine
Yes, the names are pretty obvious but nice references, especially Eisenstein, even though it should be general education I don't think everyone knows immediatly from where this name came.

Regarding Ash
Ah, now I see. Sure, possible.

Great that Karlstein is nor unlocked too. So we have every tank girl and Bernadette isn't so far away either. Looking good on the front.

LnR wrote:We'll be unavailable for the next 3 hours, but we'll be back with details of the 355,000$ Free Upgrade. Just know it will be about the Troopers

I'm going to guess at some sort of alternate weapons for the basic troopers, going on conversations in the updates over the past couple of days.

Looking forward to that...

I have to admit, they really have turned the feeling of this thing around. I hope they keep responding to their backers' input and become successful because of it.

Still, I do hope we get something in plastic at some point.

Looking forward to the next update, also hoping for some cool new stretches.

They are doing far better. Now if they can manage to get the cost down somehow on the troop units (14-18% isn't nearly enough over a year out) I'd probably actually go in higher. Right now the cost is still to prohibitive to do a decent sized army a year in advance.

prankster wrote:
I'm going to guess at some sort of alternate weapons for the basic troopers, going on conversations in the updates over the past couple of days.

I'm hoping they will add a second box of five more different troopers to each army so that there are 10 unique figs to build from. Five figs is not really enough to build an army no matter how posable they are...

T

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I hope they keep responding to their backers' input and become successful because of it.

That's what they've always done in the past. Just look at the previous Raging Heroes thread and the changes they've incorporated into their miniatures.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I have to admit, they really have turned the feeling of this thing around. I hope they keep responding to their backers' input and become successful because of it.

Still, I do hope we get something in plastic at some point.

I have to admit this whole "they aren't successful" still leaves me puzzled... They already hit their funding goal and then some. Since when is the only criteria for "success" a runway, and possibly unsustainable, binge on Kickstarter?

While the big "blockbuster" Kickstarters tend to give lots of rewards to backers (which of course is good for them assuming they actually get delivered!), I'm not at all convinced it's a good thing for the companies that get them. Factor in Kickstarter's "cut", expectation for free (or discounted) shipping, and the heavy demand for deep discounts/deals/specials/you name it, and the pot of money that's needed to support a delivery schedule that stretches for months (or even close to years!) is pretty darned thin if there's no sustained sales to under pin it. Some of the recent successes are now promising product many, many months in advance which puts them in a potentially precarious position when much of their prospective revenue stream (i.e. buyers!) will have already been sopped up by the KS and they're left with an extended commitment to meet.

On top of that, most of the "blockbuster" kickstarters seem to have had problems keeping to promised timelines (and usually delays = greater costs).

It'll be interesting to see how mega KS "success stories" play out over the coming years. Will they become viable businesses, with a sustainable business model, or will the KS crack just lead to crashes?

I don't know, but I certainly don't think the jury is yet in on using KS, especially in this market, to build a sustained business. As an aside, I also have to wonder what the impact of the whole Kickstarter bubble will be on the gaming world as a whole. There're either a heck of a lot more liquid assets in the hands of gamers than I suspected, or there's going to be some tight times as gamers find their wallets squeezed by KS pledges down the road...

Valete,

JohnS

 Minx wrote:

LnR wrote:We'll be unavailable for the next 3 hours, but we'll be back with details of the 355,000$ Free Upgrade. Just know it will be about the Troopers

They are really cautious now with panicky customers:
"I am going to the lavatory for 5 minutes, please don't pull your pledge in the meantime."

 cygnnus wrote:
I have to admit this whole "they aren't successful" still leaves me puzzled... They already hit their funding goal and then some.

Raging Heroes did not spend half a year to start this Kickstarter to raise $12,000 and not unlock miniatures they had already sculpted.

If they're still not back in 3 hours and 5 minutes, I'm pulling my $10k pledge!

 cygnnus wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I have to admit, they really have turned the feeling of this thing around. I hope they keep responding to their backers' input and become successful because of it.

Still, I do hope we get something in plastic at some point.

I have to admit this whole "they aren't successful" still leaves me puzzled... They already hit their funding goal and then some. Since when is the only criteria for "success" a runway, and possibly unsustainable, binge on Kickstarter?

While the big "blockbuster" Kickstarters tend to give lots of rewards to backers (which of course is good for them assuming they actually get delivered!), I'm not at all convinced it's a good thing for the companies that get them. Factor in Kickstarter's "cut", expectation for free (or discounted) shipping, and the heavy demand for deep discounts/deals/specials/you name it, and the pot of money that's needed to support a delivery schedule that stretches for months (or even close to years!) is pretty darned thin if there's no sustained sales to under pin it. Some of the recent successes are now promising product many, many months in advance which puts them in a potentially precarious position when much of their prospective revenue stream (i.e. buyers!) will have already been sopped up by the KS and they're left with an extended commitment to meet.

On top of that, most of the "blockbuster" kickstarters seem to have had problems keeping to promised timelines (and usually delays = greater costs).

It'll be interesting to see how mega KS "success stories" play out over the coming years. Will they become viable businesses, with a sustainable business model, or will the KS crack just lead to crashes?

I don't know, but I certainly don't think the jury is yet in on using KS, especially in this market, to build a sustained business. As an aside, I also have to wonder what the impact of the whole Kickstarter bubble will be on the gaming world as a whole. There're either a heck of a lot more liquid assets in the hands of gamers than I suspected, or there's going to be some tight times as gamers find their wallets squeezed by KS pledges down the road...

Valete,

JohnS

By successful, I mean that they would unlock all of the designs they have shown so far, resulting in complete and useful armies. If they failed to unlock many of, say, the Kurganovas, it might put people off the entire line.

There's also the question of how much untapped potential a kickstarter has, as well as how it affects the company's relationship with their customers. Through the Breach was technically successful, but it left me with a sense of incompletion since they didn't hit all the book stretch goals that would provide necessary chapters for the rpg, and a bad feeling towards Wyrd behind. Mantic's KoW KS was successful, but their subsequent actions have hurt the company's reputation and half their sculpts will be duds. Thon looked great and was "successful", but ended up cancelling because they couldn't tap their potential at the time.