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lol thanks prankster I did the same and moved up to 152 saving myself 2$ as well. even though 2$ does not make much difference in the long run.

 Hulksmash wrote:
I can't support a company this unorganized.

They really aren’t acting like a company that has done nothing but plan this out for 6 months, do they? I get that someone is ill and that is bad timing but there are still 2 other people that could be doing something for the campaign. The scale and sizing issues also make you wonder.

As you folks know from my blog posts about my new Adepticon army for 2014, I am doing the combined IG/SOB thing.

Here is a side by side with a few of my Kurganovas and a recently painted Sister:

http://wappellious.blogspot.com/2013/06/as-i-was-working-on-some-other-stuff.html

Front Page changed a little bit:

 keltikhoa wrote:
lol thanks prankster I did the same and moved up to 152 saving myself 2$ as well. even though 2$ does not make much difference in the long run.

Yeah, $2 isn't that much really, but no reason not to take the saving when it's there. Though it's actually my second pledge, grabbed the $152 LT the other day. Figured I'd be pledging that much extra on top of the $230 EB commander that it was worth $20 shipping for a second set of freebies. Just have to hope that RH pull it out of the bag and get everything I'm interested in unlocked.


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 WolfStark wrote:
Front Page changed a little bit:

That makes things a little clearer, especially with regards to the bonus stuff for commander and above. Though the RRP figures seem unneeded, especially as the RRP value of the pledge is going to vary depending on what you actually take. It'd be nice to see what they're basing this off, as whilst it'd possibly be $10 heroines it doesn't quite work when you throw the KS exclusive in there.

We've unlocked the fifth free upgrade, i.e. extra bits like heads and arms for the Kurganova and IE heavy trooper boxes:

On the subject of updating the front page, anyone else notice that the Troopers image has been updated. I'm sure it used to list the RRP for the JB troopers/command as $18 rather than $20

Though I can't find an older image to be sure.

Silly Dakka autocorrecting my original domain...

prankster wrote:
On the subject of updating the front page, anyone else notice that the Troopers image has been updated. I'm sure it used to list the RRP for the JB troopers/command as $18 rather than $20

I vaguely remember this, too. But I haven't looked in a while so I might be misremembering.

It may well be that upgrading the boxes means adding more stuff to the retail product too

so they need to push up the MRSP to keep their margins

Yeah, I can see why they may increase the RRP, its just odd that the JB boxes are currently more than the others but have the same extras.

Hmm, maybe it's just me but the $40 pledge now also shows that you'll get the exclusive mini, but you don't have to pay for it. What-what?


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I'm guessing a copy-pasta feth up.

prankster wrote:
On the subject of updating the front page, anyone else notice that the Troopers image has been updated. I'm sure it used to list the RRP for the JB troopers/command as $18 rather than $20

Spoiler:

Though I can't find an older image to be sure.

Silly Dakka autocorrecting my original domain...

There was no change, they were always more expensive than the other troop boxes. I found an image from the 4th of June:

 Minx wrote:

prankster wrote:
On the subject of updating the front page, anyone else notice that the Troopers image has been updated. I'm sure it used to list the RRP for the JB troopers/command as $18 rather than $20

Spoiler:

Though I can't find an older image to be sure.

Silly Dakka autocorrecting my original domain...

There was no change, they were always more expensive than the other troop boxes. I found an image from the 4th of June:

Spoiler:

Ah, I am going crazy then, just had them down at $18 RRP in excel for calculations. Thanks for clearing that up

Project Update #19: HOW GOOD A DEAL IS THE TGG KICKSTARTER?
Posted by Loud'n Raging
Hello dear backers and pledgers :-)

Some of you have been wondering what we've been up to, so here's a mixed back of what's keeping us busy right now:

Well, we are indeed working on a thousand things at once :-)
We write long updates every day, sometimes more often.
We have just updated the front page (see below)
We are continually, even now, improving on the concept art to give you the best possible TGG armies we can, as well as outstanding Freebies!
We are working on the 3D sculpts.
We are test 3D-printing some minis, to make intelligent decisions on scale.
We are also working on banners and advertising, now that Benoit can sit in a chair to do some images,
We are also writing new press releases, discussing with suppliers, scheduling production, overseeing freelancers, managing the regular business as well, welcoming new retailers and new drop shippers, and more...

As for the concern about the slowing down of the campaign, you all know that most KS experience it at this point in time. But be confident that we are addressing it.
As for the slowdown on the unlocking of minis, we feel the pain with you, and we will address it as needed as well...

How good a deal is the TGG Kickstarter?
We're just done updating the Toughest Girls of the Galaxy front page.
We hope that things will be easier to understand this way.
If you have any comments or suggestions (or kudos!), please share them with us in the comments section.

The key point to note is the level of discount built in each pledge, BEFORE the Freebies and Free Upgrades are even applied. You will note that most of the pledges are discounted over 35%! See image here.

Pledge - Est. Retail Value - (How much is available to spend on minis)
Rookie $10 - Est. retail: $14 - ($0)
Private $15 - Est. retail: $30 - ($15)
First Class Box $40 - Est. retail: $80 - ($40)
Painter Box $95 - Est. retail: $164 - ($80)
Cadet Box $95 - Est. retail: $151 - ($80)
Lieutenant Box $165 - Est. retail: $253 - ($150)
Commander Box $245 - Est. retail: $389 - ($240)
Captain Box $365 - Est. retail: $584 - ($370)
Major Box $495 - Est. retail: $789 - ($510)
Colonel Box $745 - Est. retail: $1 205 - ($790)
General Box $995 - Est. retail: $1 609 - ($1 070)

Again, this is BEFORE the FREEBIES...

Stretch goals

You've just unlocked the FREE UPGRADE #5 on the Heavy Troopers for the Kruganova Shock Troops and the Iron Empire.

The next one is at $420,000, the Box of 3 Kurganova Snipers.

Upcoming unlocks will be in the next Update! Stay tuned!

Anyone else feel that it’s a bit misleading to cherry pick in order to advertise the highest possible discount?

For instance, if I wanted 8 boxes of Iron Empire Troops, 1 Command box, and a Heavy Weapons box, my total comes to $183.50 retail pricing on a LT pledge of $165, or a 10.08% discount before shipping is factored.

If I decide I want heavy Troops, 6 boxes of Heavy Infantry, 1 Command box, and 1 misc hero for a retail pledge of $181. Or an 8.8% discount before shipping.

Vhalan wrote:
Anyone else feel that it’s a bit misleading to cherry pick in order to advertise the highest possible discount?

They could have used "xy saves you up to z" although that might look too complicated in the pledge level graphics. All the numbers are there anyway and had been there from the beginning (and apparently confused some people even in this thread).

All they needed to add was the phrase *maximum possible saving.

Yeah, main reason I dropped is single models aren't really for me. If I wanted this it would be for an army project and the savings just aren't there for that to be worthwhile a year in advance. And since even The Warstore sells at 10% off (currently at least) it's a wash if you're not super excited about the freebies, which I haven't been so far.

And yeah, they should have put maximum savings on the KS Update.

The savings of going up a pledge-level is still not good enough for people to pledge with multiple accounts to get more freebies.

The frontpage needs a vast redesign.

(Cross Posting from the comments)

I'm utterly at a loss as to how these numbers were derived.

To break it down to an understandable level, take"Lieutenant Box $165 - Est. retail: $253 - ($150)"

What would you have to spend your $150 on that would be equal to $253 at retail?

For example, suppose one bought a mech ($30), 2 Heavy Trooper Boxes ($40), 2 Trooper boxes ($30), a big hero ($20) and basic heroes ($30).

$150, and the savings?
$5 on the mech,
$7 on the Heavies ($3.50 each),
$6 on the troopers ($3 each),
$5 on the big hero and,
$19.50 on the 3 heroes ($6.50 each).

$42.50 in savings. Which beings the value to $192.50... a far cry from $253.

In fact, I'm not sure how you can get to $253. Even buying 15 $10 heroes (so 15x$16.50= $247.50) doesn't get you to $253. Seriously, where is that extra $5.50 coming from?

I decided to do the math for my pledging.

Retail $330 + S&H
KS: $235 + S&H

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
I decided to do the math for my pledging.

Retail $330 + S&H
KS: $235 + S&H

What are you getting to accrue $95 in savings? Also, given that they claim "Commander Box $245 - Est. retail: $389 - ($240)" you're still rather short of their claimed values.

Well, going by their suggested pack (going for maximum difference) and adding leptic I think its 7,5$ less than their estimated for LT.

Lets see

Commander box
5x 10$ heroines 50$ ERP 82.50$ saves 32.50$
6x 15$ troops 90$ ERP 120 (JB) Saves 30$
6x 15$ support 90$ ERP 129 (artillery) Saves 39$
Leptic ERP 18$ Saves 18$
1 additional 10$ Heroine ERP 16.5$ Saves 16.50$

Cost 230 ERP 366 Saves 136

Leaves 23$ saves accounted for

If I go for maximum saves
23x 10$ heroines 230$ ERP 379.50$ Saves 149.50$
Leptic ERP 18$ Saves 18$
1 additional 10$ Heroine ERP 16.5$ Saves 16.50$
Cost 230$ ERP 414$ Saves 184$

If I do the above as is from last update
24x 10$ heroines 240$ ERP 396$ Saves 156$
Leptic ERP 18$ Saves 18$
Cost 240$ ERP 414$ Saves 174$

I clearly cannot see where the 389 comes from...

What's bizarre is they haven't even consistently oversold things: the math on the Commander pledge level puts the savings under the maximum. $240, 24 $10 heroes ($16.50 MSRP) is $396, they only claim a value of $389.

What?

Ugly Green Trog wrote:
All they needed to add was the phrase *maximum possible saving.

Are they using the original makeups of the pledge levels (ie 4 characters, 2 troops, 1 support, 1 ice-cream, etc) or are they now all basing the savings on buying as many $10 ($15rrp) characters as possible?


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OK, I see they're basing the numbers on Numberwang.

 Hulksmash wrote:
And since even The Warstore sells at 10% off (currently at least) it's a wash if you're not super excited about the freebies

It's cheaper(*) to buy directly from RH (disregarding the shipping costs), so i have no idea how the "10% off" works in this case

(*) I checked Ivanka and her sisters and the limited Kurganova box. Possible reason could be different currency exchange rates as the RH shop uses Euro and offers estimates for other currencies.

 Buzzsaw wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
I decided to do the math for my pledging.

Retail $330 + S&H
KS: $235 + S&H

What are you getting to accrue $95 in savings? Also, given that they claim "Commander Box $245 - Est. retail: $389 - ($240)" you're still rather short of their claimed values.

My math's a little rough because I used whole numbers, so heroines were just put down as $15 for example. ($10 Heroines that is)
but I'm getting the following:
6x $10 Heroines (one of these is the "free" heroine at the Commander level)
1x $20 Heroine
4x Grunts
2x Grunt CS
1x Heavy Grunt CS
2x Heavy Grunts
1x Sniper team

With freebies that gives me 62 odd models, all of which I can paint and enjoy for their own merits, two of which are good add ons for my army itself. (Kahno and Svetlana) I do intend to paint the rest for various stuff. How could I leave a model with the nickname "Chain Breaker" in the bits box?

Edit: For the record I have a EB Commander box at $230

To be fair, some of these are far better values at the EB range.

Doing the math....

My level is 230 EB Commander, which, with shipping and to pay for my OLD list, is at 283$

I am getting 5 10$ minis there is my 50$ allotment

I am getting the Jb trooper and command, lulus, and kurganova heavy command from my troopers, which is 70$. Throw Necro Priestess' cost here, so 90$ worth of stuff. (Full allotment met)

My support = JB Mecha, JB Sniper, JB Bike, JB Artillery, JB bike 2/3, and that makes 90$ (Full allotment met.)

That leaves me with 2 15$ minis (cruz and baba,) I will be purchasing. So that makes it 260 + 23 shipping = 283$

So, going by alotments...

Retail: Heroine allotment - 82.50
Trooper allotment - 113.50
Support Allotment - 118
Additionals - 36
Shipping - 23 (for constant)

373.00$ At retail. (The EB level keeps the 10$ mini and the 15$ exclusive as truly free, so it has to remain constant versus the retail.)

283 v 373. Great Savings, but this is assuming we unlock 8 different pieces parts.

(Yoko, Snow Ivanka, Mortoria, Baba, JB Bikesx2, JB Snipers, and Lulus.)

If someone wants to double check my math, please do! My brain is fried now.

Edit: You can't add the 10$ mini as part of the actual retail value of the box, as to be fair to the math, you have to keep all constants constant. So we can't include the KS excvlusive, or our 10$ heroine. Otherwise your math is wrong, even with rounding. It is especially wrong, because retail is 16.50, so you would round up to 17, which inflates the math heavily.

If you include the 10$ heroine, and the 15$ exclusive... Or 34.50$ extra retail value. Or would push at least my pledge over to 407.50$

This is more or less what I was planning on getting:

2 10$ heroines
2 15$ heroines
7 Kurganova Troops
2 Kurganova Heavies
3 Kurganova Artilleries

Total KS is 240$, MSRP is 306,50$ I get roughly 22% off, shipping I figure is a wash. Not bad by any stretch, as I don't have easy access to a stockist in my country that does a significant discount. One FLGS even sells above MSRP because, well, why not?


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But all in all, I guess an update is what the community was waiting for. Pledges jumped 3K since I left this morning.