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 Fafnir wrote:
The thing is, we've heard that 80% of the renders are done (or that the renders as a whole are 80% completed? Something to that effect).
As potential investors, why are we not allowed to see this?

Let's get the facts straight and not make up things just to harm Raging Heroes:

Raging Heroes wrote:Ultimately, 80% of the sculpts will be done by the end of the Kickstarter, and the rest (mainly hero characters) will be done the following month.

With that in mind, why are we not seeing any works in progress?

You already did and you will continue to do, as said already.

And yes I know that this part of KS has some own rules but that doesn't mean everyone have to follow them. It is still Kickstarter, not Amazon. Arena Rex didn't have much to show too, just a few WIPs and mostly artworks. In terms of freebies it was some but not a whole army. Not everyone is CMON.

 Fafnir wrote:
With that in mind, why are we not seeing any works in progress?

With so many people desperate to post negative comments, showing imperfect early WIP pics is not a good idea.

That's an interesting theory.

I wonder if RH actually feel the same way?

It possible that they do feel the same way, it's been about 9 days since the trooper WIPs were shown and we've not really seen anything since the follow up post saying that they were reading all of the feedback.

However, there are clearly some sculpts that they feel are either finished or pretty much finished given that they've gone to the next stage and actually have 3d prints in hand. So, unless they go through the process a number of times, stopping work on a sculpt whilst they get one printed out, these are probably either finished or needing a couple of small tweaks. In either case, they've been sat on the renders rather than sharing them with KS to get more interest.

I would feel the same way too, many veteran kickstarter companies have raised the bar and expectations quite a bit and every company entering KS with a good enough presentation is judged as a veteran player.

I don't think the final 48 hours will see the typical size of spike that other Kickstarters do.

I also believe that this will be due to their inability to post updates in a quick manner. They just don't give the impression that they can post rapid fire updates to keep the final feeding frenzy going.

There will be an influx of money, just not in the huge amounts some have seen in the past.

Updating is something they must realize is not just important, but essential.

What I think may be handy for them to do, is bash together some basic updates along the lines of "Wow, that's $X reached, SG A is now unlocked here's what's needed for figure E" Stick all these in a word document or something, ready to copy & paste over when the time is right. Should help with getting updates out swiftly when/if things start to pick up. If they were just basic unlock updates it's not too hard to combine them on the fly either.

As for how we get from here (small daily increases) to needing rapid fire unlocks, that's a bit harder. Certainly more updates are needed, with some actual content to get people motivated again. We need to see the following, sooner rather than later, to break out of the lull.
- Longer list of SGs and what levels we can unlock them at. (Both unlocks and freebies)
- More renders
- Photos of the actual 3d work they've had in hand since Friday.

The above would probably be broken down into a couple of updates, but if they've done the prep work they can throw them out in fairly quick succession.

There's also other things that have been mentioned but not really talked about further. These would probably go into another update a little time later.
- paypal option. Something that a number of KS projects use
- post KS option to add more funds
- details of adding extra freebies for $X each

Any way to get arms for modern weapons, or are they full cast mini's?

I haven't seen any info on how these girls are going to be cast.

Azazelx wrote:They need more/better extras and freebies to get more people in. Not for us - we're already pledged.

Of course, people who have already pledged might be motivated to pledge more. With more items unlocked, I'd potentially be increasing my pledge. Right now I'm not entirely sure that I even know what I want to get with the $150 I already have to spend.

Alpharius wrote:That's an interesting theory.

I wonder if RH actually feel the same way?

In one of their updates they wrote that they've been bitten by their desire to communicate in the past, and are now trying to be more cautious in what they say. It read very much like once bitten, twice shy. I believe it was the update that addressed the wave shipping, so either #20 or #21.

Have we seen anywhere near 80% of sculpts yet? More then halfway through now?


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Have we seen anywhere near 80% of sculpts yet? More then halfway through now?

Well, looks like RH are in the office again, given the updated list of Drop Ship locations. Shame that there's still not one close to me and there's not enough information on perks (other than potentially increased foot fall) to get one of the FLGSs interested here.

 HisDivineShadow wrote:
Have we seen anywhere near 80% of sculpts yet? More then halfway through now?

Nope. We have not. Of course, they also said that 80% of the sculpts would be done by the end of the KS, and didn't make any promises about halfway through. I can see why you'd expect that they would show you the sculpts, but they didn't promise to post pictures of the entire 80% either. I think we just need to be patient, and our lust for sculpts will be sated. We've still got two weeks to go, which is plenty of time for reveals.

Could it be anything to do with Kickstarter's new policies regarding renders? I remember they clarified things to state that renders that people could mistake for final products were not allowable (of course, Wild West Exodus used renders extensively for almost everything, so that argument doesn't seem to explain things).

 Jimsolo wrote:
We've still got two weeks to go, which is plenty of time for reveals.

Not at the rate they do updates.

Thing is, the longer we go without seeing more renders or actual sculpts the less time there is for them to have a positive impact on funding for the KS both short term and in bringing people back the last day to push the numbers up.

There's less than two weeks to go, based on the kicktraq count down, and we're looking at our first day of negative pledges (previous days have generally gone positive again by now). This isn't really a lull any more it's starting to look like a decline.

Even going on yesterday's data, kicktraq is projecting a top end of just under $504k by the end of the KS. This falls significantly short of the currently needed $710k to unlock everything that's already been previewed.

In all fairness, they can put more than one of two pictures per update. They might.

Still, aside from the few renders on the Main page at launch, we've been shown One render Wip.

Why not one every other update? Or every few? It can only help even if they aren't perfect It gets people talking, active, and pledging

Good press, Bad press, just spell my name right.

 RiTides wrote:
Could it be anything to do with Kickstarter's new policies regarding renders? I remember they clarified things to state that renders that people could mistake for final products were not allowable (of course, Wild West Exodus used renders extensively for almost everything, so that argument doesn't seem to explain things).

That was solely for one category, and not the games one.

HisDivineShadow wrote:Have we seen anywhere near 80% of sculpts yet?

No, because that was never claimed nor intended (see my RH quote on this very page).

HisDivineShadow wrote:

 Jimsolo wrote:
We've still got two weeks to go, which is plenty of time for reveals.

Not at the rate they do updates.

There are no fixed rates of posting updates.

HisDivineShadow wrote:Still, aside from the few renders on the Main page at launch, we've been shown One render Wip.
Why not one every other update? Or every few? It can only help even if they aren't perfect It gets people talking, active, and pledging

Again a deliberately false statement. We have been shown renders of 2 new units since launch.
And it is telling that only people making up stuff to hurt RH are demanding new material however imperfect.

Mathieu Raymond wrote:In all fairness, they can put more than one of two pictures per update. They might.

Or they might unlock three heroines at 430,000 $

I wonder whether people constantly badmouthing this campaign honestly think that a lack of updates is hurting this campaign more than their own actions

 Kroothawk wrote:

I wonder whether people constantly badmouthing this campaign honestly think that a lack of updates is hurting this campaign more than their own actions

Not only that, they think they're helping.

 Kroothawk wrote:

HisDivineShadow wrote:Still, aside from the few renders on the Main page at launch, we've been shown One render Wip.
Why not one every other update? Or every few? It can only help even if they aren't perfect It gets people talking, active, and pledging

Again a deliberately false statement. We have been shown renders of 2 new units since launch.
And it is telling that only people making up stuff to hurt RH are demanding new material however imperfect.

That being said, I think this is ascribing some malicious intent where none exists. HDS has been pretty reasonably supportive thus far, and I don't think he's making 'deliberately false' statements, nor do I think he's 'making up stuff to hurt RH.'

I think some people have unreasonable expectations, but I don't think the vast majority of them are intentionally trying to kneecap the campaign. Just a personal opinion, of course.

Update #23 · Jun 23, 2013 · comment

Hello!

As mentioned yesterday, we've updated the list of Drop Ship locations with 10 new retailers to.

Feel free to bookmark this link to stay current, as we'll continue to add new retailers whenever they contact us.

How will it work?

When the first wave is ready to ship, we'll contact you so that you can indicate if a Drop Ship location is near you and of interest to you.

If that is the case, your package will be prepared and sealed, and your name will be on it. The retailer will not have to do any sorting or preparing of any kind.

We also answered 2 questions yesterday, which we thought might be of interest to you:

Regarding the ship dates for your pledge: basically, as soon as a wave of minis becomes available, any pledge rewards that can be fully shipped will be shipped. Absolutely no reason to have you wait until March 2014 if everything you chose is ready in October 2013!

Also, someone asked what the cost would be for the wave shipping: that will depend on the weight of the parcel. It will be the French Post rate for small parcels + the tracking sticker cost.

And stay tuned for our next update today, featuring the 3D printed prototype of One-Shot Blondie.

Looking forward for that next update!

Indeed, hopefully it'll be more than one photo though so we can actually get a good look at her.

Though I was kind of hoping for more than one 3D print being shown off over the weekend.

prankster wrote:
Thing is, the longer we go without seeing more renders or actual sculpts the less time there is for them to have a positive impact on funding for the KS both short term and in bringing people back the last day to push the numbers up.

There's less than two weeks to go, based on the kicktraq count down, and we're looking at our first day of negative pledges (previous days have generally gone positive again by now). This isn't really a lull any more it's starting to look like a decline.

Even going on yesterday's data, kicktraq is projecting a top end of just under $504k by the end of the KS. This falls significantly short of the currently needed $710k to unlock everything that's already been previewed.

I'm not sure that there's much value in Kicktraq's projections just yet. They tend to show fairly linear upper and lower bounds, which seems to ignore the trend of many mini Kickstarters to have an exponential hook on the last day or two. So while it might be fair to say that, minus any last minute hook, the KS should end around 475-510k, that's really only giving us a lower bound on what to expect.

I think the criticism is at the very least, at least in my case, indication that we care. I think apathy would be worse.

I already said I'd pay for extra shipping, by pledging I am tacitly showing I can and will wait for the product to ship. Now am I allowed just a tiny bit of impatience in wanting to see the renders? Please?

 Kroothawk wrote:

No, because that was never claimed nor intended (see my RH quote on this very page).

There is an understanding and hoped for, implied or not, that backers might get to see work if done before the end of the project.

There are no fixed rates of posting updates.

Irrelevant. I didn't say based on scientific projections of posting ratio.

Again a deliberately false statement. We have been shown renders of 2 new units since launch.

I'll concede this point, as I forgot about the earlier ones for the reg Kurganovs. Still. Even the fact that I forgot about them is telling. Because they are hidden deep in the updates. And I've vociferously followed this since pre launch.

And it is telling that only people making up stuff to hurt RH are demanding new material however imperfect.
I wonder whether people constantly badmouthing this campaign honestly think that a lack of updates is hurting this campaign more than their own actions

Odd that by claiming I'm maliciously making stuff up you are malicously making something up, just saying that, because that would mean that people who want it to succeed DO NOT WANT MORE. Which is hilariously facetious. .

 Lansirill wrote:

prankster wrote:
Even going on yesterday's data, kicktraq is projecting a top end of just under $504k by the end of the KS. This falls significantly short of the currently needed $710k to unlock everything that's already been previewed.

I'm not sure that there's much value in Kicktraq's projections just yet. They tend to show fairly linear upper and lower bounds, which seems to ignore the trend of many mini Kickstarters to have an exponential hook on the last day or two. So while it might be fair to say that, minus any last minute hook, the KS should end around 475-510k, that's really only giving us a lower bound on what to expect.

I fully appreciate that many mini KS projects have an upwards swing in the last day, its easy to see on a number of other projects. The thing is, I'm not sure that RH will have as big an upward swing as some people seem to expect, which means that we need an improvement now to get more things unlocked to actually get people in for the last minute boost and ensure that everything is unlocked. Every slow day just means that the last day has to be that much better to avoid people being disappointed that X or Y isn't unlocked and pulling or reducing their pledge.