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**WolfStark**

New Update, Akelsandr Kurganov is unlocked

Aleksandr Kurganov is deeply loved and seen as the good father of the Kurgan nation.

His courage and his integrity have always stood in contrast with the corrupt and greedy Kurgan high society and political milieu.

But his life would mean little to him without his 3 daughters, Olga, Ivanka and Malinka, and his wife, the supreme ruler of the Kurgans.

Universally praised as a military genius, Aleksandr outdoes himself when he works in sync with his three daughters.
Together, they are capable of hatching the cleverest strategies and achieving the most outstanding wins.

It was Aleksandr who gave a puppy to his daughters, for Malinka's 10th birthday.
Although nobody quite knows where Charlie the war bulldog came from, or why he's always wearing the hats of military heroes of ancient times...

**PsychoticStorm**

Edit because WolfStark posted it first.

Spoiler:

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

There's something very wrong with that sword arm

**BrookM**

I wonder if we're treated to a new Charlie sculpt or the same one as found in the limited edition boxed set.

**TIC**

Hola!

Any chance that the Artillery Support pieces will have the option to come separately? I would love to have the option of buying the gunners without the heavy weapon to put on my barrage tanks like a Basilisk....

Teras
Geek Nation Tours

**Crimson**

OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
There's something very wrong with that sword arm

The angle of the gloved hand is slightly wrong in relation to the sword and rest of the arm, making the foreshortening and the grip look weird. I am sure this will not affect the actual miniature.

**BobtheInquisitor**

PsychoticStorm wrote:
Crimson wrote:
The model with lengthened mid-section has freakishly long torso. It would be even more apparent if she hadn't the gun in front of her. I wish that people who have no clue about anatomy would stop making suggestions how to 'correct' anatomy of the models.

Ok then why don't you stop?

Weren't you the guy who wanted 1:3:3? That only works if she's 5'3".

Plus you were using a fully-helmeted head to measure the "1" part of that, right?

Just making sure we're all on the same page here with respect to anatomy, Mr Liefeld.

**BrookM**

Being called Rob? Now that's a burrrrrrrrn.

**Alpharius**

On top of that, it is getting a bit too snarky in here, again.

Rule #1 every one - thanks!

**PsychoticStorm**

Nah, I was expecting such a response.

my "campaign" was to lengthen the torso, a "2 heads torso" is too small regardless of the legs been 3 (a common drawing proportion) 3,5 which is the normal or 4 which is the idealized/ supermodel proportions (and what RH are using in their concept art), I chose 3 heads legs or 1/3/3 which is closer to 1/2/3 than it is 1/2/3,5 or 1/3/4 but in all cases my main concern is the torso been too small and not the length of the legs which is secondary issue at the moment.

Now I think, when somebody pointed out the helmet, I illustrated I was counting heads not helmets, but was this even needed, one should at least assume that much.

TLDR
My main argument is the torso is too short, which however much one may try to attack my initial suggestion on keeping 3 heads legs, does not change it as a fact.

**Minx**

PsychoticStorm wrote:
my "campaign" was to lengthen the torso, a "2 heads torso" is too small regardless of the legs been 3 (a common drawing proportion) 3,5 which is the normal or 4 which is the idealized/ supermodel proportions (and what RH are using in their concept art), I chose 3 heads legs or 1/3/3 which is closer to 1/2/3 than it is 1/2/3,5 or 1/3/4 but in all cases my main concern is the torso been too small and not the length of the legs which is secondary issue at the moment.

Now I think, when somebody pointed out the helmet, I illustrated I was counting heads not helmets, but was this even needed, one should at least assume that much.

TLDR
My main argument is the torso is too short, which however much one may try to attack my initial suggestion on keeping 3 heads legs, does not change it as a fact.

Having the same length for legs and torso looks weird and is also not at all like the average adult human anatomy. Moreover, the RH minis and their concept art do not follow a two-heads-torso model. The torsi are longer, probably around 2.5 heads.

Your illustration showed red lines around the helmet (maybe even further apart); a more accurate measurement of the head might help you realize the proportion of the torso is not (that far) off.

**PsychoticStorm**

I thought I had clearly illustrated that and no I am not objecting to more leg space, I even made images with 3,5 and 4 heads legs I am objecting to 2 heads torso.

**Minx**

PsychoticStorm wrote:
I thought I had clearly illustrated that and no I am not objecting to more leg space, I even made images with 3,5 and 4 heads legs I am objecting to 2 heads torso.

Does that look like a good head measure?

Edit: There's space above and below the head in addition to the miniatures hairdo.

**Crimson**

PsychoticStorm wrote:
I thought I had clearly illustrated that and no I am not objecting to more leg space, I even made images with 3,5 and 4 heads legs I am objecting to 2 heads torso.

This image shows about 2.2/2.8 torso/leg ratio, which is pretty much perfect. Only problem with the torso is that boobs are somewhat too large, making the rest of the torso appear small. But they already said they're fixing that.

**Buzzsaw**

Crimson wrote:
PsychoticStorm wrote:
I thought I had clearly illustrated that and no I am not objecting to more leg space, I even made images with 3,5 and 4 heads legs I am objecting to 2 heads torso.

This image shows about 2.2/2.8 torso/leg ratio, which is pretty much perfect. Only problem with the torso is that boobs are somewhat too large, making the rest of the torso appear small. But they already said they're fixing that.

I would disagree: while recognizing that leg/torso ratio varies greatly in humans (especially when gender and ethnicity are taken into account) I think a somewhat longer torso would be preferable, especially for the trooper models. The heroes who are all bespoke, their proportions seem fine.

In fairness, it seems rather silly that they used a figure with a large rifle covering the midsection. It makes this evaluation unnecessarily problematic.

**MrMoustaffa**

These recent 3d sculpts are making me rethink some of the stuff I was wanting. Where are you guys finding these? I want to check out the other troopers I was thinking of getting to make sure they're not something I'd end up regretting.

**Azazelx**

AlexHolker wrote:
Jimsolo wrote:
Actually, for once we're in agreement.

I still don't get your antipathy towards making a couple of plastic kits in addition to the restic kits. More options are better, not worse.

The whole "plastic" thing they teased at the start seems to have been backpedalled away from, with the recent comment about essentially using restic for the troops. It might have been one of their ONE MEEELION DOLLARS pipe-dream options. To the naysayers on plastic holding detail, I suggest a look at GW's kits (the recent-er, the more detailed) and Dreamforge's Eisenkern. On the other hand, it appears the tooling cost can vary wildly, with the amount of stuff that Dreamforge got/is getting tooled for $120k or so, versus the still-very-expensive quotes that got thrown around earlier. Add in the fact that these guys are doing a truckload of sculpts, and it simply may not be affordable/feasible for them to do our lovely preferred hard plastic at this stage.

**Minx**

Azazelx wrote:
The whole "plastic" thing they teased at the start seems to have been backpedalled away from

It always sounded like a vague back-up plan and not really like a tease:

LnR wrote:We split the casting between two foundries: One in metal and one in resin, so that neither gets overwhelmed with volume should this KS exceed expectations. And if this Kickstarter was to go extremely well, we also have back-up plans for injected plastics.

**Azazelx**

They shouldn't have mentioned it at all if they weren't likely to follow through. They also should have and still need to spell out their materials in big bold fething letters on the main page of the KS, since there's still apparently endless confusion about whether they are using metal, plastic, resin, or restic.

I mean, it's pretty clear to me that its metal for the heroes and restic for the troops, but it keeps coming up every other page, and frankly it couldn't hurt to have the materials for each figure category listed on the front page.

Heroes
Command
Troops
Heavies
Support
Bikes
Mecha

Because clarity is a good thing while confusion is a bad thing.

Heralds? Please pass this request on?

**PsychoticStorm**

Azazelx wrote:
To the naysayers on plastic holding detail, I suggest a look at GW's kits (the recent-er, the more detailed) and Dreamforge's Eisenkern.

Like the dark elf sorceress, female vampires and sisters of avalon whose breasts sides are rather flat because doing otherwise would need undercuts (the sorceress in particular has her face on a separate part because of it), like the high elf chariot whose lions inner fingers are non existent because doing otherwise needs undercuts, like the ever present purity seals and odd cable thing on all space marine feet because not having it would requite an undercut?

Plastic main problem and why it cannot do organic forms and dynamic poses (unless it is split in a billion parts) is that it cannot have undercuts, it may have great detail and the fingers on the vampiresses hands are a good example on how good detail it may hold, but it means nothing if it cannot hold the forms you want it to and produces models that are essentially posed as if they are pressed together.

**Melissia**

Crimson wrote:
PsychoticStorm wrote:
I thought I had clearly illustrated that and no I am not objecting to more leg space, I even made images with 3,5 and 4 heads legs I am objecting to 2 heads torso.

This image shows about 2.2/2.8 torso/leg ratio, which is pretty much perfect. Only problem with the torso is that boobs are somewhat too large, making the rest of the torso appear small. But they already said they're fixing that.

Whatever the case, it put me off ordering any of them for now.

**Azazelx**

And this is a problem for multi-part, multi-pose troops, how? Look at the Dark Eldar plastics for example.

In case you're confused, I'm not suggesting that the mono-pose heroes should be done in plastic, but for multi-part troopers, it would be ideal, if it were affordable. I don't see the issue with the Sisters of Avalorn? Breasts not distinctive enough for you? They're wearing armour. Not every model needs to have huge, ridiculous boob-cup armour like Brunhilde or the previewed heavies.

**BobtheInquisitor**

PsychoticStorm wrote:
I thought I had clearly illustrated that and no I am not objecting to more leg space, I even made images with 3,5 and 4 heads legs I am objecting to 2 heads torso.

That head doesn't look like it fits properly in the helmet, but even more concerning is the amount of neck space under each chin and the fluffy hair you include in each "head unit" you measure.

**Sangarn**

i hope they will drop off those winged star on the helmets,
I prefer the helmet from the concept art + an blank area on the helmet is beter for customising ours army

**BrookM**

I'm sure if the mini is resin, restic, whateverin, you can easily remove it.

**PsychoticStorm**

Plastic dark eldar have the same issues.

What is my issue with the sisters of avalon? well they may be wearing armour, that still does not mean they have a normal looking side, sure not follow the contour of the breasts side, but the armour should be curving inwards not extend outwards of the body.

GW may have a nice technology with plastics it may have managed to get nice computer assisted sprew layout which crams more in the available real estate and more cavities on the sprew, but the main issues with plastics, no undercuts remain.

Edit the neck space is two humongous pixels, feel free to add 4 pixels to the equation, the fluffy hair have been accounted for.

**Fafnir**

She should be 7 heads tall anyway.

**MrMoustaffa**

PsychoticStorm wrote:
Plastic dark eldar have the same issues.

What is my issue with the sisters of avalon? well they may be wearing armour, that still does not mean they have a normal looking side, sure not follow the contour of the breasts side, but the armour should be curving inwards not extend outwards of the body.

GW may have a nice technology with plastics it may have managed to get nice computer assisted sprew layout which crams more in the available real estate and more cavities on the sprew, but the main issues with plastics, no undercuts remain.

Edit the neck space is two humongous pixels, feel free to add 4 pixels to the equation, the fluffy hair have been accounted for.

I'll be completely honest here, most people will never notice. And on the table, you'll almost never see those undercuts unless you closely observe them.

For the heroes and special characters? Sure, give me the cool stuff. They'll be given more attention on the table.

But for the rank and file troopers? I can live without some underboob to get cheaper minis

**timd**

BrookM wrote:
I'm sure if the mini is resin, restic, whateverin, you can easily remove it.

For one figure or five figures its easy, but when talking about an army its no longer really "easy".

Detail and proportions on the concept art helmet are much nicer than the render and I think overall, the comments have supported this. Would be much easier for RH to do the mods in the 3D file rather then have us have to mod each fig...

T

**Melissia**

Somehow I feel like the sculptors themselves couldn't live without sculpting underboob though.