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They already noted the math error in the comments section of the update.

 AlexHolker wrote:
They're using dodgy maths again. The General box doesn't get you twice as many models as the Colonel box, so there's no way in hell it's going to get you more than double the retail value.

Or they could have just made a typo.

 AlexHolker wrote:

 WolfStark wrote:
All COLONEL BOX pledges (including Early Birds) are getting an additional $30 credit to spend as they will.

This means that when you pledge $745 for a COLONEL Box,
you can now pick $820 worth of Toughest Girls of the Galaxy miniatures.
Of course, you also get Drusilla (Kickstarter exclusive) Drusilla + the TGG Digital Artbook + all unlocked Freebies.
The Colonel Box has an estimated retail value of $1248 + the retail value of the Freebies...

All GENERAL BOX pledges (including Early Birds) are getting an additional $60 credit to spend as they will.

This means that when you pledge $995 for a GENERAL Box,
you can now pick $1130 worth of Toughest Girls of the Galaxy miniatures.
Of course, you also get Drusilla (Kickstarter exclusive) Drusilla + the TGG Digital Artbook + all unlocked Freebies.
The General Box has an estimated retail value of $2568 + the retail value of the Freebies...

They're using dodgy maths again. The General box doesn't get you twice as many models as the Colonel box, so there's no way in hell it's going to get you more than double the retail value.

Whatever virtues RH has as a design and manufacturer, clear and transparent math is not to be counted as one.

The $1130 of miniature picks has a maximum value of $1864.50 (if one were to spend the entire amount on $10 heroes with a value of $16.50 each), which, once one adds the "value" of the KS exclusive and the "art book" ($18 and $14 respectively), becomes $1896.5 before "freebies".

The $1130 has a minimum value of $1320 (purchase of 37 $30 mechs and a single $20 heroine), $1352 after non-discretionary add-ons.

Yet their (corrected) valuation is that "The General Box has an estimated retail value of $1694 + the retail value of the Freebies..." (FYI, the average of the minimum and maximum values is $1624.25.)

The math to produce such a value is... opaque, shall we say. It reflects a valuation scheme so rigid and unintuitive it is bizarre they insist on stamping the project with it. Even in the comments they state "The correct est. retail value is about $1694, assuming that for each additional bonus $15 credit, someone were to grab a unit box retailing at $21.50."

They really should stop putting estimated retail value on things.

 Buzzsaw wrote:
The math to produce such a value is... opaque, shall we say. It reflects a valuation scheme so rigid and unintuitive it is bizarre they insist on stamping the project with it. Even in the comments they state "The correct est. retail value is about $1694, assuming that for each additional bonus $15 credit, someone were to grab a unit box retailing at $21.50."

What a lucky coincidence it is that the unit whose RRP they're using as a yardstick to talk about how much you're saving is also the only unit whose RRP they increased.

Aren't they planning to increase all of the units' RRPs once they add some upgrade bits or something?

I'm not sure that they will, the heroines are already at a sufficiently high RRP to cover the few small extras that they might get. The troopers were the only ones where the RRP was low once they started adding a number of extras to the box.

As for the extra reward for the higher levels, I can't see it getting many people to jump to those, especially given the average pledge per person is relatively low. Now if they'd started doubling down on the freebies they may have persuaded more people to increase their pledge rather than going for a second/third pledge.

Personally, I think I'll stick with my EB commanders unless I can snag an EB captain for one to cover the extras. As, barring any bike / mecha reveals that are totally epic, I'm just about set for what I intend to pick up.

 AlexHolker wrote:

 Buzzsaw wrote:
The math to produce such a value is... opaque, shall we say. It reflects a valuation scheme so rigid and unintuitive it is bizarre they insist on stamping the project with it. Even in the comments they state "The correct est. retail value is about $1694, assuming that for each additional bonus $15 credit, someone were to grab a unit box retailing at $21.50."

What a lucky coincidence it is that the unit whose RRP they're using as a yardstick to talk about how much you're saving is also the only unit whose RRP they increased.

All $15 support boxes apart from the bikes were going to be retailed at $21.50. But never let facts get in the way of a good posting

THE EMINENCE BOX LEVEL launching in about 10 minutes
Update #42 · Jul 1, 2013 · comment

The EMINENCE BOX Level has been set at $1490.

We have upped the bonus minis even higher on this one, and so this pledge level will allow you to choose $1820 worth of Toughest Girls of the Galaxy miniatures (that is, $1490 pledged + $240 offered) + Kickstarter exclusive miniature + the TGG Digital Artbook. This level also INCLUDES ACCESS TO ALL UNLOCKED FREEBIES. Shipping: US add $23. EU add 20$. France add $10. Other countries, please see FAQ.

This is opening in about 10 minutes, with a few early bird specials for those interested. Here's a countdown to see when we unlock this level.

Now that is a crazy pledge - I wonder if there will be any takers?

There'll probably be a few, though I can't see there being a mad rush for the EBs.


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And they're up, $1450 for the EB level and there's 5 available.


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Well the first 5 have gone, as have the second 5 (at $1460) another 5 posted now.

Going faster than I expected.

It's rather mind boggling to me, but there are some people throwing some really serious money at this: all the EB General pledge levels are filled (between $950 and $970) and there are still 18 people at General ($995).

Are these businesses? Group pledges?

Wow - that was unexpected.

Remember guys, there's an element of Boutique Cheesecake at work here - similar to Poots and his KD stuff, but without the penis monsters.


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Not to mention the creative Maths at work for the values.

 Azazelx wrote:
Remember guys, there's an element of Boutique Cheesecake at work here - similar to Poots and his KD stuff, but without the penis monsters.

Yes, and tha'ts exactly why I'm not getting any of them.

Please stay on topic. -Mannahnin

 Melissia wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:
Remember guys, there's an element of Boutique Cheesecake at work here - similar to Poots and his KD stuff, but without the penis monsters.

Yes, and tha'ts exactly why I'm not getting any of them.

Cool story, bro.

I, too, am shocked those high level ones went so quickly. Dayum.

Please stay on topic. -Mannahnin

At this point, I'm torn between going all in on just one faction, or splitting between Jailbirds and Iron Empire. With less than a week left, I'd have hoped to see more renders of the other 2 factions, but so far I'm not entirely sold on the troops yet. The Heroines I have faith will be represented well, but having seen both the KST Heavies and Regulars, I'm not sold on their translation from concept to miniature.

Hopefully RH will deliver some more renders before the campaign ends.

~iPaint

 Azazelx wrote:
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Not to mention the creative Maths at work for the values.

Creative maths or not these still give a great discount. I just used the Skykadia calculator using the full price Eminence pledge level. Its a LOT of minis.

I was able to select 30 of the 38 heroines. not very interested in the 8 that I did not select.
Also 10 boxes each JB regular and command troops
3 boxes Lulus
4 boxes each of Kurganova Shock Troop, Command, Heavy, and Heavy command
3 boxes each JB artillery 1,2,3, Bike 1,2,3, and Mech
5 boxes JB sniper unit
3 boxes each KST Artillery 1,2,3 bike 1,2,3, mech, and sniper unit.

thats 345 models (counting the Artillery as 3 models) for $1490. A RRP of $2537. and a Savings of $1024 or 40%.
Account in the fact that shipping is $23 even for this many models and your saving most likely $100-200 on shipping.

When I buy models I usually purchase from websites that offer 20 - 30% savings on price. If I had the money to jump to this level of a pledge I would do it in a heartbeat because the only time you see 40% discount is when stuff is clearance. And if stuff is clearance then likely you do not get exactly what you want.

Yes their math on the pledge levels may be a bit off but the fact of the matter is the discount for this KS IS GOOD.

 -iPaint- wrote:
At this point, I'm torn between going all in on just one faction, or splitting between Jailbirds and Iron Empire. With less than a week left, I'd have hoped to see more renders of the other 2 factions, but so far I'm not entirely sold on the troops yet. The Heroines I have faith will be represented well, but having seen both the KST Heavies and Regulars, I'm not sold on their translation from concept to miniature.
~iPaint

We do need more renders of the troops. Thinking about dropping from Commander to Lt and just getting heroines for now and waiting for troops to hit the stores. This KS has been very badly run...

 Azazelx wrote:
Remember guys, there's an element of Boutique Cheesecake at work here - similar to Poots and his KD stuff, but without the penis monsters.


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Not to mention the creative Maths at work for the values.

That is what makes this so odd: KD:M had a number of very, very high price pledge levels, but they were true to the idea of a "boutique" experience. They offered things like unique sculpts, individually number copies of a custom lithograph and a complete collection of everything KD has ever made. It still amazes that KD:M made $45k off pledges of $1k or more, but it can be explained that they were getting things that were otherwise unavailable.

The Eminence pledge levels don't offer... well, anything unique. It's the same items that anyone pledging over Lt. level has access to, just a somewhat better discount on a whole lot of stuff.

Interestingly this is reflected in the behavior of the pledge amounts, consider;
5 @ $1450 (EB), [$7250]
5 @ $1460 (EB), [$7300]
5 @ $1465 (EB), [$7325]
5 @ $1470 (EB), [$7350]
0 @ $1475 (EB), [$0]
0 @ $1490 (non-EB) [$0]

$29,225 is accounted for in those pledge levels that have existed only since this morning, but the total increase is substantially less. That is because a non-trivial number of the people now holding those EB pledge levels were previously pledging huge amounts.

 Fafnir wrote:
So, we're at 6 days left, and we still have yet to see any new renders outside of the disappointing troop box.

The least they could do is start releasing renders of the finished heroes, or show off some WIPs.

Very unlikely they would risk it at this stage, the last troop render / print was not universally well received, and the pledges dropped.

 Buzzsaw wrote:
$29,225 is accounted for in those pledge levels that have existed only since this morning, but the total increase is substantially less. That is because a non-trivial number of the people now holding those EB pledge levels were previously pledging huge amounts.

And people who didn't get EB moved to those spots as they opened up. I wasn't able to get online or I would have grabbed a Commander or Captain EB. :(

This KS has an odd vibe to it. I don't think we'll be able to play the "EB mini game" the way we usually can with other projects.

Well, they've been having issues with some of the EBs not actually opening up when people have moved off them. Doesn't seem to have affected all of them, but some of the numbers are certainly down from how many were made available on day one.

Just for the record:
4000% passed today, more than 25,000$ raised today. Guess mostly with those eminent pledges.

THE IRON EMPIRE SNIPERS - now unlocked
Update #43 · Jul 1, 2013 · comment

Snipers are always a terrifying menace, taking you out before you've even heard the shot.

Invisible, patient, as deadly as the spider in its web.

But the Iron Empire Snipers instill even more fear in the hearts of their enemies...
There are many rumours about them, so of them false, some of them true...

Soldiers from other factions tend to think that the IE Snipers are grim reapers harvesting bodies for the Priestesses and Embalmers, condemning one to an eternal life of slavery that is worse than death.
There are those who say that the IE Snipers can appear and disappear straight out of and into shadows.
Some even say that their bullets will take not just your body, but also your soul...

The truth is that most of the Iron Empire Snipers are undead.
They don't breathe, they don't eat, they don't sleep.
They can hold the same position for days on end without moving a muscle.

Until you cross their line of sight...

I feel I like the concept art of their rank and file much more than many of their heroes, I really hope the final models are as close to the art as possible.

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
I feel I like the concept art of their rank and file much more than many of their heroes, I really hope the final models are as close to the art as possible.

Judging by the renders of the Kurganova troopers, they won't be. Which is why they won't show us any of the renders. Which is why I won't be buying any of them.

 Kroothawk wrote:
Just for the record:
4000% passed today, more than 25,000$ raised today. Guess mostly with those eminent pledges.

Since my earlier post 2 $1,480 backers have been added, meaning that Eminence level backers are responsible for at least $32,185. The growth today has been entirely (or at least to the degree it can be discerned) from these mega $1k+ pledges.

A fascinating incident for future consideration.