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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/05 13:32:02
Subject: Raging Heroes [official] Toughest Girls of the Galaxy Kickstarter - $698,548 Finish!
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Last Remaining Whole C'Tan
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The issue here is that the update contains no meaningful content, for example, no images of works in progress or images we haven't already seen, no ETA's, and so on.
I myself am not butthurt about it. I figure they will eventually ship product, and it will eventually look pretty good; so may as well enjoy watching them flail about in the meantime, communication-wise.
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lord_blackfang wrote:Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/05 14:44:52
Subject: Raging Heroes [official] Toughest Girls of the Galaxy Kickstarter - $698,548 Finish!
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Fixture of Dakka
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Just so you know, we are currently working on finalizing a new batch of Heroines, as well as the Lulu's!
This was about the only line we needed of the whole text. Seriously. But I'm beginning to think they are infected by newer reforms in education where people writing texts are unable to synthesize, summarize and get to the bloody point. My employee (Did most of her education in France) was unable to get out of the introduction section of an essay because she would get mired in meandering thoughts.
We'll be writing up a longer update very soon with many images, as well as a special treat about the KSTs (no, don't even try to guess, it is not something that was featured in the Kickstarter... but if you had not yet completely fallen for the KST girls, well, this might just tip you over to their side...). There will also be a lot of info on other topics: of course, everything about the TGG minis and your feedback and questions from the last Update, details on the upcoming Webinar, your reactions to our Dark Elves (and a word or two on the Sisters of Eternal Mercy as well), and moreā¦
Backers of TGG have pledged for TGG, not Dark Elves, not Sisters of Eternal Mercy, those comments are for your Facebook page or, better yet, your own damn website.
BobtheInquisitor wrote:So, they didn't address any concerns or criticisms at all, eh? Nice.
Also, "We delayed this update so we would be on hand to answer questions...then we went on vacation."
By not addressing it, they are addressing it. "Shove it, guys."
RoninXiC wrote:250 parts? parts of WHAT? New minis? Old ones? So you are changing things? Tell us!
So... you are fixing things to get them to the 3d printer.. what about our comments and (constructive) criticism...
Ah but see, we'll tell you about all the other things were doing, but not what you've paid us for.
Seriously. I am not fazed at all that some of them took a week of vacation, because I've seen my fiancee become increasingly less productive as she worked 7 days a week, and long hours to boot. You get to a stupid point and that would have... well... could it have made things worse? I don't know. Anyway, it's done.
They just set themselves up again for a big comms fallout though, by promising a long, concrete update again. What does very soon mean?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/05 14:52:07
Subject: Raging Heroes [official] Toughest Girls of the Galaxy Kickstarter - $698,548 Finish!
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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Mathieu Raymond wrote:They just set themselves up again for a big comms fallout though, by promising a long, concrete update again. What does very soon mean?
I can say with absolute, 100%, almost complete certainty that it means "before the dying Sun consumes the Earth." Beyond that, your guess is as good as mine.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/05 14:54:13
Subject: Raging Heroes [official] Toughest Girls of the Galaxy Kickstarter - $698,548 Finish!
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Ouze wrote:
The issue here is that the update contains no meaningful content, for example, no images of works in progress or images we haven't already seen, no ETA's, and so on.
I myself am not butthurt about it. I figure they will eventually ship product, and it will eventually look pretty good; so may as well enjoy watching them flail about in the meantime, communication-wise.
Maybe they don't have any? If they give an ETA and don't meet in then people again...moan.
If they don't update people moan, if they do update but not with people want then they still moan! You're not all shareholders, if they have nothing to share then they can't just invent something.
They even say they're hiring additional staff to help out, is that not what people want? Surely that counts as content in the update?
Raging Heroes have not been great, but 90% of the people in here have taken it to a level now where they're damned if they do and damned if they don't.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/05 14:58:44
Subject: Raging Heroes [official] Toughest Girls of the Galaxy Kickstarter - $698,548 Finish!
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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shamikebab wrote:Raging Heroes have not been great, but 90% of the people in here have taken it to a level now where they're damned if they do and damned if they don't.
I think it would be more accurate to say that Raging Heroes has gone past an event horizon of damnation. Anything they post in the next update is going to be stuff they said they'd have ready a month ago. They are already damned, the best they can hope for (short of HIPS and new, cheaper prices) is to not damn themselves further.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/05 14:59:32
Subject: Raging Heroes [official] Toughest Girls of the Galaxy Kickstarter - $698,548 Finish!
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How can they not have any updates? They had a MONTH to comeup with ANYTHING.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/05 15:09:29
Subject: Re:Raging Heroes [official] Toughest Girls of the Galaxy Kickstarter - $698,548 Finish!
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Mutating Changebringer
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Sigh... So, in response to a question about what, if any, feedback was acted on we get this;
Loud'n Raging wrote:@Buzzsaw: Coming soon. As mentioned in the last paragraph above: "We'll be writing up a longer update very soon [...] everything about the TGG minis and your feedback and questions from the last Update..."
Please note, what they said they were doing in lieu of communicating;
We had to concentrate of the very tedious and unglamorous task of finalizing the last technical details to send the sculpts to 3D printing. More than 250 parts to be cleaned, checked, polished, double-checked, and then ran through some sort of black magic software that conform them for the 3D printer... then triple-checked.... and then quadruple-checked...
So they have absolutely final details on "250 parts". But despite nearly a month long lapse between communications, no time for a single new image, not even the time to describe any of the changes due to feedback.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/05 15:11:50
Subject: Raging Heroes [official] Toughest Girls of the Galaxy Kickstarter - $698,548 Finish!
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AlexHolker wrote: shamikebab wrote:Raging Heroes have not been great, but 90% of the people in here have taken it to a level now where they're damned if they do and damned if they don't.
I think it would be more accurate to say that Raging Heroes has gone past an event horizon of damnation. Anything they post in the next update is going to be stuff they said they'd have ready a month ago. They are already damned, the best they can hope for (short of HIPS and new, cheaper prices) is to not damn themselves further.
And how do they do that exactly? If they don't update then people moan and if they do update but without what people want they do moan. They're in a no-win position at the moment. If they don't have anything ready to show then they just don't have anything ready to show.
The update tells us what they have been doing and what they are working on, I don't see a problem with that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/05 15:12:17
Subject: Raging Heroes [official] Toughest Girls of the Galaxy Kickstarter - $698,548 Finish!
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Fixture of Dakka
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As Shamikebab said, to be fair, they did come up with something: a new employee...
...but unless they are doing it American Idol style, this still should have consumed a whole month.
Alex: I think the sun will have baked us beyond hope long before it actually swells to the Earth's orbit... so it narrows it down a bit further.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/05 17:05:15
Subject: Raging Heroes [official] Toughest Girls of the Galaxy Kickstarter - $698,548 Finish!
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Stone Bonkers Fabricator General
We'll find out soon enough eh.
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shamikebab wrote: AlexHolker wrote: shamikebab wrote:Raging Heroes have not been great, but 90% of the people in here have taken it to a level now where they're damned if they do and damned if they don't.
I think it would be more accurate to say that Raging Heroes has gone past an event horizon of damnation. Anything they post in the next update is going to be stuff they said they'd have ready a month ago. They are already damned, the best they can hope for (short of HIPS and new, cheaper prices) is to not damn themselves further.
And how do they do that exactly? If they don't update then people moan and if they do update but without what people want they do moan. They're in a no-win position at the moment. If they don't have anything ready to show then they just don't have anything ready to show.
The update tells us what they have been doing and what they are working on, I don't see a problem with that.
See, it's not a no-win position just because you only mentioned two of the three possible options they have. For the record, the third option is "update with what people want", ie what us normal Earthlings would refer to as "competence". This project was funded four months ago; they still have not told us what scale these models are in, they've not confirmed either way if they are taking any feedback they've been given on board, they've lied repeatedly about how much work they've done or about their motivations for delaying updates, and of course the few updates they have put out have been virtually devoid of useful information but crammed with pointless waffling and discussion about future projects. Meanwhile, they accuse people who have justifiably tired of their antics of being "twitter-weaned children" or whatever the phrase was, they've taken two holidays totalling almost a quarter of the time since the project funded, and they still find they have enough free time on their hands to fart about on the internet looking for gifs to update their tumblr page with.
These guys are a complete joke at this point, and you will not be allowed to get away with trying to shame people for pointing out that they are, in fact, a joke.
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I need to acquire plastic Skavenslaves, can you help?
I have a blog now, evidently. Featuring the Alternative Mordheim Model Megalist.
"Your society's broken, so who should we blame? Should we blame the rich, powerful people who caused it? No, lets blame the people with no power and no money and those immigrants who don't even have the vote. Yea, it must be their fething fault." - Iain M Banks
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/05 17:30:54
Subject: Raging Heroes [official] Toughest Girls of the Galaxy Kickstarter - $698,548 Finish!
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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They and this thread are my living(?) entertainment system
A perfect example of tortured artists who will only act as the mood takes them, not how others want them too
even though it would be in their best interests to do so
(I've paid several $100 for the privilege too)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/05 21:31:42
Subject: Re:Raging Heroes [official] Toughest Girls of the Galaxy Kickstarter - $698,548 Finish!
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Unstoppable Bloodthirster of Khorne
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Buzzsaw wrote:Good to see that they really took that criticism on-board and changed.... uh... yeah.
But hey! The two principles did get a vacation... okay, "the Raging Heroes office continued to buzz with activity, with Sculpt Supervisor Jean-Romain overseeing a full team of freelancers, and with the arrival of CƩdric, our friend / bass player / songwriter / Russian chopper model addict / anime fan / show-swordplayer trainee" but, it's important to remember that Meri has the keys to the comments section, so of course the "Sculpt Supervisor" was incapable of any communication.
In fairness, I don't mind or care that they took a week off. That's fair enough in my book. I don't expect any KS producer to do nothing but work on fulfillment - people still need to lead their lives. The issues are all of the others around it, such as a lack of meaningful communication, saying that you'll update, then not updating, saying you'll answer questions, then not doing it, etc. I wouldn't expect the non-key players to write up updates, either - but it's not like Benoit or MIriabelle(sp?) haven't had more than enough of a chance to do them over the weeks.
The problem with this update is somewhat that it's a meaningless update - again, those are fine when they're part of a regular chain of updates. The issue with it being meaningless is that we're pretty much starved for updates, so people are keen for ones with actual content, and we'e only had... one? so far since the KS concluded.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/05 21:41:03
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I love this thread!
I really do!
I love it 2x when I'm in Australia too!
I'm serious - this thread is one of my favorites, and I do always hope that everyone that pledged for this stuff is eventually happy.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/05 21:44:15
Subject: Raging Heroes [official] Toughest Girls of the Galaxy Kickstarter - $698,548 Finish!
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Unstoppable Bloodthirster of Khorne
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Mathieu Raymond wrote:
They just set themselves up again for a big comms fallout though, by promising a long, concrete update again. What does very soon mean?
It depends on whether or not they're using it in a geological context. I suspect that they are...
Automatically Appended Next Post: Alpharius wrote:I love this thread!
I really do!
I love it 2x when I'm in Australia too!
I'm serious - this thread is one of my favorites, and I do always hope that everyone that pledged for this stuff is eventually happy.
Enjoy that little flag up there while you have it!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/05 22:13:03
Subject: Raging Heroes [official] Toughest Girls of the Galaxy Kickstarter - $698,548 Finish!
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[MOD]
Decrepit Dakkanaut
Cozy cockpit of an Archer ARC-5S
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Alpharius wrote:I'm serious - this thread is one of my favorites, and I do always hope that everyone that pledged for this stuff is eventually happy.
Key word right there: Eventually!
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Fatum Iustum Stultorum
Fiat justitia ruat caelum
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/05 23:28:41
Subject: Raging Heroes [official] Toughest Girls of the Galaxy Kickstarter - $698,548 Finish!
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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shamikebab wrote:Raging Heroes have not been great, but 90% of the people in here have taken it to a level now where they're damned if they do and damned if they don't.
Which is why I'm staying as far away from this thread as I can (I only ducked back in here to see if everyone was complaining about the latest update, and, yup! First post after mine was another complaint!). I got into this knowing full well what to expect when it came to Ragin Heroes. Always over-promising, always late, always late at being late, and always delayed at being late at being late. Then you add the usual "all kickstarters are late" on top of that, and we have a pretty normal situation as far as I'm concerned. And nothing so far has surprised me, other than the outpouring of bile from this place. Automatically Appended Next Post:
Why do you have an Australian flag?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/05 23:36:25
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Because I'm in Australia for the next 3 days, then off to China for 5 days and then back home to the USA!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/06 01:27:09
Subject: Raging Heroes [official] Toughest Girls of the Galaxy Kickstarter - $698,548 Finish!
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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So you snuck into Australia without telling anyone?
How very Alpha Legion of you, Alpharius!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/06 02:57:56
Subject: Raging Heroes [official] Toughest Girls of the Galaxy Kickstarter - $698,548 Finish!
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I did indeed!
You wouldn't happen to be near Sydney, would you?
Also, on topic here - has RH been active somewhere other than Tumblr?
They seem to be answering questions..somewhere?
Or is it only via private e-mails?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/06 05:20:25
Subject: Raging Heroes [official] Toughest Girls of the Galaxy Kickstarter - $698,548 Finish!
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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Coded transmission. Just to annoy you.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/06 05:21:32
Subject: Raging Heroes [official] Toughest Girls of the Galaxy Kickstarter - $698,548 Finish!
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[DCM]
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I knew I shouldn't have packed my tin-foil hat - it is blocking the signal.
Apparently, you can stop the signal!!!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/06 06:40:44
Subject: Raging Heroes [official] Toughest Girls of the Galaxy Kickstarter - $698,548 Finish!
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Stone Bonkers Fabricator General
We'll find out soon enough eh.
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H.B.M.C. wrote: shamikebab wrote:Raging Heroes have not been great, but 90% of the people in here have taken it to a level now where they're damned if they do and damned if they don't.
Which is why I'm staying as far away from this thread as I can (I only ducked back in here to see if everyone was complaining about the latest update, and, yup! First post after mine was another complaint!). I got into this knowing full well what to expect when it came to Ragin Heroes. Always over-promising, always late, always late at being late, and always delayed at being late at being late. Then you add the usual "all kickstarters are late" on top of that, and we have a pretty normal situation as far as I'm concerned. And nothing so far has surprised me, other than the outpouring of bile from this place.
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Why do you have an Australian flag? 
Oh well, I do beg your pardon, oh great Seer. Some of us mere mortals didn't have any prior experience of these clowns, and mistakenly pledged thinking we would see some modicum of professionalism and an honest attempt to fulfill their promises, rather than endless delays, excuses, and even actual insults directed towards us. Frankly the only think that surprises me is that there is more than one person with any knowledge of this trainwreck that is willing to be an apologist for their behaviour, and the fact that you are going to try and turn it around on us as an "outpouring of bile" is frankly a bit of a  ing joke.
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I need to acquire plastic Skavenslaves, can you help?
I have a blog now, evidently. Featuring the Alternative Mordheim Model Megalist.
"Your society's broken, so who should we blame? Should we blame the rich, powerful people who caused it? No, lets blame the people with no power and no money and those immigrants who don't even have the vote. Yea, it must be their fething fault." - Iain M Banks
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"The language of modern British politics is meant to sound benign. But words do not mean what they seem to mean. 'Reform' actually means 'cut' or 'end'. 'Flexibility' really means 'exploit'. 'Prudence' really means 'don't invest'. And 'efficient'? That means whatever you want it to mean, usually 'cut'. All really mean 'keep wages low for the masses, taxes low for the rich, profits high for the corporations, and accept the decline in public services and amenities this will cause'." - Robin McAlpine from Common Weal |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/06 07:01:28
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Yodhrin wrote:...
Oh well, I do beg your pardon, oh great Seer. Some of us mere mortals didn't have any prior experience of these clowns, and mistakenly pledged thinking we would see some modicum of professionalism and an honest attempt to fulfill their promises, rather than endless delays, excuses, and even actual insults directed towards us. Frankly the only think that surprises me is that there is more than one person with any knowledge of this trainwreck that is willing to be an apologist for their behaviour, and the fact that you are going to try and turn it around on us as an "outpouring of bile" is frankly a bit of a  ing joke.
You were clearly weened on twitter, pop-rocks and American style rock and roll music. Shamefully negative!
As an aside, I'm finding it amusing in the comments of the latest update that the consensus seems to be that, indeed, the IE Heavy Infantry have "flat featureless shoulder plates". The only disagreement seems to be that some people don't like that, and some people, in an aesthetic choice I find baffling... do.
I especially like the comment that they are "flat featureless shoulder plates", and are therefor the poster's favorite out of the campaign.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/06 12:34:04
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Hallowed Canoness
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Flat featureless expanses are a dream come true for converting minded types I suppose?
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I beg of you sarge let me lead the charge when the battle lines are drawn
Lemme at least leave a good hoof beat they'll remember loud and long
SoB, IG, SM, SW, Nec, Cus, Tau, FoW Germans, Team Yankee Marines, Battletech Clan Wolf, Mercs
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/06 16:43:09
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Fixture of Dakka
Bathing in elitist French expats fumes
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Or those that love flat featureless surfaces to paint unit markings and such. It's just an aesthetic choice, really, I'm not complaining about it. It makes my choices way easier (no heavies, only regulars). The only thing is they don't seem consistent with their less armoured sisters, shoulderpad-ingly speaking.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/06 16:52:51
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Hallowed Canoness
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Their missing torso armor bugs me more
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I beg of you sarge let me lead the charge when the battle lines are drawn
Lemme at least leave a good hoof beat they'll remember loud and long
SoB, IG, SM, SW, Nec, Cus, Tau, FoW Germans, Team Yankee Marines, Battletech Clan Wolf, Mercs
DR:90-SG+M+B+I+Pw40k12+ID+++A+++/are/WD-R+++T(S)DM+ |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/06 17:03:02
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[DCM]
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shamikebab wrote:Raging Heroes have not been great, but 90% of the people in here have taken it to a level now where they're damned if they do and damned if they don't.
Whoa, whoa, whoa- it's clearly 80% of the people
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:They and this thread are my living(?) entertainment system
A perfect example of tortured artists who will only act as the mood takes them, not how others want them too
even though it would be in their best interests to do so
(I've paid several $100 for the privilege too)
I actually really agree with this, and somewhat begrudgingly respect them for it. Luckily, I paid nothing for the privilege
They're clearly not going to change, might as well enjoy the ride if you can
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/06 17:35:55
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Last Remaining Whole C'Tan
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shamikebab wrote:Raging Heroes have not been great, but 90% of the people in here have taken it to a level now where they're damned if they do and damned if they don't.
Not only do I think this is untrue, I think this is unlikely. I think the final stuff is likely to look awesome and people will let go of the butthurt.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/06 17:42:16
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[MOD]
Decrepit Dakkanaut
Cozy cockpit of an Archer ARC-5S
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Non, never forgive, never forget!
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Fatum Iustum Stultorum
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/06 17:45:07
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Fixture of Dakka
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I intend to just buy at 20% off from The Warstore, and periodically read this thread for the giggles and silly comments. There is a beautiful continuum of Stoicism to Stockholm Syndrome from some, distaste to blind rage from others, and then the periodic posts of great taste and distinction. Really, you could voice act this and show it on tv.
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