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Is it fair to call this a stealth increase? If this is their idea to lull us into thinking that their prices are ok or stable then its a mistake. Whatwith the supposed pricing of the add on codex for the eldar I give them 2 years at most before the balloon bursts.
I collect marines and have done since rogue trader and as a collector I shudder at what may lie in store for me and all other marine players/collectors when codex space marines arrives. First off the actual codex will probably cost £30.00, then if there are add on codexes I suppose you are looking to spend double just for the 2 books; I think it is safe to say that a good many people who collect the codexes purely for the fluff/completist will now have to seriously consider opting out. Consider for a moment that if they released 4 codexes for BA,SW,WS and IF armies that means at the minimum you'd need to spend £120.00 for the privelige. Add in the other increases (they have to keep their shareholder's profits up y'know) and its not a hobby anymore.
Next up I suppose we'll see the end of the 10 man tactical squad. NO doubt plans are afoot to reduce it to 5 and ramp up the price like they did with the dire avengers. Does this mean that the assault squad will be reduced to 2 or 3 marines with a ramped up price tag?
I can see it now where the grim dark battlefields are reduced from a wargame to a dedicated 5 a side punch up. It will no longer be grim but rather funny!!!

Do we have a date when they go into effect? I looked at a few things I still need to pick up and the price hasn't changed (knock on wood) on the GW site.

I think the biggest issue here, and one that people are overlooking, is that a stealth price-rise indicates GW actually gives a damn what people think.

Colour me surprised!

 Pacific wrote:
I think the biggest issue here, and one that people are overlooking, is that a stealth price-rise indicates GW actually gives a damn what people think.

Colour me surprised!

*mind blown* Maybe... just maybe they will return to the costumer base... and be genuinely a good hobby company again.

Interesting that miniature prices don't look to be increasing, especially given the number of people on these boards who claimed that this year would be one of the biggest price hikes ever.

With last month's releases, we actually saw price drops on Guardian Jetbikes, Chaos Bikes, Space Marine Bikes, Scout Bikes, Vypers, and War Walkers, as well as a new and less expensive Wraithguard kit, though the preexisting Dire Avengers became substantially more expensive.

 Kingsley wrote:
Interesting that miniature prices don't look to be increasing, especially given the number of people on these boards who claimed that this year would be one of the biggest price hikes ever.

With last month's releases, we actually saw price drops on Guardian Jetbikes, Chaos Bikes, Space Marine Bikes, Scout Bikes, Vypers, and War Walkers, as well as a new and less expensive Wraithguard kit, though the preexisting Dire Avengers became substantially more expensive.

it is to my knowledge that GW to keep the consumer base happy, is only price hiking a prominent and good troop box that they know would be sold largely. And perhaps a giant robot.

 Kingsley wrote:
Interesting that miniature prices don't look to be increasing, especially given the number of people on these boards who claimed that this year would be one of the biggest price hikes ever.

With last month's releases, we actually saw price drops on Guardian Jetbikes, Chaos Bikes, Space Marine Bikes, Scout Bikes, Vypers, and War Walkers, as well as a new and less expensive Wraithguard kit, though the preexisting Dire Avengers became substantially more expensive.

Price drops?!?! You realise if that happens, alpha will meet omega and time will cease to exist?

 Pacific wrote:

 Kingsley wrote:
Interesting that miniature prices don't look to be increasing, especially given the number of people on these boards who claimed that this year would be one of the biggest price hikes ever.

With last month's releases, we actually saw price drops on Guardian Jetbikes, Chaos Bikes, Space Marine Bikes, Scout Bikes, Vypers, and War Walkers, as well as a new and less expensive Wraithguard kit, though the preexisting Dire Avengers became substantially more expensive.

Price drops?!?! You realise if that happens, alpha will meet omega and time will cease to exist?

Tzeentch flamers dropped in price last year. IIRC a few of the necron releases were lower in price too.

I expect this means I'll be selling a lot more Vallejo and P3.

Paints prices will be going up ?!?!?! Well that sucks royally for me as my whole army is mostly Citadel painted.

People complained about the Dire Avengers price increase, but most already owned enough of those. No one seemed to talk about how Wraithguard, War Walkers, and Jetbikes all got cheaper though.

The focus is on whatever gives them the ability to whine.

It's an expensive hobby. Budget appropriately (instead of trying to lump save on short notice), and find more ways to make money if you want to fund the hobby generously.

No matter which table top game you play most often, it's going to continue to get more expensive.

 brassangel wrote:
People complained about the Dire Avengers price increase, but most already owned enough of those. No one seemed to talk about how Wraithguard, War Walkers, and Jetbikes all got cheaper though.

The focus is on whatever gives them the ability to whine.

Nonsense. Models moving from metal (or, these days, FineCost) to plastic generally get cheaper. This is a given.

And a few temporarly splash bundles, like War Walkers and Support Weapon Platforms doesn't make those items "cheaper".

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 brassangel wrote:
People complained about the Dire Avengers price increase, but most already owned enough of those. No one seemed to talk about how Wraithguard, War Walkers, and Jetbikes all got cheaper though.

The focus is on whatever gives them the ability to whine.

Nonsense. Models moving from metal (or, these days, FineCost) to plastic generally get cheaper. This is a given.

And a few temporarly splash bundles, like War Walkers and Support Weapon Platforms doesn't make those items "cheaper".

What about the Bike Squadron boxes?

Ugh, just as I was about to pick up a few paints. My store doesn't carry much beyond GW paints :-\

Did the paints go up already? I haven't checked in with my GW store in a little while.

It doesn't affect me much as 90% of the paints I buy these days are army painter, but still, there's a couple citadel colours I'd like to get before they go up, if I'm not too late.

I dread to think what'll happen to nobs, tootas etc when they get around to doing a new Ork 'dex.

I have never brought Paints from GW s not sure on the increase size.

But Paints are £2.40
Spray cans are £9.80 (These where only £9.50 last week)
Edge paints are £2.55
Citadel Brush set is £40.50 (seem to remember this only being about £37 last week)

Anybody confirm the old prices?

 brassangel wrote:

No matter which table top game you play most often, it's going to continue to get more expensive.

Actually no.. I play a multitude of different games, without exception none of them come even close to the perennial price rises of GW, or increase by anything like the same amount. And the changes of the format of the game, of depreciation of points, compounds the issue.

Corvus Belli; one (small) price rise in 4 years, same too I believe with Mantic. Battlefront too, and actually dropped prices by a way with their plastic ranges.

Not that I'm blaming GW for this; they will price their products at what the market will bear. But don't think for a minute that it's just another case of 'oh well, that's the modern world for you! My gas is more expensive now too' - when compared to practically everyone else in that industry, which is the only reasonable measure, they are the company that stands out from everyone else with regards to their pricing strategy.

Not to mention, Forgeworld themselves don't do price increases, and they're part of GW. They just put prices up to cover VAT increases.

 brassangel wrote:

It's an expensive hobby. Budget appropriately (instead of trying to lump save on short notice), and find more ways to make money if you want to fund the hobby generously.

No matter which table top game you play most often, it's going to continue to get more expensive.

Not really, In the few years since I've got back into table top gaming I've only heard of a few price rises, and none in the same league as GW in terms of price and stealth.

Warlord increased prices on a few things including resin tanks by about £1 last year, but they gave about a week or 2's notice in their newletter and website advising people of the last date they can order at the old price. A few other prices went up by by such a little amount I didn't even bother remembering, but barely in the scale that required bringing forward an order in order to get the old price.

When GW do it we only find out via leaks, or going back into the shop to find the stickers have changed. I saved some GW staff a small fortune last year by telling them about the leaked increases and allowing them to get orders in. By making a couple of largish orders before the prices went up last year I managed to save about £100 (maybe 25-30% of what I was buying), though that was mostly scenery.

 brassangel wrote:
People complained about the Dire Avengers price increase, but most already owned enough of those. No one seemed to talk about how Wraithguard, War Walkers, and Jetbikes all got cheaper though.

The focus is on whatever gives them the ability to whine.

It's an expensive hobby. Budget appropriately (instead of trying to lump save on short notice), and find more ways to make money if you want to fund the hobby generously.

No matter which table top game you play most often, it's going to continue to get more expensive.

To be fair, it was a 100% price increase, so I'll cut them some slack about being surprised. Mind you I've got them from when they were £2.99 for 5...

 brassangel wrote:
People complained about the Dire Avengers price increase, but most already owned enough of those. No one seemed to talk about how Wraithguard, War Walkers, and Jetbikes all got cheaper though.

When I bought my box of 3 war walkers a couple of years ago, it was £40. Now £47.50 - when does this price drop for them happen?

Is it true that buying a tactical squad box now costs your left kidney?

 -Loki- wrote:
Not to mention, Forgeworld themselves don't do price increases, and they're part of GW. They just put prices up to cover VAT increases.

To be fair, FW already has WTFBBQ prices.

...and for the paint colors...Dakka Paint Conversion chart does a good thing to make you avoid Citadel colors

 Pacific wrote:

 brassangel wrote:

No matter which table top game you play most often, it's going to continue to get more expensive.

Actually no.. I play a multitude of different games, without exception none of them come even close to the perennial price rises of GW, or increase by anything like the same amount. And the changes of the format of the game, of depreciation of points, compounds the issue.

I wonder how WHF / 40K stand up now to the "start the game for £100" challenge from the other thread after this?

 Elemental wrote:

 Pacific wrote:

 brassangel wrote:

No matter which table top game you play most often, it's going to continue to get more expensive.

Actually no.. I play a multitude of different games, without exception none of them come even close to the perennial price rises of GW, or increase by anything like the same amount. And the changes of the format of the game, of depreciation of points, compounds the issue.

I wonder how WHF / 40K stand up now to the "start the game for £100" challenge from the other thread after this?

What, now none of the models have increased in price? Probably quite well.

Tactical marines cost the same, sternguard do, all the Imperial guard...have I missed something?

The biggest this that this does is stop people from having or maintain multiple armies. I was well on my want to starting a Necron and Eldar Army to go with my Tau. Now I doubt I will even buy the new Eldar codex. Especially since it is hardcover. I will be dropping my CSM (including 2x Land Raider$), minus some select models, and will be selling my Orks off soon after the new codex drops so I can cash in on the added price bump. That way, I can focus on the only two armies that really matter in 40k, Nids and Tau.

On a side note, I would rather pay $50 for a codex that comes spiral bound and has the cover and quick reference pages laminated. A codex that lays flat on the table while taking up as little room as possible is what I, and I believe, most players. This hard cover stent that they are on is really does nothing for me.

 brassangel wrote:
No matter which table top game you play most often, it's going to continue to get more expensive.

The financial concept you're alluding to is inflation; money's buying power becoming diminished over time. For older models that have been in production for ages this is the only force that should be exerting an upward pressure on price. GW's increases far outstrip such things, as they're likely making a lot of unprofitable kits and/or have too many staff so these hikes are likely to subsidize what would objectively be poor business choices.

In 1998, a tactical squad was $20. Adjusting for inflation it should now be $28, an increase of 40% over 15 years. That tactical squad today will cost you $37.25, edging close to an 80% increase or twice the rate of inflation for what is largely the same kit. Imperial Guard were $30 for 20 when they came out. The same sprues are now $29 for 10 or, to compare properly, $58 for 20. Those models haven't been out as long as space marines, but have almost doubled in price.

The Dire Avengers are just the latest in a long line of doubling costs on older kits.

As someone said, GW is just doing what the market will bear. However, pushing the market to the limit will generally end badly when your competitors have tons of room to play in because you pushed your prices so high.

 Kwosge wrote:

On a side note, I would rather pay $50 for a codex that comes spiral bound and has the cover and quick reference pages laminated. A codex that lays flat on the table while taking up as little room as possible is what I, and I believe, most players. This hard cover stent that they are on is really does nothing for me.

I'd definitely agree with that. I hate hard cover rules/reference books. I might even go so far as to get a codex re-bind it myself when the time comes for my IG to get an update.

 scarletsquig wrote:
Hey everyone, the deadzone Kickstarter ends in 50 minutes.

Tired of paying over £4 for a single dire avenger mini from GW? tired of the price rises?

Would possibly consider spending £0.37 for a single hard plastic mini from Mantic? (plague zombies in the current kickstarter)

Give them a try!

I'm not saying they're perfect, or that they get everything right all the time, but dammit, they're doing it right. GW are doing it wrong.

If not, that's cool. 40k and warhammer are awesome games that I had a huge amount of fun playing for well over a decade and it's fine if you want to keep on enjoying them.

Do whatever makes you happy.

(If Alph can do it I can >_> )

Except that kickstarter does not compete with Warhammer or 40k. If somebody comes out with a larger scale sci/fi or near future tabletop wargame that can make miniatures that look okay let me know. Until then, there's no alternative.

 Krinsath wrote:


As someone said, GW is just doing what the market will bear. However, pushing the market to the limit will generally end badly when your competitors have tons of room to play in because you pushed your prices so high.

Exactly, and with raging heroes about to do a female guard kickstarter, Mantic having just finished their deadzone starter (only mantic thing which has got me interested in looking at it now) for example they don;t have the exclusive rights to tabletop stuff they think they do. Personally I think they know the bubble has burst and the second those sales drop below a set level the shares they all have, they're up for sale under obfuscated figures.

Regiment boxes at the 12 - 20 models level at £15 for warhammer and the squads for 40k having 10-20 models for around £15 was about right and still think thats roughly what they're all worth personally.