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"take a Wraithknight as your Warlord" , seems like a thinly veiled attempt to sell models...again. Also this seems like something they could have just put in the Eldar Codex, but no they want you to buy another $50 book. I wonder how Tournaments are going to treat this.

Agreed!

I plan on making an Iyanden allied force and do not care to purchase the book. A few new warlord traits and wargear items just simply isn't enough for me. Plus, I do not wish to see this concept of supplements succeed for several reasons:

1. I collect every codex and do not care to spend money on additional supplements.
2. I'm primarily a Space Marines player and again, I do not care to purchase 3+ books to play my army. (rulebook + codex + supplement)

I don't think there would have been such push back from the community if they would have done a supplement that was as large as a codex (104 pages) and included all of the popular Craft Worlds. I think what myself and other are really in fear of is the release of several small supplements and get pushed into buying several very expensive books.

Da Butcha wrote:
If making the Space Wolf, Blood Angel, Dark Angel, Catachan, and Eye of Terror sub-dexes was not a good business move (and GW said it wasn't, and went towards single codexes), what makes Iyanden a good idea? Is Iyanden more popular as an expansion to Eldar than Space Wolves were as an expansion to Space Marines?

What is or isn't a good idea can change over time as other factors change. For me, the Iyanden book is great. I can't wait to buy it. I'm so happy GW is doing this. Whether this will make GW a stronger or weaker business, I am aware that I don't have the information to judge that.

 Death By Monkeys wrote:
@ashikenshin - That Codex: Ultramarines you wanted? It's called Codex: Space Marines...you know, just in case you didn't notice that there are more Ultramarine special characters in the book than any other Chapter.

Probably because it's always been Codex: Ultramarines. They just had to change the name after 2nd Edition because it was too confusing to new players which Codex was supposed to be just for Space Marines.

A marketing decision on packaging, nothing more. The paint guides have always been on how to paint Ultramarines too. Heck, in 4th it was called "How to Paint Ultramarines".

Da Butcha wrote:

PalmerC wrote:
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What hole is GW trying to get out of?

Sorry, I should have been clearer on this. GW is, presumably, concerned about their declining share of the market of wargames.

Great points. Although I dont know enough about what GW is concerned about from a business perspective. Some companies restrict market share intentionally to focus on a niche less price sensitive market. It often is associated with premier deluxe products like sports cars or any high end product. Although that may seem ultimately unfair to consumers it is a business model.

 Spartan089 wrote:
"take a Wraithknight as your Warlord"

It's not "take a Wraithknight as an HQ". It changes nothing about what models are in an army.

 Spartan089 wrote:
"take a Wraithknight as your Warlord" , seems like a thinly veiled attempt to sell models...again. Also this seems like something they could have just put in the Eldar Codex, but no they want you to buy another $50 book. I wonder how Tournaments are going to treat this.

Umm are you trying to imply the things GW does is all in an effort to get more of your money?!

 DarknessEternal wrote:

 Spartan089 wrote:
"take a Wraithknight as your Warlord"

It's not "take a Wraithknight as an HQ". It changes nothing about what models are in an army.

Yes it does when you can take a substantially harder to kill unit such as the wraith knight as your HQ (I'm pretty sure they are going to allow it as an HQ choice if it can be your warlord) leaving 3 other slots open for more wraith knights. We don't even know if it will get any special wargear or rules (maybe a +2++3 or eternal warrior upgrade)

Does this sound like a fun list to play against

HQ
Wraithknight

Troops
3 Guardian jetbikes-51
3 Guardian jetbikes-51

Heavy
Wraithknight
Wraithknight
Wraithknight

That all comes in at under 1100 points

WK as HQ? Thought it was WK can be a warlord but not HQ.

Warlords - When choosing an Iyanden army, you can choose one Wraithlord or Wraithknight to be your Warlord, even though it is not an HQ choice.

I'm still pushing/hoping for a Warlord Trait that allows it to fire all 4 weapons.

And split targets?

I may be jumping the gun, the book hasn't come out yet, but its GW's MO to do things like this to sell models, why wouldn't they not want you buy another $115 model.

 Manchu wrote:
And split targets?

I'd just be happy to fire all 4 guns you can put on it, lol.

Might was well throw in Split Fire as well!

 TalonZahn wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
And split targets?

I'd just be happy to fire all 4 guns you can put on it, lol.

Might was well throw in Split Fire as well!

Sure, and throw in Fnp, Eternal Warrior, and It shall not die while we're at it.

/sarcasm

It's just an optional supplement, people. GW isn't going to continue these things if they don't sell well. If you're worried about it, don't spend money on it.

As for GW coming up with ways to sell more models: yes, that's what businesses do. They try to sell their stuff. Money to keep their business going (and growing) doesn't come from nowhere. Concurrently, if that rubs you the wrong way, don't buy Wraithknights. Our money drives this business, not our internet whining.

Why would you want to take a Lord or Knight as your warlord anyway? A lot of warlord traits affect the whole unit.. and a HQ inside a unit is much tougher to kill than a MC.

Oh well..spend money!

 Kirasu wrote:
Why would you want to take a Lord or Knight as your warlord anyway? A lot of warlord traits affect the whole unit.. and a HQ inside a unit is much tougher to kill than a MC.

Oh well..spend money!

Iyanden have their own Warlord table, so you may find some of them suit MC Warlords quite well.

I think supplements a re a great idea, but one craftworld for 50 dollars, that is lamesauce.

I'm more excited by the rules for Genestealer Cultists in the Praedis Zeta campaign pack for Warhammer World events.
http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m3050151a_Praedis_Zeta_rules_pack_V.1.pdf

I mean, no points, which sucks, but does it indicate a desire to revive the Cult? I hope so!!! I would buy Codex: Genestealer Cults in a heartbeat, even if I had to buy Codex: Tyranids just for the specially-omiited-from-supplement Genestealer rules.

JWhex wrote:
I think supplements a re a great idea, but one craftworld for 50 dollars, that is lamesauce.

This.

If you are going to make us buy both books to use one army, at least charge a lot less for the supplement, its disgusting.

Although yes these supplements are one of the greatest things ever imo, just the prices are not right.

JWhex wrote:
I think supplements a re a great idea, but one craftworld for 50 dollars, that is lamesauce.

Someone already mentioned this, it isn't $50, it's about $40.
So after discounters it's about £19 (£15 would've been nicer but hey).
According to itunes the print length is 121 pages (half the codex).
I won't be buying it but it doesn't seem that unreasonable, and there's always the inevitable torrented scans.

While I am all for armies receiving supplemental rules for sub factions, I think that the previous method of doing it would have worked better, ie. one codex for all the craftworlds with say 10 pages of fluff and 2-3 pages of rules for each.

That I think would mean that most if not all eldar players would buy the book (even if it was the same price as a codex) rather than a small proportion buying each book (except for the die hard collectors).

I remember reading that the Iyanden codex has something like 50 pages of fluff in it. Where did all this background come from as I was not aware the craftworlds had that much individual background?

IMO, I don't particularly care too much about the different Houses of Iyanden in a meaningful way, UNLESS they come with a special rule for each (perhaps applied to wraithguard and wraith blades for x points per model) to upgrade the Ghost Warriors to members of a particular House. That would be cool.

5 Spirit seers per HQ does sound cool though. Those guys are pretty awesome in the new codex.

Plus, I think a player would really have to care about a particular craftworlds background in order to spend this amount of money on it for what will probably amount to a small amount of rules.

I am a fan of the differing wargear and warlord traits though.

I may pick this book up depending on how much it costs on physical release (I don't have an Ipad) but will probably try and get a pdf of it first to look at.

I have little to no interest in a saim hann book as I have no jetbikes or vypers (and no plans to get any) but ulthwe and biel tan would be very interesting to me as the seers and aspect warriors are the main part of what attracted me to Eldar in the first place.

Alaitoc I am not really fussed by as I only have 10 rangers and no plans to get any more.

 rohansoldier wrote:


I remember reading that the Iyanden codex has something like 50 pages of fluff in it. Where did all this background come from as I was not aware the craftworlds had that much individual background?

Where do you think any fluff comes from?

 shamikebab wrote:

 rohansoldier wrote:


I remember reading that the Iyanden codex has something like 50 pages of fluff in it. Where did all this background come from as I was not aware the craftworlds had that much individual background?

Where do you think any fluff comes from?

OK Fair point, but I am hoping they haven't invented a load of rubbish background just to pad out the expensive book when 10 pages of well written fluff as part of a Craftworld book would have been better.

My 2¢, I love the supplement idea. I own all the original supplements and feel that they would allow for more flavor and at a faster pace than the snails crawl of a codex here and there. Now I am not happy about the price. They shouldn't be over $20-25, but hey what insane world do I live in?

 rohansoldier wrote:

I remember reading that the Iyanden codex has something like 50 pages of fluff in it. Where did all this background come from as I was not aware the craftworlds had that much individual background?

50 pages of fluff.

Mat Ward.

Ward. Fluff.

...

NOOOO!!!

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

Brother Weasel wrote:

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

 Death By Monkeys wrote:
@ashikenshin - That Codex: Ultramarines you wanted? It's called Codex: Space Marines...you know, just in case you didn't notice that there are more Ultramarine special characters in the book than any other Chapter.

To be fair, only by 1, and nobody uses Chronus, Telion, Tigurius or Calgar... In fact, the only Ultramarines Character I've seen used is Sicarius, and I've played a lot of Ultrmarine players x/ Whereas all the other I've seen 3 or 4 times :3

Use em or not, they are there...

They may be there, but they suck ass. They may as well just not be there at all to be honest, the only problem I can see with this whole new SM dex not based on Ultramarines is(!): What are they going to do with all the in production resin models that they made for all the Ultramarines guys? They'd have to make a Codex supplement for them or release more special characters (which are not needed) to balance the whole thing out, both of these options'd kinda suck to be honest :/

Doesn't matter if they are good or what you want to use, they are there, they have rules and fluff... they have several entries, while other chapters have what, one each?

If this works I'd love to see Codex: Chaos Legions, allow my bezerkers to see use again! Allow thousand sons to finally Not Suck Ass

Description for video preview for on youtube from GW says "The first in a new range of Codex supplements beginning with Iyanden - A Codex: Eldar supplement."

Seems to imply the first of many to me.

Doesn't imply, so much as states. ;-)