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What unit paired with Kharn is optimizing his Hatred for the unit?

Is a LR worth it for the units... is care worth it compared to the other awesome HQs?

20 Bezerkers or 10 Bezerkers in a LR

I'd say max cultists or berserkers in a raider. Whatever fits the rest of the list best.

9 KB in a raider with re-roll hits will be a lot of damge...

In comparison to Kharn with Terminators in a LR, which is better? I like the KB because it fills a troop choice.

I like KB over terminators. More attacks, furious charge, scoring and assault grenades.

Cultists or regular unmarked Chaos Space Marines.

Kharn does all the damage. You want the thing with him to be both cheap, and not so threatening that it seems like a deathstar. Because there's nothing you can put him with that can withstand the focus of an enemy army if they decide that's the important thing to kill.

Kharn with KB in a LR is 605 points...

I like the KB with him for them being a good assault troop choice, although expensve points wise.

I have put Kharn with KB in a LR and held up 10 Nob Bikers with power claws and warboss for 3 turns. LR went tank hunting after KB's got out and worked really well.

I personally would run Kharn with 9 Khorne Bezerkers. Failing in that, 9 Unmarked CSM seems way to go. You keep him cheap so he doesn't seem too threatening and then he scares the living daylights out of a foe.

problem is, once an opponent knows that kharn will hurt, he will not ignore him.

Khârn, 20 Mark of Khorne CSMs, 2 Meltaguns and the Icon of Wrath. Run them across the board. Preferrably in a list with lots of fast stuff, so possibly a Juggerlord and Spawns, Raptors/Bikes and the like. It's a list similar to what our local Chaos player runs, only he's running Abaddon instead of Khârn.

20 walking marines from my experience will be shot down to about 8 marines by the time they get into assault with a decent shooting army.

CannedKhorne wrote:
What unit paired with Kharn is optimizing his Hatred for the unit?

Is a LR worth it for the units... is care worth it compared to the other awesome HQs?

I don't find CSM land raiders to be really good as assault platforms.
Your paying 230 points for the base LR, then your points for the contents inside. Its easy to have a price tag of 500 points for that delivery system that's easily handled

I would bring Kharn in a squad of 20 CSM or 20 cultists.

I have only played 2 games of 6th edition, (just started playing again, back from college), but back in 5th edition it spamming Marine units always got destroyed slowly as they moved up the table.

I love the idea, but is the current meta geared to obliterate the marines as they move up the table?

I would love to run a horde Khorne army, that is my ideal choice actual. I want horde/speed/khorne as competitive as possible.

Have you have experience running horde marine units?

Ironically enough, its Chaos drake that makes footslogging dangerous.

Outside of that, it's fairly workable as people are moving to autocannon equivalents where MEQ still get a save.

Make sense, I'll have to look into CSM footslogging units.

Kharn with 20 CSM, MoK... hmm.

Quick question about an ally units, if I add a Khorne Herald on Jug with a squad of hounds is he able to scout with them?


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How many meltaguns can 20 CSM have??

Regular CSM marked khorne benefit more from the first-turn re-roll, since they are WS 4 instead of % like Berserkers. They are also cheaper, meaning it's easier to get an icon to re-roll your charges (I'm paranoid about missing charges), and you can pack double-melta to crack transports and assault the passengers.

Berserkers are lackluster this codex but I still like them. S5 on the charge goes a bit of the way toward piling on wounds that even 2+ armor will find hard to deal with.

CannedKhorne wrote:
Make sense, I'll have to look into CSM footslogging units.

Kharn with 20 CSM, MoK... hmm.

Quick question about an ally units, if I add a Khorne Herald on Jug with a squad of hounds is he able to scout with them?


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How many meltaguns can 20 CSM have??

CSM and CD cannot combine squads

10 or more CSM can have 2 special weapons

No I mean if a CD Khorne Herald on a Jugg joins a hound unit, does the unit still have the ability to scout?

I'd run him in a LR with chosen, they got same # attacks as a zerk charging but they don't lose them afterwards, could MoK them to get even more attacks on the charge and you can get a few power weapons in the mix to make hatred even more valuable.

CannedKhorne wrote:
20 walking marines from my experience will be shot down to about 8 marines by the time they get into assault with a decent shooting army.

Yup. You still have Khârn. And the Raptors. And the Juggerlord with friends.

As has been mentioned, though, Heldrakes are the bane of this type of list.

I've taken Kharn and Fabius before, and ran Kharn with his own 20-man blob of khorne marines and an additional 20-man blob of Fabius-buffed khorne marines. Give them both max meltaguns and reroll banners and all the fixin's. Only heldrake spam can really dent it.
Though one helpful thing for horde lists is giving all your squads rhino transports. Not to ride in, but to zoom ahead and give cover, tank shock things closer to your blobs, etc. Destroyer blades and dirge casters are a must, and combi-meltas help as well.
All the meltas in the squads and rhinos are for taking out heavy armor and high-toughness/armor monsters, which your blobs could have some trouble with.

How did that list work out? I am considering running at least one blob unit to run up the field.

Kharns best delivery unit is a squad of cultists

Why do you say that? I guess as a walking horde unit?

CannedKhorne wrote:
Why do you say that? I guess as a walking horde unit?

Because nobody cares if Kharn kills a few. They're just there as bullet catchers for him and he provides that all important fearless. The hatred rule is just a bonus.

CannedKhorne wrote:
How did that list work out? I am considering running at least one blob unit to run up the field.

It worked alright, list had 3 20-man blobs, one led by Kharn, one by Fabius, one the fearless enhanced guys. Rhinos with destroyers/dirge/melta screening for each squad, and some forgefiends in the back for AA. I always gave up first blood due to rhinos getting popped, but there were relatively few casualties in the blobs except against IG or newTau. The forgefiends never shot anything down and really didn't do all that much, but the 60 khorne marines either messed up everything they fought or got tied up the rest of the game. The one game I played against a list with 2 heldrakes, by the time they arrived my blobs were already stuck in close combat and couldn't get torched.

Fabius predictably never killed anything and contributed nothing, Kharn murdered anything he touched (including plenty of my own guys) and the blobs either murdered stuff or sat on objectives. My only problem with Kharn's re-rolling Hate Squad was that honestly with furious charge and rage, hatred on top of that was pretty much overkill for anything they collided with. Unless it lived past the opening turn. Then the squad lost furious charge, rage and hatred and went back to basic marines while Kharn did all the work.

Canned: I run hounds, and herald on jugger and kanarak and was able to scout them without any objections, I'm like you, I also just returned from college so im learning 6th as well

for those of you advocating cultist blobs, why only 20 and not the max of 35?

Probably because you get 20 in the Dark Vengeance set.

 Pwn'd You wrote:
Canned: I run hounds, and herald on jugger and kanarak and was able to scout them without any objections, I'm like you, I also just returned from college so im learning 6th as well

Yeah, I want to squeeze this unit into my army put it is very hard to find the points when having daemon allies.

Hounds/Maulerfiends/LR with Kharn and some helldrakes is a lot for an army to handle as one big punch.