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AWesker1976 wrote:

 Galdos wrote:

 d3m01iti0n wrote:
I said its misnamed and Im absolutely right. Im sure WH40K: All Is Dust featuring the Red Corsairs will be a great game. Whatever it is youre trying to do Im not interested.

What the feth is he talking about?

He expected the Black Templars to be the "main" chapter due to the title having "crusade" in it. Templars are always crusading against something. He's a lil annoyed that they announced Dark Angels instead. All is Dust is the mantra of the Thousand Sons, so if the game was WH 40K; All is Dust and the main chaos warband was the Red Corsairs instead of the Thousand Sons people would claim the game mislead them.

Here's the thing, it's just a name. I'm pretty sure that zero connection was intended with Black Templars, and all that happened was BT fanboiz got all excited at first and then got unhappy when they saw the word "crusade" being used and it's Dark Angels. Let's look at past 40k games:

Retribution.
Chaos Rising (which ironically added Imperial Guard as a playable faction).
Soulstorm.
Winter Assault (I don't recall them adding Space Wolves or Valhallans? Oh wait, they added Cadians?! The blasphemy!).
Dark Crusade (How did a Chaos-sounding expansion add Necrons and Tau?).
Space Marine.
Fire Warrior.
Chaos Gate.

Need I say more?

Names are names. Stop getting worked up over the title of the game, it's just ridiculously stupid.

Also, it's not like you were mislead into buying a game with wrong information. You just made an incorrect assumption based solely on the title of a game that won't be released for more than a year.

Add to that the fact that EVERYTHING get's called a crusade in 40k... I find it odd that people even assumed black templar based purely on that.

 Soladrin wrote:
Add to that the fact that EVERYTHING get's called a crusade in 40k... I find it odd that people even assumed black templar based purely on that.

Even the Great Crusade wasn't just about the Black Templars.

Often you'll have crusades that have nothing to do with ANY Space Marines at all.

 Melissia wrote:
Often you'll have crusades that have nothing to do with ANY Space Marines at all.

Like... The Sabbat Worlds Crusade, the Damocles Crusade, and the Macharian Crusade, all of which started out without Space Marine support initially.

Likewise, each of the bodyguards of Alicia Dominica (leader of what had at the time recently become the Sisters of Battle) led a crusade that, combined, were considered the biggest crusades since the Great Crusade itself, with Alicia Dominica being declared a Living Saint on par with Saint Sabbat in the process.

Oi, youz lot don' be stompin da messenga!

'e axed a kwest'yin an I'z told 'im wot fer.

AWesker1976 wrote:
Oi, youz lot don' be stompin da messenga!

'e axed a kwest'yin an I'z told 'im wot fer.

Yeah we know. We were just pointing out to all the BT fanboiz how silly their assumptions were.

Oi! Youz not gonna tell no gits nuf'n cos I'm da boss ya useless git!

 Melissia wrote:
Often you'll have crusades that have nothing to do with ANY Space Marines at all.

Ahhh you know how it is with the self absorbed supermen of the imperium..they declare its a crusade just to go on a beer and toilet paper run.

Anyway, I suppose now that the press releases have slowed down, I'll probably forget about this game for a while.

So... my last thoughts.

1: The Ork Boy being five times weaker than a Space Marine will not work in the long run. Eventually, the free to play players will either get tired of being treated like NPCs to be slaughtered, and either buy a subscription to play non-Ork factions, or they'll quit entirely, leaving a horribly unbalanced game even more horribly unbalanced. This has been my biggest problem with the game as the developers have described it, and their Blue Lantern-like assurances that "all will be well" do not reassure me.

2: It's a sausage fest. Feth that, we already have enough sausage fests out there. I don't believe, for an instant, that the developers really respect Sisters of Battle or any female characters at all really, given the way that they have acted, and the way they've reacted to complaints. It being a sausage fest will reduce its player count even more, and frankly I'm disappointed at the fact that they think the only reason anyone would ever want to play women is because they want "sexy" characters.

3: I'm tired of hearing "there's only war" over and over again. I know you need a catch phrase, but come on, at least get multiple catch phrases so you don't tire it out and get people rolling their eyes and ignoring you every time you say it.

4: As a result of the first three and numerous other factors... meh, I'm not looking forward to this, and will probably forget it even exists unless people keep bugging me about it.

 Melissia wrote:
Anyway, I suppose now that the press releases have slowed down, I'll probably forget about this game for a while.

So... my last thoughts.

1: The Ork Boy being five times weaker than a Space Marine will not work in the long run. Eventually, the free to play players will either get tired of being treated like NPCs to be slaughtered, and either buy a subscription to play non-Ork factions, or they'll quit entirely, leaving a horribly unbalanced game even more horribly unbalanced. This has been my biggest problem with the game as the developers have described it, and their Blue Lantern-like assurances that "all will be well" do not reassure me.

2: It's a sausage fest. Feth that, we already have enough sausage fests out there. I don't believe, for an instant, that the developers really respect Sisters of Battle or any female characters at all really, given the way that they have acted, and the way they've reacted to complaints. It being a sausage fest will reduce its player count even more, and frankly I'm disappointed at the fact that they think the only reason anyone would ever want to play women is because they want "sexy" characters.

3: I'm tired of hearing "there's only war" over and over again. I know you need a catch phrase, but come on, at least get multiple catch phrases so you don't tire it out and get people rolling their eyes and ignoring you every time you say it.

4: As a result of the first three and numerous other factors... meh, I'm not looking forward to this, and will probably forget it even exists unless people keep bugging me about it.

You could play Eldar but yeah it would be nice to have another faction with females in it too (but it probably wouldn't be sisters and more likely the more popular imperial guard) also maybe if you subscribe you can be a nob or odd boy if you're into orkz (like I am ).

Wow, thanks for clearing that up guys lol

 Galdos wrote:
Wow, thanks for clearing that up guys lol

Who you talking to?

 Melissia wrote:


2: It's a sausage fest. Feth that, we already have enough sausage fests out there. I don't believe, for an instant, that the developers really respect Sisters of Battle or any female characters at all really, given the way that they have acted, and the way they've reacted to complaints. It being a sausage fest will reduce its player count even more, and frankly I'm disappointed at the fact that they think the only reason anyone would ever want to play women is because they want "sexy" characters.

Warhammer 40k IS a sausage fest. There is one all female faction nobody plays and most armies are strictly all male. And really cool people play genderless races anyway. Hint, hint. Also: I know exactly what will happen to any female character in a competitive MMO. Lots and lots and lots of rape jokes. A lot of them. Tabletop-based MMO, competitive aka strictly PvP, F2P. Equals to mostly male players. Equals to a lot of younger players. Equals to bad behavior. Equals to rape jokes etc.

They should just introduce IG and let people play females if they want to and that's about it.

Imma go roll an Ork anyway, not going to spend a single dime on Pay2Win thingies until they introduce the glorious Necron master race.

...but really, release is in TWO AND A HALF MEN YEARS.

Technically, the only all-male armies are Space Marines and Chaos Space Marines.
Imperial Guard, Tau, Eldar, Dark Eldar are mixed.

Not really a sausagefest, although some of those armies could certainly use some more miniatures for better representation of their fluff.
Anyways, it's just "bad" coincidence that the first batch of playable races features all of the male-only factions, only one mixed-gender one, and not the only all-female army.

 Lynata wrote:
Technically, the only all-male armies are Space Marines and Chaos Space Marines.

And Orks, who let's face it, are male in effect even if they have no gender.

But then again, he probably considers each seaprate chapter of space marines a "faction", so meh.

Melissia wrote:And Orks, who let's face it, are male in effect even if they have no gender.

Yes, visual design and player psychology should not be discarded.
I suppose in that case Necrons might count as an all-male army as well.

Sigvatr raises a valid point regarding the misogyny that will undoubtedly manifest itself in the game, though. I don't actually see it as a problem for the mixed armies (I've never, ever, noticed rape jokes in Planetside), but I'm under no illusion on what will happen once the Sisters deploy, for in their case the entire faction will become synonymous with their gender.

Not that it would discourage me. Quite the contrary, actually. When it comes to FPS/TPS, I'm confident enough of my aim. Just give me a boltgun and point out the haters.

 Lynata wrote:
Sigvatr raises a valid point regarding the misogyny that will undoubtedly manifest itself in the game

No he doesn't.

That misogyny should result in permabans like it would for any other MMO.

Just because it's a shooter shouldn't change anything.

Well, it should result in that. But it'll still be there.

We're not living in an ideal world where people behave rationally or bans are instantaneous. I for one will treat it like a challenge. Depending on what players make up the faction, it will galvanise them and make them fight all the harder for it.

Might just result in a case of art imitates life.

 Lynata wrote:
Well, it should result in that. But it'll still be there.

Which still means he doesn't have a point.

DakkaDakka has the occasional spammer tossing links to some random advertisement, they often last a few hours before getting perma'd. Still get perma'd-- do you say Dakka has some kind of ongoing, hugely prevalent problem with spamvertisements?

And after a while of punishing those who would spout that level of nonsense, those left will be those who, in general, have learned to follow the rules. All it takes is vigilance.


Anyway, I think I've said everything I can say. It's not likely we'll get any trully new info any time soon. This thread doesn't need to be derailed in to a circular argument "but people will act like arseholes" "then they should be punished" ad infinitum

Retards are everywhere, you just have to choose who you play with and ignore the rest. Simple as that. It's never a good idea to feed the trolls. That and you must take into account that not all the players will have the age required not to have a disruptive behavior. Also, some people don't have the mind to reflect their age, regardless of what that is.

Good luck enforcing Vent Mel.

You bring up good points BE needs to address though.

1. I agree that making SM's purposefully OP automatically sounds like a bad idea with the current amount of information we have. However, we don't know the whole story. We don't even know a quarter of the story and even though we've heard the catchphrase "War!" a hundred times, Miguel also explicitly said, on multiple occasions, that he despises pay to win. If SM's are unlocked through payment, that pretty much destroys the entire concept.

Therefore, SM's must be higher up on the progression totem, and there must be Ork MEQ's in the works.

This means that something must be below the SM's, and it could very well be the IG, who in the next 2 and half freakin years could definitely have 2 genders that path to different things.. such as the Marines if you're a man, and SoB if you're a woman. Really, it's too early to rule anything out, or come to a solid conclusion about anything yet.

 DemetriDominov wrote:
Really, it's too early to rule anything out, or come to a solid conclusion about anything yet.

I think at this point, with the information available, this is really all there is to say. We have no way of knowing if the game that gets released looks anything like the game being described in these early interviews, or if the game will make it to release at all.

I dont know if anybody ever played Chromehounds, but it had a map system that changed pretty regularly. It's been a while, but i think it was once every other week or something, and one faction won, and got some better gear, and then you got to choose another faction. You were encouraged to play other factions because your gear persisted, and you benefited for winning battles and wars. You could only get certain gear by playing and winning with certain nations.

I'd like to see something similar. Maybe find a way to encourage people to play as orcs even if you like space marines. And when Orks win a campaign, you get some sort of heraldry or bonus for your space marine or something.

I think we're speculating quite a bit, and we just need to wait to see how the game develops. Details are scare, and they have some lofty goals, so I will assume that everything we know as of now is unreliable, and wait til I at least see some gameplay.

 Cheesecat wrote:

 Galdos wrote:
Wow, thanks for clearing that up guys lol

Who you talking to?

like 5 people answered me so all of them lol.

 Melissia wrote:

 Lynata wrote:
Sigvatr raises a valid point regarding the misogyny that will undoubtedly manifest itself in the game

No he doesn't.

That misogyny should result in permabans like it would for any other MMO.

Just because it's a shooter shouldn't change anything.

I agree with this, swift and harsh punishment should be dished out to players making rape jokes or other misogynistic remarks in the game.

I think Miguel needs to do something fast! A lot of people are losing faith and arguing making us all annoyed (mainly mell), so if Miguel doesn't come soon I doubt there will be half the people watching this thread joining the hype-train in 2 years

 The Dark Apostle wrote:
I think Miguel needs to do something fast! A lot of people are losing faith and arguing making us all annoyed (mainly mell), so if Miguel doesn't come soon I doubt there will be half the people watching this thread joining the hype-train in 2 years

You can't fault them for making an announcement early just because they wanted to. They have 2 more years of dev before they release, it's not like it's a month away and we're not hearing anything yet. The arguments that are arising are merely self-created by us speculating and speculating some more. As soon as this round of hype dies down and we're back to other things, waiting for them to release, there's going to be less complaining.