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I've met a couple different pastors who have played D&D. I always thought that was pretty cool, especially because it was a pretty clear indicator that they didn't buy into this kind of BS.

I would never put someone down for their religion, but I went to a church for awhile because the girl I was dating went there. The same dude would stand up mid sermon and start yelling in tongues. Then the same woman would translate it as if she were talking to God. If that wasn't bad enough, the pastor stood up one day and started screaming that gay people were taking over the world and that the legality of same sex marriage would be the end of mankind. I got out of there as fast as I could. If that isn't occult behavior, then I don't know what is.

 Avatar 720 wrote:
The priest gave up his job, and is now a necromancer who worships Hextor.

If he was really hardcore it would have been Vecna.

Oh Jack Chick you so cray cray!

...I now have the urge to introduce a power drill to my frontal lobe for typing "cray cray"...


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 Ahtman wrote:

 Avatar 720 wrote:
The priest gave up his job, and is now a necromancer who worships Hextor.

If he was really hardcore it would have been Vecna.

Real men worship the Lady of Pain

Funnily enough, so do those with a death wish.

 Icarusthepilot wrote:
I would never put someone down for their religion, but I went to a church for awhile because the girl I was dating went there. The same dude would stand up mid sermon and start yelling in tongues. Then the same woman would translate it as if she were talking to God. If that wasn't bad enough, the pastor stood up one day and started screaming that gay people were taking over the world and that the legality of same sex marriage would be the end of mankind. I got out of there as fast as I could. If that isn't occult behavior, then I don't know what is.

To be fair most churches aren't like that.

Was it an evangelical church or something? I have an uncle who is an evangelical preacher, and as cool as he is, I will admit his sermons are pretty intense.

Just be thankful you didn't go to a snake church. There's a few near my house, and yes, they're real, and yes, they're as nuts as they sound.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:


Just be thankful you didn't go to a snake church. There's a few near my house, and yes, they're real, and yes, they're as nuts as they sound.

I don't know if that sounds nuts or not simply because I have no earthly idea what a snake church is.

 rubiksnoob wrote:

 MrMoustaffa wrote:


Just be thankful you didn't go to a snake church. There's a few near my house, and yes, they're real, and yes, they're as nuts as they sound.

I don't know if that sounds nuts or not simply because I have no earthly idea what a snake church is.

I assume it might be this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_handling

I'll just leave this here, it's time to get medieval on evil:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=relmfu&v=8FZrkDgpsF8

I got a real laugh out of that site. It was absolutely hilarious.

Then I realized the guy was serious.

I'm a little sad now.

As a Christian, I think it's unfortunate that games like D&D have received such a bad light. I do agree that some of the themes are regrettable, such as some of the softcore pornographic artwork. But beyond that, it's just a game. It's not real. I don't believe Jack Chick when he says some former satan worshipper told him that D&D's rituals are "exactly" the same as real satan worship, or occult.

The "demons" in D&D and also in 40K are not real demons, they are fantasy constructs, designed to perform an element in a gaming system, with a fantastical theme.

It would be completely different if D&D started publishing, "The complete Satanist" supplement or Games workshop published "Codex Satan".

It is true that these types of games attracts a certain element that are counter culture and might get caught up confusing reality with fantasy. Like that guy at every game shop that paints his models with real blood.

This is kind of like pokemon or Harry Potter. I've seen preachers on youtube preaching that pokemon was just a substitute for "pocket demon"...pocket demon...pokemon...get it?

I would classify this as misguided zealotry.

GG

 xole wrote:
I got a real laugh out of that site. It was absolutely hilarious.

Then I realized the guy was serious.

I'm a little sad now.

Here's what will really make you sad: Think of all the people who believe the stuff on that site, and then realize: they all vote.

 generalgrog wrote:


It is true that these types of games attracts a certain element that are counter culture and might get caught up confusing reality with fantasy. Like that guy at every game shop that paints his models with real blood.

Eh.....Wha......Bah........how....
WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 generalgrog wrote:


It is true that these types of games attracts a certain element that are counter culture and might get caught up confusing reality with fantasy. Like that guy at every game shop that paints his models with real blood.

Eh.....Wha......Bah........how....
WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!

That guy doesn't exist at your game store?

Maybe I overstated...I have seen a few of these guys, and heard of others.

GG

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 generalgrog wrote:


It is true that these types of games attracts a certain element that are counter culture and might get caught up confusing reality with fantasy. Like that guy at every game shop that paints his models with real blood.

Eh.....Wha......Bah........how....
WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!

It's happened. There was a dakkanaut named Doomthumbs who used his own blood to paint a genestealer. However, this was more of an experiment and a parody of "proper painting techniques" than occultism.

 Avatar 720 wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Maybe i could find a list of christians that died or committed suicide.
Certainly correlation = causation.
I remember a story my GM told me. He was loking for a place to play D&D, the priest offered up his house(this was before the sex abus scandals) but they where desperate and took it. They played the game a few time until the priest fessed up and told them the real reason. He wanted to see how wrong D&D was for himself, he realised how stupid people where being talking like it was satanic and realised it is good fun.

The priest gave up his job, and is now a necromancer who worships Hextor.

Dude, who told you my backstory?

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 rubiksnoob wrote:

 MrMoustaffa wrote:


Just be thankful you didn't go to a snake church. There's a few near my house, and yes, they're real, and yes, they're as nuts as they sound.

I don't know if that sounds nuts or not simply because I have no earthly idea what a snake church is.

I assume it might be this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_handling

Wow. Just spent the better part of half an hour reading up on the various denominations and churches that practice "taking up serpents". That is some very crazy stuff, bordering on being genuinely creepy. I read one guy's account of visiting one of the churches and observing their ceremonies. . . spooky stuff. The service he described was a loose, unstructured marathon of praying, sermonizing, and hymn-singing, with a few congregants playing music all the while in the background. It went on for hours and the music got faster and faster and people started banging cymbals and shouting in tongues and rolling around on the ground and screaming at demons. Then they brought out crates full of rattlesnakes and copperheads, dumped them onto the bible and then proceeded to grab fistfuls of them and wave them around in the air, walk on them, and drape them all over themselves. And all because of one single bible verse interpreted as literally as humanly possible. Crazy.

 generalgrog wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 generalgrog wrote:


It is true that these types of games attracts a certain element that are counter culture and might get caught up confusing reality with fantasy. Like that guy at every game shop that paints his models with real blood.

Eh.....Wha......Bah........how....
WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!

That guy doesn't exist at your game store?

Maybe I overstated...I have seen a few of these guys, and heard of others.

GG

No, there isnt, and do you see them paint with actual blood? Or ar they doing it to sound edgy?

We had a guy who had an actual dead lizard on his death guard rhino.

Not sure if that counts.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 generalgrog wrote:


It is true that these types of games attracts a certain element that are counter culture and might get caught up confusing reality with fantasy. Like that guy at every game shop that paints his models with real blood.

p
Eh.....Wha......Bah........how....
WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!

It's happened. There was a dakkanaut named Doomthumbs who used his own blood to paint a genestealer. However, this was more of an experiment and a parody of "proper painting techniques" than occultism.

He also primed a model with baby makin juice.

Fixed my post stupid phone.

There is a certain kind of charlatan who makes a living on the fringes of evangelical culture. They grind out money from speaking engagements and books, all about an entirely fictional nonsense that is designed to play on the fears of a portion of evangelicals.

Satanism and witchcraft are standard go to issues, but every so often some other bit of nonsense gets dragged in. For a brief period in the 80s D&D was one. More recently Pokemon and Harry Potter were.

Unfortunately, once these lies have been told, they never really go away. There's always another person anxious to get all outraged and excited about these stories, and a basic description of the truth (D&D is just a made up nerd game) doesn't register, because these people like their fantasy world of satanic panic far too much.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

No, there isnt, and do you see them paint with actual blood? Or ar they doing it to sound edgy?

Doomthumbs was pretty legit. He also painted that time allegedly with... er... other bodily fluids.

He was also painting with, IIRC, a frayed stick. The point of the exercise was to use "all-natural" resources to paint, and it was brilliant.

A little gross, but legit.

Semi-off topic, but only semi, one of the journals I keep for my D&D campaigns is a leather-bound grimore that has eldar futhark and a pentagram inscribed in the cover along with a bloody fingerprint (because those themes totally go together and aren't from disparate cultures).

I'm not a satanist. I'm not a theist of any sort. It just seemed appropriate. In a world where "legitimate" religions speak in tongues and handle snakes (one of which was my childhood church) I don't mind if it creeps anyone out.


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To my point, "Satan", "Lucifer", or "the Devil" isn't the real boogyman people should fear, fear is.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Oh Jack Chick you so cray cray!

...I now have the urge to introduce a power drill to my frontal lobe for typing "cray cray"...

Oh god cray cray...my group's last session of the IKRPG involved Kraye, and the GM thought that we would be mature enough to move past that...the poor poor guy.

On topic, I do always get a good chuckle out of it, but it kind of kills the fun when they bring up people who have died and try to use it as support for their argument.

 Easy E wrote:
A pastor was the one who introduced me to DnD way back in the day. He always played a Cleric or Paladin.

That is insanely manly lol.


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 Ahtman wrote:

 Avatar 720 wrote:
The priest gave up his job, and is now a necromancer who worships Hextor.

If he was really hardcore it would have been Vecna.

Real men worship the Lady of Pain

Funnily enough, so do those with a death wish.

Hextor? Vecna? The Lady of Pain? All posers and wannabes.

Tharizdun all the way.

I've heard of quite a number of church groups that play DnD, but I have met some hard out Christians that thought it was evil. Like anything Christianity is a diverse place, all we can do as sensible people is laugh hysterically at people like this.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 generalgrog wrote:


It is true that these types of games attracts a certain element that are counter culture and might get caught up confusing reality with fantasy. Like that guy at every game shop that paints his models with real blood.

Eh.....Wha......Bah........how....
WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!

I've taken advantage of incidental injuries to do that a few times, just for the hell of it. I mean, if my hand's bleeding anyways, why not?

I'm a bit cavalier with hobby knives, so I've unintentionally baptised models while trimming mold lines or hacking them apart for more extreme conversion work a number of times, too.

Sir Pseudonymous wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 generalgrog wrote:


It is true that these types of games attracts a certain element that are counter culture and might get caught up confusing reality with fantasy. Like that guy at every game shop that paints his models with real blood.

Eh.....Wha......Bah........how....
WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!

I've taken advantage of incidental injuries to do that a few times, just for the hell of it. I mean, if my hand's bleeding anyways, why not?

I'm a bit cavalier with hobby knives, so I've unintentionally baptised models while trimming mold lines or hacking them apart for more extreme conversion work a number of times, too.

I've done this. A nice layer of varnish over fresh blood creates a very realistic, erm... blood effect.
Seriously, why let it go to waste?

 Alfndrate wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
What if you play a Paladin, then? Standing up for the defenseless, fighting demons and generally being the complete opposite of evil in every way, shape or form?

Not that it matters, since this guy obviously hasn't played DnD anyway.

Your Paladin is worshipping a deity that is not God, thus he is holding false idols above the Lord.

Had a friend in grade school leave my dnd group because his parents didn't want him playing it because they thought he was playing God by creating a person (his character)...

What if the Paladin worships one God who was incarnated and walked among mankind to save them from evil?

Heh, being the Devil's Advocate makes this rather silly.

It is always sad when followers of a fictional work are attacked by followers of a different fictional book...

I refer of course to 3.5 vs 4th rather than to religious people vs dnd...

Painting with blood..... So im not the only one

Good old Chick.

You should also consider this gem:

http://www.chick.com/bc/2007/butterfly.asp

Here’s an “absolute break down” surprise for him! Butterflies are not transformed by successive slight modifications from caterpillars, or from any evolutionary ancestor. Neither are any of their complex organs.

When a butterfly egg hatches, a caterpillar steps out, eats, grows, and then builds a little house around itself where it passes into the pupal stage. Inside the leather-like shell of the pupa, or larva, the caterpillar dissolves. I don’t mean he dissolves in tears, or has a squishy feeling. His eyes, legs, intestines, and bristly fuzz, everything that distinguished him as a caterpillar, melts down to form a thick liquid. Everything except his heart becomes homogenized goo.

A butterfly comes out of some primordial soup as it were.