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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/12 15:45:35
Subject: School Asks deaf Boy To Change His Name.... Because Signing It Looks Like a Gun
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Blood Angel Captain Wracked with Visions
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http://seriouslyepicstuff.com/school-asks-deaf-boy-to-change-his-name/
You can’t make this stuff up. The good news: 3-year-old Hunter Spanjer, who is deaf, knows how to sign his name. The bad news: His school says his hand sign looks too much like a gun and has asked him to change it.
The school, in Grand Island, Nebraska, is forcing Hunter to change the way he signs his name, because they say his gestures violate their weapons policy. Lunacy reigns supreme, America.
Hunter’s personalized name sign is a registered sign with Signing Exact English – a modified form of American Sign Language – and involves extended index fingers that the district says resembles a gun. “We are working with the parents to come to the best solution we can for the child,” said Jack Sheard, Grand Island Public Schools spokesperson. Really, Jack? I have a suggestion: Take your heads out of your butts and allow him to use the registered sign for his name. Problem solved.
As reported by 1011now.com, Grand Island’s “Weapons in Schools” Board Policy 8470 forbids “any instrument…that looks like a weapon.” But a three year-old’s hands? Here’s Hunter’s dad, Brian:
“He’s deaf, and his name sign, they say, is a violation of their weapons policy. It’s a symbol. It’s an actual sign, a registered sign, through S.E.E.”
Hunter’s parents say that by Monday, lawyers from the National Association of the Deaf are likely to weigh in for Hunter’s right to sign his own name.
Despite whatever rules and regulations may exist, some Grand Islanders said they don’t think it’s right to make a three year-old change the way he says his name.
“It’s his name. It’s not like he’s going to bring a gun to school when he’s three years old,” commented Dana Schwieger.
“I find it very difficult to believe that the sign language that shows his name resembles a gun in any way would even enter a child’s mind,” said Fredda Bartenbach.
First, an 8-year-old boy in Baltimore is suspended from school for allegedly chewing his Pop-Tart into the shape of a handgun. Then, a 6-year-old Massachusetts boy is forced to apologize for “traumatizing” his schoolmates on the bus by brandishing a tiny – the size of a quarter – Lego-figure gun. And now, a 3-year-old deaf child may be forced to change the only sign he knows for his name.
All because of what? Overreaction? Politically correctness? Mass hysteria among school administrators or just downright stupidity? Whatever the reason, does it really matter? The bottom line is this: This nonsense is out of control. Period. Get a grip, people.
I wonder if the sign for “get a grip” looks like an “assault” rifle
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/12 15:49:21
Subject: School Asks deaf Boy To Change His Name.... Because Signing It Looks Like a Gun
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Wight Lord with the Sword of Kings
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Ah, another example of American schools doing strange things!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/12 15:49:54
Subject: School Asks deaf Boy To Change His Name.... Because Signing It Looks Like a Gun
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Joined the Military for Authentic Experience
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That is ridiculous. I think these policies stem from half thought out ideas of political correctness pushed by people who want to be able to put "Developed the school's weapons policy" on their CV and the fear of litigation in such a litigious culture meaning that teachers are afraid to deviate from policies in case it gets them sued and they are personally liable. Creates a culture of complying with stupid rules because it's too much hassle to challenge them or use common sense when a significant portion of the parent population won't use it either.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/12 15:50:21
Subject: School Asks deaf Boy To Change His Name.... Because Signing It Looks Like a Gun
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Lady of the Lake
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Woo Murrica!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/12 15:50:53
Subject: School Asks deaf Boy To Change His Name.... Because Signing It Looks Like a Gun
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Heroic Senior Officer
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This is getting ridiculous.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/12 15:51:18
Subject: School Asks deaf Boy To Change His Name.... Because Signing It Looks Like a Gun
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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This is dumb. I hope the National Association of the Deaf school them. If not, I hope the family makes a lot of money in civil court over this.
Dumb.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/12 15:52:41
Subject: School Asks deaf Boy To Change His Name.... Because Signing It Looks Like a Gun
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Everyone who has Smith, Remington, Colt, or Winchester in their name are also are violating this policy. Unless they are saying same they are discimrinating against the deaf.
I'm sensing a profit opportunity!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/12 15:53:54
Subject: School Asks deaf Boy To Change His Name.... Because Signing It Looks Like a Gun
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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This seriously makes me sick. The kids life is already hard enough being deaf. But some high horse ivory tower school official thinks making it harder on him by making him change his identity will help anyone in any way shape or form... I love a LOT of things about America, this isn't one of them. I hope their is a big public outcry and they realize how stupid they are being.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/12 15:54:45
Subject: School Asks deaf Boy To Change His Name.... Because Signing It Looks Like a Gun
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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What's the problem? Simply ask all other kids to sign bullet proof wests to protect vs. the signed gun.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/12 15:55:57
Subject: Re:School Asks deaf Boy To Change His Name.... Because Signing It Looks Like a Gun
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Do these people not understand that everyone sees them as complete morons? Has no one told them?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/12 15:58:06
Subject: School Asks deaf Boy To Change His Name.... Because Signing It Looks Like a Gun
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Zero tolerance policies seem to be the cause of a lot of ignorance.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/12 15:59:39
Subject: School Asks deaf Boy To Change His Name.... Because Signing It Looks Like a Gun
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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kronk wrote:Zero tolerance policies seem to be the cause of a lot of ignorance.
Yup, while I like zero tolerance in theory. It seems like it never works out.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/12 16:03:21
Subject: School Asks deaf Boy To Change His Name.... Because Signing It Looks Like a Gun
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[MOD]
Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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Perhaps he could carry a real gun and use that to sign his name.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/12 16:04:34
Subject: School Asks deaf Boy To Change His Name.... Because Signing It Looks Like a Gun
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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He'd have to change is name to Jeromy.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/12 16:10:19
Subject: School Asks deaf Boy To Change His Name.... Because Signing It Looks Like a Gun
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Kilkrazy wrote:Perhaps he could carry a real gun and use that to sign his name.
Would he just shoot a hole in the paper near the top where it says "Name:______________"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/12 16:13:20
Subject: School Asks deaf Boy To Change His Name.... Because Signing It Looks Like a Gun
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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he should change his name to Explodingmortarshell and the hand gesture can be both hands going wide with a boom face.
Alternatively he could change his name to a completely different hand gesture which I find to be amazingly appropriate.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/12 16:16:45
Subject: School Asks deaf Boy To Change His Name.... Because Signing It Looks Like a Gun
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Blood Angel Captain Wracked with Visions
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kronk wrote:Zero tolerance policies seem to be the cause of a lot of ignorance.
I think this is the root source of so much - have a policy, no matter how ridiculous, and stick to it. That way no one can accuse you of exercising favouritism.....just not exercising anything approaching rational thought
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/12 16:21:54
Subject: School Asks deaf Boy To Change His Name.... Because Signing It Looks Like a Gun
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Joined the Military for Authentic Experience
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That's it exactly.
If people weren't getting so butthurt about favouritism and so on, you wouldn't need zero tolerance policies.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/12 17:38:43
Subject: School Asks deaf Boy To Change His Name.... Because Signing It Looks Like a Gun
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Old Sourpuss
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I love how we have two threads for this
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/12 17:40:05
Subject: School Asks deaf Boy To Change His Name.... Because Signing It Looks Like a Gun
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Watch out! The stupidity is multiplying!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/12 17:47:24
Subject: School Asks deaf Boy To Change His Name.... Because Signing It Looks Like a Gun
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Just in case you guys wonder, though, here's a tidbit of info on why he chose his sign name: Signers (aka people who use sign language) usually choose a sign that represents either a typical characteristic (e.g. the sign PONYTAIL if you got a ponytail) or, if possible, a sing that refers to their name. Since he is called "Hunter", his sign is likely to be HUNT or HUNTER. The actual signing varies from regio to region (similar as in vocal speech's dialects), but it can be signed to look like firing a rifle. Check this site, the "H" category, for the sign HUNT and you'll see it: http://www.aslpro.com/cgi-bin/aslpro/aslpro.cgi Still a pretty dumb move by the school, just wanted to get that info out And please, please, do not pity Deaf or deaf people...they neither want nor need it. Pitying them for being deaf means you thinking that being deaf is a disability / obstacle for them, a medical deficit, which is, by most Deaf / deaf, considered slightly offensive. ASL (and sign languages in general) are not a substitute for vocal speech, it's just another language with its own grammar, vocabulary etc. =)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/12 18:03:53
Subject: School Asks deaf Boy To Change His Name.... Because Signing It Looks Like a Gun
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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As the Dragon said: I do not have pity.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/12 18:04:03
Subject: School Asks deaf Boy To Change His Name.... Because Signing It Looks Like a Gun
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Arch Magos w/ 4 Meg of RAM
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Do not downplay toddlers
They killed more Americans then terrorists, its only a matter of time before we have multimillion dollar machines and high school dropouts to man them at every school and day care in the country to protect us from this menace.
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/guns/toddlers-killed-more-americans-terrorists-did-year
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/12 18:30:27
Subject: School Asks deaf Boy To Change His Name.... Because Signing It Looks Like a Gun
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Member of the Ethereal Council
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Sigvatr wrote:Just in case you guys wonder, though, here's a tidbit of info on why he chose his sign name:
Signers (aka people who use sign language) usually choose a sign that represents either a typical characteristic (e.g. the sign PONYTAIL if you got a ponytail) or, if possible, a sing that refers to their name. Since he is called "Hunter", his sign is likely to be HUNT or HUNTER. The actual signing varies from regio to region (similar as in vocal speech's dialects), but it can be signed to look like firing a rifle. Check this site, the "H" category, for the sign HUNT and you'll see it:
http://www.aslpro.com/cgi-bin/aslpro/aslpro.cgi
Still a pretty dumb move by the school, just wanted to get that info out
And please, please, do not pity Deaf or deaf people...they neither want nor need it. Pitying them for being deaf means you thinking that being deaf is a disability / obstacle for them, a medical deficit, which is, by most Deaf / deaf, considered slightly offensive. ASL (and sign languages in general) are not a substitute for vocal speech, it's just another language with its own grammar, vocabulary etc. =)
Why would i pity them? They never ever have to hear Bieber or Gaga music while driving in the car.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/12 18:35:48
Subject: School Asks deaf Boy To Change His Name.... Because Signing It Looks Like a Gun
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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I don't pity them at all. That'd be silly.
I was rather moved by the reactions in some of the "hearing for the first time" videos, though.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/12 18:40:16
Subject: School Asks deaf Boy To Change His Name.... Because Signing It Looks Like a Gun
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Ferocious Black Templar Castellan
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Frazzled wrote:he should change his name to Explodingmortarshell and the hand gesture can be both hands going wide with a boom face.
Alternatively he could change his name to a completely different hand gesture which I find to be amazingly appropriate.
Yes. This. Make it happen. Have an exalt.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/12 19:03:19
Subject: School Asks deaf Boy To Change His Name.... Because Signing It Looks Like a Gun
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Hurr! Ogryn Bone 'Ead!
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Frazzled, usually I dislike/don't even read what you post.
But:
Frazzled wrote: he could change his name to a completely different hand gesture which I find to be amazingly appropriate.
That one was good.
Thank you.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/12 19:58:49
Subject: School Asks deaf Boy To Change His Name.... Because Signing It Looks Like a Gun
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Old Sourpuss
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M_Stress wrote:
Frazzled, usually I dislike/don't even read what you post.
But:
Frazzled wrote: he could change his name to a completely different hand gesture which I find to be amazingly appropriate.
That one was good.
Thank you.
I find every post that Frazz writes, no matter the content, is worth reading simply so one doesn't miss out on gems like this. Also so I can hear the word of the Great Wienie and learn why my cat is evil
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/12 20:07:06
Subject: School Asks deaf Boy To Change His Name.... Because Signing It Looks Like a Gun
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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mmm yes, the gospel according to TBone, Herald of the Great Wienie, is always an inspiration.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/12 20:10:12
Subject: Re:School Asks deaf Boy To Change His Name.... Because Signing It Looks Like a Gun
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Longtime Dakkanaut
St. Louis, Missouri
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Do any other countries have problems with "zero tolerance" shenanigans like this, or is it just the US?
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