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Something new.

As a new cron player, what would a 1750 list consist of?

Well obviously I'm going to vote for Hive Fleet Pandora, it's my default setting

But I've come to like your bat-reps whatever you play, and it looks like there may be a few Nids there already so you're bound to encounter one of them I suppose.

I'd like to vote against the Crons though. I just don't like Crons very much.

Ok, guys...I've finally picked a list....



....and it's a surprise.



Yup, it's NONE of the lists above (in my opening post). It's actually somewhat of throwback list. It's not the most competitive list, but I feel with it, I have a shot at winning.


What is it? It's a big F-U anti-meta list. That's all I'm saying for now. You're just going to have to find out tomorrow.

 SpacePup1987 wrote:
As a new cron player, what would a 1750 list consist of?

This would be my competitive 1750 cron list:


Destroyer Lord - 2+, Mindshackles, ResOrb
Destroyer Lord - 2+, Mindshackles, ResOrb

5x Warriors - Night Scythe
5x Warriors - Night Scythe
5x Warriors - Night Scythe
5x Warriors - Night Scythe

6x Wraiths - 1x Whip
6x Wraiths - 1x Whip

Annihilation Barge
Annihilation Barge
Annihilation Barge

1750

Baktru wrote:
Well obviously I'm going to vote for Hive Fleet Pandora, it's my default setting

But I've come to like your bat-reps whatever you play, and it looks like there may be a few Nids there already so you're bound to encounter one of them I suppose.

I'd like to vote against the Crons though. I just don't like Crons very much.

Nope, no crons....and no bugs either.


However, what it will have is Forgeworld (yes, FW are allowed).

 jy2 wrote:
Yup, it's NONE of the lists above (in my opening post). It's actually somewhat of throwback list. It's not the most competitive list, but I feel with it, I have a shot at winning.


What is it? It's a big F-U anti-meta list. That's all I'm saying for now. You're just going to have to find out tomorrow.

Bringing out the Space Puppies, perhaps? Haven't seen them in ages.

Good luck jy2!

 Janthkin wrote:

 jy2 wrote:
Yup, it's NONE of the lists above (in my opening post). It's actually somewhat of throwback list. It's not the most competitive list, but I feel with it, I have a shot at winning.


What is it? It's a big F-U anti-meta list. That's all I'm saying for now. You're just going to have to find out tomorrow.

Bringing out the Space Puppies, perhaps? Haven't seen them in ages.

Only one way to find out....show up!

 Dozer Blades wrote:
Good luck jy2!

Thanks!

If I want any shot at winning, I think I'm going to need it....and probably lots of it.

Yey! Good luck jy2!

 SpacePup1987 wrote:
As a new cron player, what would a 1750 list consist of?

I have 2 versions: either 1

1 Destroyer Lord w/ Mindshackles, Semp Weave
1 Destroyer Lord w/ Mindshackles, Semp Weave


5 Necron Warriors w/ Nightscythe
5 Necron Warriors w/ Nightscythe
5 Necron Warriors w/ Nightscythe
8 Necron Warriors w/ Ghost Ark

6 Canoptek Wraiths w/ Whipcoil
6 Canoptek Wraiths w/ Whipcoil

1 Annihilation Barge
1 Annihilation Barge
1 Annihilation Barge


or 2

1 Destroyer Lord w/ Mindshackles, Semp Weave
1 Chaos Sorcerer


5 Necron Warriors w/ Nightscythe
5 Necron Warriors w/ Nightscythe
5 Necron Warriors w/ Nightscythe
10 Chaos Cultists w/ flamer

5 Canoptek Wraiths w/ Whipcoil
5 Canoptek Wraiths
5 Canoptek Wraiths
1 Helldrake w/ Baleflamer

1 Annihilation Barge
1 Annihilation Barge
1 Annihilation Barge

Enjoy the tournament jy2, looking forward to the batreps

same here, give them some good spanking

Thanks for the support, guys. Getting ready to head off to the tournament soon.

 Janthkin wrote:

 jy2 wrote:
Yup, it's NONE of the lists above (in my opening post). It's actually somewhat of throwback list. It's not the most competitive list, but I feel with it, I have a shot at winning.


What is it? It's a big F-U anti-meta list. That's all I'm saying for now. You're just going to have to find out tomorrow.

Bringing out the Space Puppies, perhaps? Haven't seen them in ages.

Hey Kev,

You know me too well. Yes, PUPPIES!!! One of my original and very first tournament armies.


But it's not going to be a conventional one....I'm not going to bring a single long fang!!!

Best of luck! (unless of course you play against me, in which case I temporarily retract my blessing)

Good luck! As a new player I really enjoy your stuff.
Thanks for the tips, cheers.

Yey space puppies!

Before I get into the tournament, I believe an introduction to my new army is required.


Just the night before the tournament, I was still unsure of what to bring to the tournament. Then, while I was out shopping with my spouse, I had an epiphany. While bored out of my gourd waiting for her to browse the local shops (but never tell them that!), I was sitting down playing that stupid Candy Crush on my iPhone when in the midst of my indecision, I had a moment of clarity. What better way to screw with people than to bring something that no one was expecting. In other words, I was going to bring a list that everyone said was bad. This list will either beat you black and blue if you didn't bring the tools to deal with it....or it would die a horrible death.


Let me introduce to you my new Space Wolves:


1750 Quad Pro Quo Space Wolves


First off, I'll start with my HQ's, from left to right:

Left: Rune Priest Loki - Meltabombs - Jaws of the World Wolf, Murderous Hurricane

Middle: Rune Priest Blackheart - Jaws of the World Wolf, Stormcaller

Right: Rune Priest Goldmoon - Boltgun - Jaws of the World Wolf, Living Lightning


Rune Priests bring a lot of utility to the army. They are also a big F-U to Tau, Tyranids and Necrons. I may go eat crow for for this list, but they can go eat Jaws.

They've also now got the best psychic defense in the game. Yeah, F-U to all those psychic armies. Iron Arm and Fortune ain't going to save your a$$ because half the time, you won't be getting them off!

Finally, they are very flexible. 1 Rune Priest has unlimited range AT fire (Living Lightning). Another has anti-horde firepower (Murderous Hurricane) that will also slow them down. Finally, my Warlord can give all friendly Space Wolf units within 6" 5+ cover....and he's going to be inside an indestructible land raider!



For my troops, I've got:

5x Grey Hunters - 1x Flamer
5x Grey Hunters - 1x Melta
5x Grey Hunters - 1x Melta
5x Grey Hunters - 1x Plasma



For my first land raider, it is actually an Elite selection. Because Forgeworld is allowed here, I've gone with several specialized FW units.

Land Raider Prometheus "Prometheus" - Mult-melta


You think dark eldar and tau are the only ones with Night Vision? Think again. I can see you in the dark and then I will illuminate you with searchlights for my entire army to fire upon.

He also reduces your cover by -1 and gives +1 to my reserves should I decide to reserve some of my units.


Now we go with my 3 Heavy Supports. We'll start off with basic first:



Land Raider "Larry" (because he is just a regular guy)


We then go to advance - my horde and Tau specialist:



Land Raider Helios "Helios"


A land raider and a whirlwind all in one! What a nifty idea. I can now shoot down tanks and hordes all at the same time!

Yeah, Tau, you're not the only ones who can ignore cover. Here, have a cold one...


Now we graduate to the monstrous:



Land Raider Achilles "Achilles" - Seige Shield


This baby is near indestructible. He is immune to the melta and lance special rules, and any damage to it is reduced by -1 on the damage charts.

He can handle both vehicles (2x TL-Multi-meltas) as well as horde (Thunderfire cannon). This guy's a beast! He's also going to make killing my Warlord near impossible unless I disembark him.


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So there you go....my anti-meta list. What do you think? Is it good enough to possibly take this tournament?


Coming up later....info about the tournament and army pics of the players there.

That is... so magnificently evil

I love it!

Not too keen on the painting but the list looks pretty nasty, be interesting to see how you do. I await the batreps eagerly.

4 Landraider, yikes, that could be a world of hurt...

that is...awesome!

I approve!

Yikes, that is a lot of Armour value! I see problems with taking objectives and god help you if you come up against dark eldar. All that haywire would shred you!

Just for clarification can the thunderfire cannon be PotmS to aim at infantry while las cannons shred a vehicle?

 CaptainJay wrote:
Not too keen on the painting but the list looks pretty nasty, be interesting to see how you do. I await the batreps eagerly.

Sorry, but this was a last minute army put together from various of my other armies. Hence, all the different paint schemes. The Achilles isn't really painted yet and is a WIP.


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Ok, let's take a look at the armies.



Group shot of the tournament participants.

It turned out to be smaller than I had anticipated, with only 16 people. Several people that I was anticipating would be here couldn't make it, including our resident Draigowing/dreadknight player, the BAO Best Space Marine player and 2 guys from Team Zero Comp (who probably were too scared to come j.k.!)

Still, looking at the armies, it looked like there would be some fierce competition, though none that looked like it could handle 4 land raiders.



Tau/eldar, or Taudar, was the dominant armies in this tournament. This one included the Forgeworld Nightwing, a very nasty and good flyer with Vector Dancer and 2+ cover!!!


Pure Slaaneshi marines. You're not getting cover from most of their shooting.


Team Zero Comp member Raw Dogger's Dark Angels. Not sure if he was using allies.


Janthkin's Slaaneshi Chaos Daemons+Chaos Space Marines.


ImmotekhtheStormlord's Necrons+Grey Knights.


Pure Tau with Forgeworld characters.


Adam's Triptide Taudar.


Footguard with 4 flyers, including 2 Forgeworld.


Yours truly.


Ministry's Taudar.


Jame's Lascannon-spam space marines. He had 11 lascannons in his army.


Gus' footdar. Gus has been away for a while, but he was the Tau player who gave my armies fits back in 5th. Yeah, back when I was running the best army in the game, Grey Knights, he was one of the very few players who consistently gave my knights some of their toughest fights.


Another pure Tau player with a sunshark!


John, the Space Marine+Dark Angels player. He actually changed up his list just before the tournament, opting to drop the 3 stormtalons for some bikers, 2 more Hyperios and a vindicator.


The BAO 2013 winner, Liz and her no-MC daemons. She definitely wanted nothing to do with my Quad Pro Quo Wolves.





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 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
Yikes, that is a lot of Armour value! I see problems with taking objectives and god help you if you come up against dark eldar. All that haywire would shred you!

Just for clarification can the thunderfire cannon be PotmS to aim at infantry while las cannons shred a vehicle?

I was looking forwards to playing Frankie's venom-spam DE list. Too bad at the last minute, he couldn't make it.

Yes, you can use PotMS to fire the TFC and snap-shoot the MM's at a different target.

Aw, I was hoping to see Frankie's list here too. That was going to be the one I rooted for. Codex loyalties and all.

That Necron list will probably be pretty dangerous to you, and that 3 Riptide Taudar list could be tricky. I was hoping you would get your last Land Raider painted before the game, but I guess you didn't have time.

That Nightwing is sexy. I'd love to field one, but I don't want to spend that much on the FW book. The models I'm fine with, but the books are just too expensive.

Surprising amount of Taudar here. Good luck!

Biggest match ups:

11 lascannons, nuff said
Necrons with the knight might be dangerous


Andthat first shot Eldar Tau is one of the most gorgeous armies i've ever seen!!

ack!!! No bugs!!

I thought Reece had the Tyranid front covered, and my Daemons had the advantage of already being in the travel bag. These things happen.

Also no Sisters, no Guard, and no DE, if we're counting.

That first Taudar army is nicely painted and good to see the Nightwing, definitely one of my favourite models too!

 Janthkin wrote:
I thought Reece had the Tyranid front covered, and my Daemons had the advantage of already being in the travel bag. These things happen.

Also no Sisters, no Guard, and no DE, if we're counting.

It looked like there was a guard player, unless he dropped.

D'oh. Somehow, I forgot about that one. Fine, "Also no Sisters, no BT, and no DE, if we're counting. "

Well, couple more bumps and I can begin Game #1 on p.3 so as to avoid overloading this page 2 and making load times long.

 Valek wrote:

 SpacePup1987 wrote:
As a new cron player, what would a 1750 list consist of?

I have 2 versions: either 1

1 Destroyer Lord w/ Mindshackles, Semp Weave
1 Destroyer Lord w/ Mindshackles, Semp Weave


5 Necron Warriors w/ Nightscythe
5 Necron Warriors w/ Nightscythe
5 Necron Warriors w/ Nightscythe
8 Necron Warriors w/ Ghost Ark

6 Canoptek Wraiths w/ Whipcoil
6 Canoptek Wraiths w/ Whipcoil

1 Annihilation Barge
1 Annihilation Barge
1 Annihilation Barge


or 2

1 Destroyer Lord w/ Mindshackles, Semp Weave
1 Chaos Sorcerer


5 Necron Warriors w/ Nightscythe
5 Necron Warriors w/ Nightscythe
5 Necron Warriors w/ Nightscythe
10 Chaos Cultists w/ flamer

5 Canoptek Wraiths w/ Whipcoil
5 Canoptek Wraiths
5 Canoptek Wraiths
1 Helldrake w/ Baleflamer

1 Annihilation Barge
1 Annihilation Barge
1 Annihilation Barge

Both lists are very competitive. There is also another one similar but with less wraiths and a CSM Daemon Prince with Black Mace instead (the one Tomb King runs). All are good.

From these lists, you can kind of see which are the more competitive necron units that people use.

 ImotekhTheStormlord wrote:
Best of luck! (unless of course you play against me, in which case I temporarily retract my blessing)

Wow....you are both a scholar and a prophet.

 SpacePup1987 wrote:
Good luck! As a new player I really enjoy your stuff.
Thanks for the tips, cheers.

Thanks, and you're welcome!

 tanuvein wrote:
Aw, I was hoping to see Frankie's list here too. That was going to be the one I rooted for. Codex loyalties and all.

That Necron list will probably be pretty dangerous to you, and that 3 Riptide Taudar list could be tricky. I was hoping you would get your last Land Raider painted before the game, but I guess you didn't have time.

That Nightwing is sexy. I'd love to field one, but I don't want to spend that much on the FW book. The models I'm fine with, but the books are just too expensive.

Surprising amount of Taudar here. Good luck!

Yeah, I was also hoping to beat....I mean, see Frankie's list here also. One thing I can tell you is that Frankie is on a bit of a losing streak against me, just as I have been on a bit of a losing streak against deldar.

Necrons have nothing that can really hurt me. Dreadknight will go down faster than you can say supercalifragilisticexpialidocious. As for the wraithstar, no way will it survive 3 jaws as well as my shooting. My list is really a bad matchup for him. The only chance he has is if he can go 2nd on a mission with lots of objectives....and then pray that the game ends on 5.

Triptide list will have problems as well. Tactics against them? Shoot down the Ethereal's unit. Then tankshock the hell out of his troops and watch them all run away. Oh, and jaws the riptides while I'm at it.

Nightwings are pretty good, at least on paper. I can't believe something like that can get 2+ cover. Then again, you can also achieve the same results on a heldrake with Forewarning+Grimoire or Invisibility.

I'm actually not too surprised about taudar. They are actually a very, very good combo. IMO they are top-tier whereas my list is more gimmicky.

 Valek wrote:
Biggest match ups:

11 lascannons, nuff said
Necrons with the knight might be dangerous


Andthat first shot Eldar Tau is one of the most gorgeous armies i've ever seen!!

That SM list could actually hurt my army, and I don't even know how many meltas he has in there as well.

I think that taudar player with the Nightwing might have won Best Painted.

 Roci wrote:
ack!!! No bugs!!

There would have been had Reece showed up. He was bringing bugs.

 Janthkin wrote:
I thought Reece had the Tyranid front covered, and my Daemons had the advantage of already being in the travel bag. These things happen.

Also no Sisters, no Guard, and no DE, if we're counting.

Guards was there....with 4 flyers of which 2 were Forgeworld.

 Red Corsair wrote:

 Janthkin wrote:
I thought Reece had the Tyranid front covered, and my Daemons had the advantage of already being in the travel bag. These things happen.

Also no Sisters, no Guard, and no DE, if we're counting.

It looked like there was a guard player, unless he dropped.

He played until the end. I know he lost his first game (against the necron-GK player) though I don't know how he did afterwards.




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 Janthkin wrote:
D'oh. Somehow, I forgot about that one. Fine, "Also no Sisters, no BT, and no DE, if we're counting. "

And no BA!