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2013/07/02 01:05:13
Subject: Coming this Sunday, 6/30 - 1750 RTT Tournament (Poll added, lists coming after tournament)
Just so that you don't have to flip back and forth to see my list again.
Rune Priest Loki - Meltabombs - Jaws of the World Wolf, Murderous Hurricane Rune Priest Blackheart - Jaws of the World Wolf, Stormcaller Rune Priest Goldmoon - Boltgun - Jaws of the World Wolf, Living Lightning
Land Raider Prometheus "Prometheus" - Multi-melta (Note - Elite selection)
Land Raider "Larry"
Land Raider Helios "Helios"
Land Raider Achilles "Achilles" - Seige Shield
1750 Space Marines + Dark Angels
John, my opponent for this game, is more of a casual player than a competitive one. Just a few days before, I actually got in a practice game with him. On that day, he also ran 3 stormtalons in his list. I was kind of surprised to see him drop them, but I could see why. His list back then lacked mobility of troops as well as a powerful gun so he dropped his flyers for bike troops and a vindicator (and possibly other stuff). Let's see if those changes worked.
Master of the Forge - Conversion Beamer
Space Marine Captain - 2+, Bike (Warlord)
Dark Angel Librarian - Powerfield Generator - Prescience
10x Tactical Marines - Meltagun, Missile Launcher
8x Space Marine Bikers - 1x Attack Bike w/Multi-melta (combat squadded)
Tertiary (1-pt each): First Blood, Linebreaker and Slay the Warlord
Actually, missions were altered slightly. The bonus points for Scouring Fast Attacks or Big Gun Heavy Supports actually count toward the Overall score and not the mission objectives. Thus, you can conceivably get up to 14-pts per game. I attribute this to a misunderstanding of the BAO rules, but it doesn't matter. I still aim to crush all my opponents.
I felt bad for my opponent. Other than 1 lascannon, a conversion beamer and the vindicator, he doesn't have much that can deal with my LR's other than to try to glance them to death. As soon as he moves his melta-units towards me, I am going to take them down. I am going to shove my invincible Achilles down the throat of his army whereas the other LR's will just sit on objectives and go pew-pew. But before that, I am going to get those FA bonus points and kill off his Hyperios. That should be rather easy. Jaws will auto-kill them if they don't deny or I can just run them over with my LR's (can't move out of the way of my tank shocks). This is a bad matchup for John and he's going to need a lot of luck to have any chance of pulling off the victory here.
Sorry, no pictures this turn. John barely moves his models and his shooting takes off only 1 Hull Point from my Achilles.
Space Wolves 1
Spoiler:
Tanks advance. Everyone moves 6" except the Achilles, which moves 12". Blackheart (my Warlord) casts Stormcaller.
My shooting is pretty ineffective as well. I only kill 1 biker and 1 marine.
All my AT fails to do anything to his vindicator thanks to his ADL giving it 4+ cover.
Space Marines 2
Spoiler:
John's movement, which is very little.
His shooting just manages to scratch my paint, though I did make my cover against his vindicator.
Space Wolves 2
Spoiler:
Aagh...Prometheus immobilizes itself on terrain. Goldmoon's unit then disembarks.
Achilles go after the vindicator.
Once again, the vindicator survives my firepower, though it is shaken and immobilized.
The rest of my shooting does jack.
Space Marines 3
Spoiler:
Bikers start to move out.
Conversion Beamer at S10 manages to kill Larry (the normal land raider), giving my opponent First Blood . Now his TFC's finally have a target (well, 2 of them do anyways) and fire at Loki's unit. However, he doesn't hit very much due to how I spaced out my wolves and only kill 1.
VP's - SM: 1, SW: 0
Space Wolves 3
Spoiler:
Blackheart suffers Perils but manages to cast Stormcaller anyways.
Achilles then tank shocks and runs over 2 of the Hyperios launchers.
Goldmoon makes a break for the objective (a 3-pointer in my deployment zone).
Blackheart's unit moves up.
Helios gets behind cover near an objective.
Prometheus shoots down 2 marines.
Loki casts Jaws, killing off the Hyperios for 1VP as well as 1 biker.
PotMS multi-melta from Achilles then finishes off the vindicator.
VP's - SM: 1, SW: 2
Space Marines 4
Spoiler:
Marines shuffle around.
SM shooting takes off another 1HP from Achilles as well as kill 1-2 grey hunters.
Space Wolves 4
Spoiler:
Loki and his hunters jump into the creek to avoid enemy fire.
They then run forwards and hide in the ruins. This is what I call Urban Tactical Warfare.
Achilles moves to the other flank (where the other Hyperios are).
Combined shooting from my 3 land raiders wipe out 1 unit of thunderfire and its techmarine.
VP's - SM: 1, SW: 3
I also kill 2 more unsuspecting marines who were waiting in line to get their lunch.
Finally, the Prometheus kills off 4 marines on the Icarus lascannon.
Space Marines 5
Spoiler:
Overview of what would be the last game turn.
Bikers make a break for his 3-pt objective.
His other bikers and tact squad go after his 1-pt objective.
Master of the Forge would break off.
SM shooting would take off 1 more HP from Achilles but couldn't quite finish him off.
Bikers could not make it to the objective in No-Man's-Land due to Achilles blocking their way and so just turbo-boost around the objective.
His other bikers also turbo-boost around the objective to protect them against my hunters.
Space Wolves 5
Spoiler:
Achilles tank shocks and runs over his other unit of Hyperios. I've now killed both of his Fast Attacks which, ironically, aren't very fast at all.
VP's - SM: 1, SW: 4
Hunters disembark from Helios to claim an objective.
Finally, Loki splits off from the hunters, who go to contest the 3-pt objective.
Hunters then run to contest. To add insult to injury, Loki casts Jaws and kill 1 biker along with the Space Marine Captain, thus giving me Slay the Warlord as
well.
VP's - SM: 1, SW: 5
Game ends. I've won on Purge the Alien 5-1.
I'm contesting John's 3-pt objective here.
I forget that vehicles cannot contest so my opponent does get this 1-pt objective. However....
I've got the 2-pt & 3-pt objectives in my deployment zone.
I also get Warlord, Linebreaker (grey hunters) and 2 Fast Attacks for a maximum of 10-pts to my opponent's 1 (First Blood).
Yeah, this was just what I expected. I gotta give John props for sticking it out though, despite the bad matchup. He did kill 1 LR more than I expected and came very close to killing another. However, his biggest mistake was not moving out his bikers much earlier to threaten the other objectives. It could have been a closer game had he done that, though I'd probably still have won. In any case, my opponent was the first victim to my anti-meta list. I'm expecting 2 more....
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Can you cast spells from inside your Raiders? Thought you needed LOS.. Just curious, as the Raiders aren't protecting much if you have to get out to cast.
Don't feel like pulling out my SW codex/faqs haha. I know 4thEd Eldrad/DA PFG got nerfed so they couldn't.
hippesthippo wrote: Can you cast spells from inside your Raiders? Thought you needed LOS.. Just curious, as the Raiders aren't protecting much if you have to get out to cast.
Don't feel like pulling out my SW codex/faqs haha. I know 4thEd Eldrad/DA PFG got nerfed so they couldn't.
The only thing I can cast from within the LR's is Stormcaller to give surrounding LR's 5+ cover. Otherwise, yes, I need to expose them to risk if I want to cast any of their other psychic powers.
However, losing a 100-pt HQ in order to kill a 200-pt riptide or potentially more is well worth the risk.
hippesthippo wrote: Can you cast spells from inside your Raiders? Thought you needed LOS.. Just curious, as the Raiders aren't protecting much if you have to get out to cast.
Don't feel like pulling out my SW codex/faqs haha. I know 4thEd Eldrad/DA PFG got nerfed so they couldn't.
The only thing I can cast from within the LR's is Stormcaller to give surrounding LR's 5+ cover. Otherwise, yes, I need to expose them to risk if I want to cast any of their other psychic powers.
However, losing a 100-pt HQ in order to kill a 200-pt riptide or potentially more is well worth the risk.
It is important to note that you are not just risking the RP, but his entire squad as well for a 2/3 chance for killing a riptide. Since he and his pals cost roughly 200 pts this is of dubious worth.
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Sydney August 2014 Warhammer 40k Tournament-Best General
2013/07/02 05:09:51
Subject: Coming this Sunday, 6/30 - 1750 RTT Tournament (Poll added, lists coming after tournament)
Was the lone Guard player. Had a great time there with everyone and went W/L 1-2. Don’t want to spoil anything else until his finally report is up but safe to say if my army played his the only way I might of won was be clogging his Land Raiders tracks with dead bodies and even then I don’t think I had enough men.
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BAO 2015 : Best Space Wolves.
The best battle plans are the simplest. Just run forward and punch your enemy in the face.
2013/07/02 06:29:16
Subject: Coming this Sunday, 6/30 - 1750 RTT Tournament (Poll added, lists coming after tournament)
hippesthippo wrote: Can you cast spells from inside your Raiders? Thought you needed LOS.. Just curious, as the Raiders aren't protecting much if you have to get out to cast.
Don't feel like pulling out my SW codex/faqs haha. I know 4thEd Eldrad/DA PFG got nerfed so they couldn't.
The only thing I can cast from within the LR's is Stormcaller to give surrounding LR's 5+ cover. Otherwise, yes, I need to expose them to risk if I want to cast any of their other psychic powers.
However, losing a 100-pt HQ in order to kill a 200-pt riptide or potentially more is well worth the risk.
It is important to note that you are not just risking the RP, but his entire squad as well for a 2/3 chance for killing a riptide. Since he and his pals cost roughly 200 pts this is of dubious worth.
Actually, I wouldn't disembark my troops if I am going to sacrifice one of my RP's. The scoring troops are much more valuable. The only time I would disembark them with my RP is if I feel they aren't in any real danger of getting wiped out by enemy retaliation or if I need to claim an objective.
You will see what I mean in my Game #2.
Panzer1944 wrote: Was the lone Guard player. Had a great time there with everyone and went W/L 1-2. Don’t want to spoil anything else until his finally report is up but safe if my army played his the only way I might of won was be clogging his Land Raiders tracks with dead bodies and even then I don’t think I had enough men.
Nice to meet you. Always cool to associate a face to the dakka persona. Your flyers looked really cool and that demolisher was actually scary to me. I was actually hoping that I didn't have to face your guards because my army isn't all that good in taking down flyers.
But yeah, my wolves would have probably been a bad matchup for your army as well. With all those guardsmen, I could've pulled out a lot of multi-assaults if I had to....but not before killing a lot of guardsmen with my shooting (TFC and whirlwind ignoring cover, TL-heavy bolters that reduce your cover by -1).
Actually, I wouldn't disembark my troops if I am going to sacrifice one of my RP's. The scoring troops are much more valuable. The only time I would disembark them with my RP is if I feel they aren't in any real danger of getting wiped out by enemy retaliation or if I need to claim an objective.
You will see what I mean in my Game #2.
I look foward to seeing that poor game # 2 sucker taste jaws.
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Sydney August 2014 Warhammer 40k Tournament-Best General
2013/07/02 15:02:38
Subject: Coming this Sunday, 6/30 - 1750 RTT Tournament (Poll added, lists coming after tournament)
Jaws wont auto kill them as the hyperios are still artierlly and guns auto pass any leadership checks they are forced to make.
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2013/07/02 15:10:15
Subject: Coming this Sunday, 6/30 - 1750 RTT Tournament (Poll added, lists coming after tournament)
Nice first game, altough i didn't expect much of fight. Lets see what game 2 brings you, i predict Crons...
You have ruled this galaxy for ten thousand years
Yet have little of account to show for your efforts
Order. Unity. Obedience.
We taught the galaxy these things
And we shall do so again.
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2013/07/02 19:45:43
Subject: 1750 Game Kastle RTT Tournament, June 30 (Game #1 on p.3)
I hope to see the crons as well. Normally I would say the crons are a nice match up for all that crazy metal. The Achilles has some nice rules but no protection from gauss, entropic strike or armorbane. Good thing is, only armorbane open to the list that will be played.
They do have a number of Forgeworld releases and FW is allowed in this tourney.
I hear the grot tanks are pretty good.
I was a little vague there. I was talking about Sisters who haven't had a new model in over a decade. Even if you count Forgeworld! Sisters are such a redheaded stepchild, people forget to mention them in the discussion about who is the redheaded stepchild!
2013/07/02 20:01:54
Subject: 1750 Game Kastle RTT Tournament, June 30 (Game #1 on p.3)
The first round opponent did wait too long to get the bikes involved in the game. His lack of aggression made things easier.
I guess you might not have listed all the wargear, but that marine list has very little in the way of melta or melta bombs. That's surprising to me since even in the vehicle light 6th edition they are cheap options to deter mechanized lists from getting too close. The same weapons are also helpful against monster heavy lists so I'm not sure why you wouldn't bring some.
2013/07/02 21:05:55
Subject: Coming this Sunday, 6/30 - 1750 RTT Tournament (Poll added, lists coming after tournament)
They do have a number of Forgeworld releases and FW is allowed in this tourney.
I hear the grot tanks are pretty good.
I was a little vague there. I was talking about Sisters who haven't had a new model in over a decade. Even if you count Forgeworld! Sisters are such a redheaded stepchild, people forget to mention them in the discussion about who is the redheaded stepchild!
sisters got avenger strike fighters and an exorcist thingy, the forgeworld tank, and a bunch of regalia and symbols for tanks and the like.....(ALL FORGEWORLD)
Interesting list... Would be interesting to see how it fares versus certain armies that can pop AV14... Dark eldar blaster spam, eldar with a Wraith Knight, Necrons have all the right tools, even the right Tau list could do it. Your small Grey Hunter squads I could see having some problems versus certain armies too. Hopefully you continued to get good match ups.
Valek wrote: Nice first game, altough i didn't expect much of fight. Lets see what game 2 brings you, i predict Crons...
Yup, it's crons alright....led by ImmotekhtheStormlord.
Roci wrote: I hope to see the crons as well. Normally I would say the crons are a nice match up for all that crazy metal. The Achilles has some nice rules but no protection from gauss, entropic strike or armorbane. Good thing is, only armorbane open to the list that will be played.
Actually, crons will have trouble unless they are running a scarab-farm. Wraiths and even the D-lord will have problems and you can't really rely on Gauss, at least not when you are running 5-man warrior units in night scythes. The moment they disembark, you can be sure that they are going to die.
They do have a number of Forgeworld releases and FW is allowed in this tourney.
I hear the grot tanks are pretty good.
I was a little vague there. I was talking about Sisters who haven't had a new model in over a decade. Even if you count Forgeworld! Sisters are such a redheaded stepchild, people forget to mention them in the discussion about who is the redheaded stepchild!
It's been a while since I've seen your sisters here at GK. You should drop on by. You'll get a lot of practice against the newer armies, including Chaos, Tau and eldar.
Solosam47 wrote: So badly wanna see some orkz against your list, even if they lose. Greenskins need love too.
Great first game tho, love the SW army set up and want to see how it fairs against those damned triptides
Sorry, no orks at the tournament, though nob bikers will probably work over my LR's real hard...assuming they can survive 3 Jaws.
I would love to crush.....I mean, play against one of the Tau players and especially triple riptides.
bogalubov wrote: The first round opponent did wait too long to get the bikes involved in the game. His lack of aggression made things easier.
I guess you might not have listed all the wargear, but that marine list has very little in the way of melta or melta bombs. That's surprising to me since even in the vehicle light 6th edition they are cheap options to deter mechanized lists from getting too close. The same weapons are also helpful against monster heavy lists so I'm not sure why you wouldn't bring some.
Yeah, experience will teach you to play for the objectives....though he may have been concerned about his bikers surviving if they head out too early.
He had 1 melta and 1 multi-melta to go along with the Icarus lascannon, vindicator, conversion beamer (potentially S10 AP1) and 8 krak missiles. Overall, his AT isn't bad. It's just not enough to deal with LR-spam.
I would normally take a less competitive list in casual play, but in a tournament, I need to make sure my TAC list is strong enough to compete against the more competitive lists as well. The thing is, my list is a rock-paper-scissors list. If you bring the right tools, you can probably beat me easily. If not, then you probably won't win. Here, I am betting that the current meta cannot deal with LR-spam.
Dozer Blades wrote: Interesting list... Would be interesting to see how it fares versus certain armies that can pop AV14... Dark eldar blaster spam, eldar with a Wraith Knight, Necrons have all the right tools, even the right Tau list could do it. Your small Grey Hunter squads I could see having some problems versus certain armies too. Hopefully you continued to get good match ups.
Then I would probably lose, though I wouldn't make it an easy game for my opponent. Honestly, I'm not too concerned about the wraithknight. 6 lascannons (of which 4 are twin-linked) and 3 multi-meltas (of which 2 are twin-linked) means I will have a good chance to kill him in 2 turns. Meanwhile, I'm not too concerned about elder shooting unless they are bringing fire dragons.
Tau definitely have the tools to deal with LR-spam. However, the dominant competitive Tau build currently does not emphasize S10 railguns anymore. Rather, the most you will probably see is 1 railgun, maybe a couple of S9 ion accelerators, perhaps 1 unit of suits with fusion and a bunch of S5-7 shooting.
They do have a number of Forgeworld releases and FW is allowed in this tourney.
I hear the grot tanks are pretty good.
I was a little vague there. I was talking about Sisters who haven't had a new model in over a decade. Even if you count Forgeworld! Sisters are such a redheaded stepchild, people forget to mention them in the discussion about who is the redheaded stepchild!
sisters got avenger strike fighters and an exorcist thingy, the forgeworld tank, and a bunch of regalia and symbols for tanks and the like.....(ALL FORGEWORLD)
I'm not sure I'd consider random bits of Imperial Navy things to be "new Sisters models". The Exorcist and Repressor are both old as crap. Maybe they were released within the last decade, but it's close.
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jy2 wrote: It's been a while since I've seen your sisters here at GK. You should drop on by. You'll get a lot of practice against the newer armies, including Chaos, Tau and eldar.
Yeah, I don't think I've played a game since the Golden Throne GT last year. I've got a baby now so I've only got time for one hobby at the moment. I'm starting to feel that 40K itch though. which is why I'm back on Dakka.
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2013/07/03 03:50:27
Subject: Coming this Sunday, 6/30 - 1750 RTT Tournament (Poll added, lists coming after tournament)
Amerikon wrote: Yeah, I don't think I've played a game since the Golden Throne GT last year. I've got a baby now so I've only got time for one hobby at the moment. I'm starting to feel that 40K itch though. which is why I'm back on Dakka.
Congrats!
People, we have another 40k player here....in about 10 years.
Haywire Crypteks could pop them. I always ran 5 Gauss Immortals with a Cryptek in my Scythes. That way I could drive by melta and survive long enough tohop backinmyride.
hippesthippo wrote: Haywire Crypteks could pop them. I always ran 5 Gauss Immortals with a Cryptek in my Scythes. That way I could drive by melta and survive long enough tohop backinmyride.
Yeah. I'm actually thinking about changing up my necrons. Swap out 1 of my D-lords and some wraiths for Zandrekh and some storm-teks. But that is when I go back to my necrons....which may be a while.
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