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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/13 12:34:08
Subject: "Farsight - a codex Tau Empire supplement" - released, discussion starts pg 8
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Cosmic Joe
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It's kinda weird how EA and GW seem to share so many policies.
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Nosebiter wrote:Codex Space Marine is renamed as Codex Counts As Because I Dont Like To Loose And Gw Hates My Army. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/13 13:00:15
Subject: "Farsight - a codex Tau Empire supplement" - released, discussion starts pg 8
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Someone said on Warseer that the hardcopy was being held back to October, no idea how accurate that is and/or why. Seems to make little sense to me if correct.
It may depend on where they are being printed and how soon after being finished they are putting it out, with the current release schedule they're printing more than they used to do even allowing for them seeming to forget Fantasy almost completely)
It could be they just can't get enough printed (and distributed world wide) fast enough to release the hard copy before October
It could be they want to see the sales numbers for the digital version going first
or there might be 'Deep and Sinister' reasons (cue spooky music & conspiracy theories)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/13 13:14:28
Subject: Re:"Farsight - a codex Tau Empire supplement" - released, discussion starts pg 8
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Shas'ui with Bonding Knife
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paulson games wrote:One of many reasons why I don't use steam. It makes no sense to pre-order digital items as most pre-orders don't offer any pricebreaks or incentive. Why give a company money in advance when you will get the product at the same time as everybody else? I have better things to do with my money then to let GW sit on it for a month.
Actually... pre-ordering on steam usually has a 10-15% price break.
On topic:
Has anyone figured out yet if this will be available physically ? I don't use smart phones or tablets (i know, i'm a luddite, but i don't believe in getting yet another two devices that require near yearly upgrading, on top of a monthly bill... ), so a desktop digital or physical version are the options i'm looking for.
Thanks to anyone who can point me towards confirmation.
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daedalus wrote:
I mean, it's Dakka. I thought snide arguments from emotion were what we did here.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/13 13:17:25
Subject: Re:"Farsight - a codex Tau Empire supplement" - released, discussion starts pg 8
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Haight wrote: Thanks to anyone who can point me towards confirmation. If you're looking for confirmation, you won't get it until it goes up for pre-order on GW's site. Anything else is a rumor, no matter how good or accurate the person has been in the past. That said, rumors are saying October for the physical version.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/13 13:23:37
Subject: "Farsight - a codex Tau Empire supplement" - released, discussion starts pg 8
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OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Someone said on Warseer that the hardcopy was being held back to October, no idea how accurate that is and/or why. Seems to make little sense to me if correct.
It may depend on where they are being printed and how soon after being finished they are putting it out, with the current release schedule they're printing more than they used to do even allowing for them seeming to forget Fantasy almost completely)
It could be they just can't get enough printed (and distributed world wide) fast enough to release the hard copy before October
It could be they want to see the sales numbers for the digital version going first
or there might be 'Deep and Sinister' reasons (cue spooky music & conspiracy theories)
I don't think it's anything deep and sinister. I think that GW is pushing themselves to the limit when it comes to pushing out products, and they can't get their book releases to the printer fast enough. If they have a finished product, digital distribution is far simpler, especially when you don't have to rely on your own distribution system. That's why I think it was a very wise decision for them to use the iTunes marketplace for their first foray into digital content. I'm not going to get into the whole Apple versus Android argument or the merits and flaws of the platforms, because when it comes down to it, the iTunes is much more established, and has far more volume than Google's marketplace. It just makes sense to use the largest digital distribution platform in the world to distribute your first digital product.
Obviously we see that GW has now expanded beyond iTunes, and all of the Apple naysayers can breate their collective sighs of relief that we have cross-platform digital products. This is a good thing for GW, and it will be a good thing for those of us that play GW's games. But, I do forsee this model of supplements being released digitally weeks, if not months, before physical products come out. I don't think it will really hurt their sales, because these supplements are more niche products than mainstream products (not all Tau players will have any interest in Farsight's army, for example). I also feel that many folks will begin to eschew the hardback books/codexes because they can have a very efficient and streamlined library all contained within one digital device.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/13 13:49:00
Subject: Re:"Farsight - a codex Tau Empire supplement" - released, discussion starts pg 8
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Fireknife Shas'el
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I really like how everything looks like standard art with a red recolor. Really adds to the feeling that it's worth being seperate from the main codex.
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I'm expecting an Imperial Knights supplement dedicated to GW's loyalist apologetics. Codex: White Knights "In the grim dark future, everything is fine."
"The argument is that we have to do this or we will, bit by bit,
lose everything that we hold dear, everything that keeps the business going. Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/13 13:57:57
Subject: Re:"Farsight - a codex Tau Empire supplement" - released, discussion starts pg 8
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paulson games wrote:I find it wierd that they are doing pre-orders for a digital product, it's not like they need to get a product count so they can pile up inventory in a warehouse.
Its a digital product which is unlimted in quantity and takes no space. Taking money upfront and making people wait for a digital download is just another silly thing that shows GW is total fail when it comes to the internet.
iTunes must be a huge Internet fail too.
People really will find any reason to complain when it comes to GW.
Also, the iTunes version isn't releasing in August. It says July 20th just like on the black library website.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/13 14:36:06
Subject: "Farsight - a codex Tau Empire supplement" - released, discussion starts pg 8
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Fixture of Dakka
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I'd like a digital (non-iOS) copy of the codex as well...Not to complain but releasing it for alternative formats at the same time as the supplement would have made sense, like with the Eldar books...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/13 14:50:16
Subject: "Farsight - a codex Tau Empire supplement" - released, discussion starts pg 8
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Archmagos Veneratus Extremis
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They are releasing both at the same time. BL is selling the standard digital to release on 7-20 and ITunes is selling the apple version to be released on 7-20. The only format not out on 7-20 will be standard print.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/13 14:56:14
Subject: "Farsight - a codex Tau Empire supplement" - released, discussion starts pg 8
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Fixture of Dakka
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Hulksmash wrote:They are releasing both at the same time. BL is selling the standard digital to release on 7-20 and ITunes is selling the apple version to be released on 7-20. The only format not out on 7-20 will be standard print.
I think you misunderstood me, I would like a non-iOS version of the codex. This supplement is all well and good but I'd like a digital copy of the codex as well; currently, Eldar is the only ebook codex that's listed on their site..
http://www.blacklibrary.com/games-workshop-digital-editions/Codex
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Six mistakes mankind keeps making century after century: Believing that personal gain is made by crushing others; Worrying about things that cannot be changed or corrected; Insisting that a thing is impossible because we cannot accomplish it; Refusing to set aside trivial preferences; Neglecting development and refinement of the mind; Attempting to compel others to believe and live as we do |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/13 14:57:52
Subject: "Farsight - a codex Tau Empire supplement" - released, discussion starts pg 8
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Archmagos Veneratus Extremis
Home Base: Prosper, TX (Dallas)
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Ah, I did in fact misunderstand. I'm sure they'll get around to it. They've got the rulebook now and will likely go back and start releasing non-iOS of the codexes to match the iTunes offerings.
I'm just glad they seem to be getting into the habit of releasing them together (i.e. Eldar Codex, Tau Supplement) which is good since I don't do iPad.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/13 15:52:06
Subject: "Farsight - a codex Tau Empire supplement" - released, discussion starts pg 8
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Fixture of Dakka
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Hulksmash wrote:Ah, I did in fact misunderstand. I'm sure they'll get around to it. They've got the rulebook now and will likely go back and start releasing non-iOS of the codexes to match the iTunes offerings.
I'm just glad they seem to be getting into the habit of releasing them together (i.e. Eldar Codex, Tau Supplement) which is good since I don't do iPad.
I feel the same way. I have an iPad for work but don't think the product justifies the price. I think I'm a bit strange in that I certainly have the money to purchase an iPad but don't like the closed ecosystem that is all things iOS. That said, I do wish apple would offer the iBook app on Google Play because I do like the auto-update function that keeps the digital products up to date with FAQs/Errata... Ah well, I guess I can't have it all.
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Six mistakes mankind keeps making century after century: Believing that personal gain is made by crushing others; Worrying about things that cannot be changed or corrected; Insisting that a thing is impossible because we cannot accomplish it; Refusing to set aside trivial preferences; Neglecting development and refinement of the mind; Attempting to compel others to believe and live as we do |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/13 15:54:11
Subject: "Farsight - a codex Tau Empire supplement" - released, discussion starts pg 8
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Shas'la with Pulse Carbine
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The site says October 20th for the Hardcopy.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/13 16:37:08
Subject: Re:"Farsight - a codex Tau Empire supplement" - released, discussion starts pg 8
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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The Farsight fluff was slightly expanded in the Codex. Now we will see if the Farsight Enclave is indeed the "Chaos Tau" or the "finally free from ethereal oppression" faction some claim it to be.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/13 16:43:57
Subject: "Farsight - a codex Tau Empire supplement" - released, discussion starts pg 8
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Stern Iron Priest with Thrall Bodyguard
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from the sample pages, Kroot, it looks like the Enclave is Ethereal free, not Chaos Tau...
cheers
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/13 17:03:48
Subject: Re:"Farsight - a codex Tau Empire supplement" - released, discussion starts pg 8
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Reading the excerpted pages, the section entitled "Tendrils of Doubt" describes O'Shovah realizing that the enclaves were functioning well on their own without Ethereal oversight, except for the factor of poor morale (from the deaths of the 3 Ethereals that had originally accompanied their expedition). This combined with his earlier realization about the warp, daemons, and the potential of the warp (such as warp travel like the Imperium uses) and the knowledge the Ethereals had kept the knowledge away from the general Tau population.
My speculation is that O'Shovah concludes the Ethereals have become a tyrannical class keeping the Tau in ignorance in order to maintain their tight grip on power, and that the other castes can function without the Ethereals once they break free of their indoctrination. I don't like the whole "Chaos made me do it" excuse to suddenly turn individuals into cackling villainous versions of their former selves. An ideological epiphany and rebellion led by true believers in the cause is much more realistic and nuanced, allowing players to agree or disagree with the cause themselves, and allowing the individual Tau to remain deciders of their own fate rather than being coerced by outside forces like daemonic possession or dark artifacts.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/13 17:11:38
Subject: Re:"Farsight - a codex Tau Empire supplement" - released, discussion starts pg 8
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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I call it the "Freedom to massacre anyone you want without fear of punishment"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/13 17:17:26
Subject: Re:"Farsight - a codex Tau Empire supplement" - released, discussion starts pg 8
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Kroothawk wrote:I call it the "Freedom to massacre anyone you want without fear of punishment" 
The Greater Good as advocated by the Ethereals and whatever O'Shovah calls his ideology may not actually differ very much. I would speculate the difference is just who is in charge, with the Farsight Enclaves being rid of the "parasitic" Ethereals. In practice I would speculate that if Farsight and the Fire Caste were the new caste in charge, then they may subconsciously still end up being more aggressive and less quick to see the benefits of a good diplomatic policy.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/15 00:17:25
Subject: "Farsight - a codex Tau Empire supplement" - released, discussion starts pg 8
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Khorne Chosen Marine Riding a Juggernaut
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http://forofreakfactory.mforos.com/1035375/11267302-codex-o-shovah-fotos-y-rumores-a-dia-14/#103079772
1 - FOC Changes: *If Farsight is included in your primary detachment, he must be your Warlord
*Crises Suits are now Troops choices
*Cannot take Ethereals (special character or normal) or Shadowsun, but Fireblades are now Elite choices and can be taken 1-3 per slot
2 - Special Issue Wargear (can choose from this list or the original Tau list, but not both):
*Seismic Fibrillator Node -- One use only. Reduces target unit's moving, running/flat out moves, assault moves, and jet pack/jet bike moves in the assault phase by 3".
*Fusion Blades -- User's close combat attacks become S8 AP1 Melta, Unwieldy
*Advanced Jump Accelerator -- Replace Battlesuit's Jetpack, granting it a 9" move in movement phase and 3D6" in the assault phase.
*High Yield Shield Generator -- Grants user a 3++ Invulnerable save
*Advanced Markerlight Pod -- Battlesuit gear that, if it hits, grants two markerlight hits (these can be used by the Battlesuit and his unit, like a networked markerlght)
*Advanced Railrifle -- Solid Shot: S8 AP1 Rapid Fire, 60" or Submunition: S4 AP4 Large Blast, 60"
*Integrated Defense Matrix Node -- One use only. All friendly Codex: Tau Empire units within 18" of the user may overwatch at full BS for a single turn
3 - Special Rules: *All units with the option to take Bonding Knife Ritual get the upgrade for free *Unconventional Doctrine -- All Crises Battlesuits, Tau Commanders, Crises Bodyguard, and Farsight himself exchange the Supporting Fire special rule with the Rage and Furious Charge USRs.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/15 00:26:38
Subject: "Farsight - a codex Tau Empire supplement" - released, discussion starts pg 8
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Water-Caste Negotiator
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Slayer le boucher wrote:1 - FOC Changes: *If Farsight is included in your primary detachment, he must be your Warlord
*Crises Suits are now Troops choices
*Cannot take Ethereals (special character or normal) or Shadowsun, but Fireblades are now Elite choices and can be taken 1-3 per slot
2 - Special Issue Wargear (can choose from this list or the original Tau list, but not both):
*Seismic Fibrillator Node -- One use only. Reduces target unit's moving, running/flat out moves, assault moves, and jet pack/jet bike moves in the assault phase by 3".
*Fusion Blades -- User's close combat attacks become S8 AP1 Melta, Unwieldy
*Advanced Jump Accelerator -- Replace Battlesuit's Jetpack, granting it a 9" move in movement phase and 3D6" in the assault phase.
*High Yield Shield Generator -- Grants user a 3++ Invulnerable save
*Advanced Markerlight Pod -- Battlesuit gear that, if it hits, grants two markerlight hits (these can be used by the Battlesuit and his unit, like a networked markerlght)
*Advanced Railrifle -- Solid Shot: S8 AP1 Rapid Fire, 60" or Submunition: S4 AP4 Large Blast, 60"
*Integrated Defense Matrix Node -- One use only. All friendly Codex: Tau Empire units within 18" of the user may overwatch at full BS for a single turn
3 - Special Rules: *All units with the option to take Bonding Knife Ritual get the upgrade for free *Unconventional Doctrine -- All Crises Battlesuits, Tau Commanders, Crises Bodyguard, and Farsight himself exchange the Supporting Fire special rule with the Rage and Furious Charge USRs.
is this wishful thinking, or did you see this somewhere?
Inquiring Shas'la want to know!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/15 00:28:29
Subject: "Farsight - a codex Tau Empire supplement" - released, discussion starts pg 8
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The New Miss Macross!
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Slayer le boucher wrote:1 - FOC Changes: *If Farsight is included in your primary detachment, he must be your Warlord
*Crises Suits are now Troops choices
*Cannot take Ethereals (special character or normal) or Shadowsun, but Fireblades are now Elite choices and can be taken 1-3 per slot
2 - Special Issue Wargear (can choose from this list or the original Tau list, but not both):
*Seismic Fibrillator Node -- One use only. Reduces target unit's moving, running/flat out moves, assault moves, and jet pack/jet bike moves in the assault phase by 3".
*Fusion Blades -- User's close combat attacks become S8 AP1 Melta, Unwieldy
*Advanced Jump Accelerator -- Replace Battlesuit's Jetpack, granting it a 9" move in movement phase and 3D6" in the assault phase.
*High Yield Shield Generator -- Grants user a 3++ Invulnerable save
*Advanced Markerlight Pod -- Battlesuit gear that, if it hits, grants two markerlight hits (these can be used by the Battlesuit and his unit, like a networked markerlght)
*Advanced Railrifle -- Solid Shot: S8 AP1 Rapid Fire, 60" or Submunition: S4 AP4 Large Blast, 60"
*Integrated Defense Matrix Node -- One use only. All friendly Codex: Tau Empire units within 18" of the user may overwatch at full BS for a single turn
3 - Special Rules: *All units with the option to take Bonding Knife Ritual get the upgrade for free *Unconventional Doctrine -- All Crises Battlesuits, Tau Commanders, Crises Bodyguard, and Farsight himself exchange the Supporting Fire special rule with the Rage and Furious Charge USRs.
Interesting... it's definitely a mixed bag that shows the fire caste predominance fairly well with the loss of the touchy feely supporting fire replaced by more aggressive rules (albeit less useful for tau in general). It's a viable alternative and not just an everything-is-better supplement like with Iyanden. As thematic armies go, they actually did a pretty good job IMO although I would have preferred if they made the fusion blade a regular system and not a once-per-army option.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/15 00:31:11
Subject: "Farsight - a codex Tau Empire supplement" - released, discussion starts pg 8
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Khorne Chosen Marine Riding a Juggernaut
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Spanish forums, but i can't remember who showed to me first...
i had added the link but seems that i did something wrong.
Edited my initial post with the link.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/15 00:41:14
Subject: "Farsight - a codex Tau Empire supplement" - released, discussion starts pg 8
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Fireknife Shas'el
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That... That is silly. Equipment to overwatch at full BS, but suits of all flavor lose Support fire.
This is interesting though. If it's true it'll allow insane amounts of suit variation. Squads of Fusion blade and HYSG would be so fun to use.
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I'm expecting an Imperial Knights supplement dedicated to GW's loyalist apologetics. Codex: White Knights "In the grim dark future, everything is fine."
"The argument is that we have to do this or we will, bit by bit,
lose everything that we hold dear, everything that keeps the business going. Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/15 00:43:15
Subject: "Farsight - a codex Tau Empire supplement" - released, discussion starts pg 8
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Water-Caste Negotiator
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Slayer le boucher wrote:Spanish forums, but i can't remember who showed to me first...
i had added the link but seems that i did something wrong.
Edited my initial post with the link.
Thanks for the info!
I agree, it's a mixed bag and i'm glad, especially if all this info holds out.
I was hoping it would be an option, not a requirement for future lists to go farsight enclave. I still can't past judgement until the codex is in hand, but i'm pretty excited for the supplement. Enough to hold off from buying any more models until i see what i can work with.
Damn it GW....
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/15 00:45:41
Subject: Re:"Farsight - a codex Tau Empire supplement" - released, discussion starts pg 8
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Oh man, looks like GW has managed to snag my money again.....
Lucarikx
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/15 00:48:41
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Fireknife Shas'el
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Suits as troops, mobile CC units with 3++ and S8 AP1 attacks, and Rapid fire HRR. Now I really have to see this for myself. This sounds like there is no reason to use the regular codex.
I'll have to see the limitations. I know that most will be signature systems with rapid fire HRR probably on a SC broadside.
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I'm expecting an Imperial Knights supplement dedicated to GW's loyalist apologetics. Codex: White Knights "In the grim dark future, everything is fine."
"The argument is that we have to do this or we will, bit by bit,
lose everything that we hold dear, everything that keeps the business going. Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/15 00:59:39
Subject: "Farsight - a codex Tau Empire supplement" - released, discussion starts pg 8
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Don't think its for Whole units those wargear, but more like Signature systems.
of course you can then take a few of them in a Bodyguard units and stuff, but we still don't know if they are limited to 1 per detachement or not...
My gues would be that they are.
Dunno how it was in the Iyanden book, if it wasn't a one per army items( at least not all of them) then maybe it will be so with the Farsight book, but i really doubt it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/15 01:00:09
Subject: Re:"Farsight - a codex Tau Empire supplement" - released, discussion starts pg 8
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Shas'la with Pulse Carbine
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Hmm those all would be awesome, but seems a little OP! How would they have managed to get these rules since the physical copy isn't close being printed and the digital isn't out? Insider?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/15 01:00:11
Subject: Re:"Farsight - a codex Tau Empire supplement" - released, discussion starts pg 8
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Some of this are things I expected but some seem insane. Like the rapid fire Heavy rail rifle. If these pan out to be true I see a lot of Farsight lists being played.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/15 01:01:25
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Lethal Lhamean
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if thgose detials are accurate, i will for sure be picking this up asap. i love the idea of a suit themed list
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