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So the entire team must be taken?

You do not need Farsight .

When choosing a Farsight Enclaves army, you have access to a special unit called Farsight’s Commander Team. If you choose to take this unit, Commander Farsight does not allow you to take an XV8 Crisis Bodyguard Team as normal; he has the Commander Team instead. This special unit is an HQ choice that does not take of a Force Organisation slot and consists of up to seven other battlesuits chosen from the Eight. They must be equipped exactly as described; the Signature Systems rule above does not apply to them. They can take no other options. Each of the Commander Team models is Unique and has the Independent Character special rule.

But do you need farsight himself for it, or will any HQ (apart from the forbidden shadowsun and anuva) be enough and you can take them.

And given that, can they be the warlord? (assuming their LD equals or beats the standard HQ you took)


(I dont know what will be funnier, warlord riptide, or warlord broadside.
riptide got more potential, but broadside is outright funny)

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
So the entire team must be taken?

No, but you can't take one of them without taking a unit called "Farsight's Commander Team" which doesn't take up a slot. That selection can consist of just one model ("up to seven"). Farsight himself always takes up a slot, and can take a regular Bodyguard Team as normal /unless/ you take Farsight's Commander Team. Farsight does not appear to be required in order to take FCT.

So can I take one of them for my compulsary HQ choice?

Can anyone speak to the "Enforcer" battlesuit? What is the difference?

And it looks like one can be your Warlord. But you have to take a Cadre Fireblade or Darkstrider as your mandatory HQ choice in order to have the Riptide or Broadside be your Warlord.


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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
So can I take one of them for my compulsary HQ choice?

I don't see any allowance for this.

pantsonhead wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
So the entire team must be taken?

No, but you can't take one of them without taking a unit called "Farsight's Commander Team" which doesn't take up a slot. That selection can consist of just one model ("up to seven"). Farsight himself always takes up a slot, and can take a regular Bodyguard Team as normal /unless/ you take Farsight's Commander Team. Farsight does not appear to be required in order to take FCT.

You need Farsight - its why you can take up to 7 of the 8, rather than 8 of the 8, and also why it mentions you that selection replaces the bodyguard unit which is unlocked by farsight originally - though I agree the wording is abysmal and suggests you don't need him

Target wrote:

You need Farsight - its why you can take up to 7 of the 8, rather than 8 of the 8, and also why it mentions you that selection replaces the bodyguard unit which is unlocked by farsight originally - though I agree the wording is abysmal and suggests you don't need him

I thought this at first too, and maybe that's what's intended, but that's clearly not what it says. Taking the FCT means that Farsight can't take a Bodyguard Team. That's the only conflict. You can take the FCT in a list with a regular Commander who also takes a Bodyguard Team. And you can take Farsight with a Bodyguard Team as long as you don't take FCT.

Target wrote:

pantsonhead wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
So the entire team must be taken?

No, but you can't take one of them without taking a unit called "Farsight's Commander Team" which doesn't take up a slot. That selection can consist of just one model ("up to seven"). Farsight himself always takes up a slot, and can take a regular Bodyguard Team as normal /unless/ you take Farsight's Commander Team. Farsight does not appear to be required in order to take FCT.

You need Farsight - its why you can take up to 7 of the 8, rather than 8 of the 8, and also why it mentions you that selection replaces the bodyguard unit which is unlocked by farsight originally - though I agree the wording is abysmal and suggests you don't need him

Can't say I agree. Granted, I haven't seen the full wording yet but based on the screen shots provided you don't need Farsight to use the command team.

Target wrote:

pantsonhead wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
So the entire team must be taken?

No, but you can't take one of them without taking a unit called "Farsight's Commander Team" which doesn't take up a slot. That selection can consist of just one model ("up to seven"). Farsight himself always takes up a slot, and can take a regular Bodyguard Team as normal /unless/ you take Farsight's Commander Team. Farsight does not appear to be required in order to take FCT.

You need Farsight - its why you can take up to 7 of the 8, rather than 8 of the 8, and also why it mentions you that selection replaces the bodyguard unit which is unlocked by farsight originally - though I agree the wording is abysmal and suggests you don't need him

I keep re-reading it, and I can't actually find anything that states you need farsight himself for it.
He is one of the "command squad", but including him there are 8 on the list and you are told you can take "...up to seven battlesuits chosen from the eight ...", what leads me to believe that he is treated just like the others, and as such you can take farsight himself as part of the "command team", and as such he is outside the FoC (yet still hq), just looses the normal ability to bring 7 bodyguards.

Actually, nothing I see actually prevents you from getting farsight from the main codex, with his bodyguards, then a regular commander and the command team (including yet another farsight) from an allied detachment.

So they must be attached like a bodyguard team? Well that sucks, the riptide is only LD9 so no warlord for him

 Hulksmash wrote:

Target wrote:

pantsonhead wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
So the entire team must be taken?

No, but you can't take one of them without taking a unit called "Farsight's Commander Team" which doesn't take up a slot. That selection can consist of just one model ("up to seven"). Farsight himself always takes up a slot, and can take a regular Bodyguard Team as normal /unless/ you take Farsight's Commander Team. Farsight does not appear to be required in order to take FCT.

You need Farsight - its why you can take up to 7 of the 8, rather than 8 of the 8, and also why it mentions you that selection replaces the bodyguard unit which is unlocked by farsight originally - though I agree the wording is abysmal and suggests you don't need him

Can't say I agree. Granted, I haven't seen the full wording yet but based on the screen shots provided you don't need Farsight to use the command team.

That was my first read on it too - however I think the intent is that farsight is required, and wouldn't be surprised if the real copy of the book spelled it out (rather than the bootlegs we're all working from).

I'm avoiding wetting myself over one of my riptides finding a sense of self, because I fear it'll be dashed as of tomorrow.

Emmm, even a bodyguard team does not have to be attached.
And these guys are ALL IC's, meaning they can brake off and join squads as they wish

And even if the riptide can't be your warlord (still don't see why you cant take the "command team" and pick only him, and have strider fill your required HQ slot, and as both are Ld9 O'vesa can be warlord) there is still some uses for a riptide that can quite literally turn into a bullet sponge for any other unit.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
So they must be attached like a bodyguard team? Well that sucks, the riptide is only LD9 so no warlord for him

Bodyguard Teams don't have to be attached. And I don't think anything's stopping you from taking the Riptide as your Warlord as long as you make your compulsory HQ choice one of the codex's two Ld 9 options.

 BoomWolf wrote:
Emmm, even a bodyguard team does not have to be attached.
And these guys are ALL IC's, meaning they can brake off and join squads as they wish

And even if the riptide can't be your warlord (still don't see why you cant take the "command team" and pick only him, and have strider fill your required HQ slot, and as both are Ld9 O'vesa can be warlord) there is still some uses for a riptide that can quite literally turn into a bullet sponge for any other unit.

Yes, if legal I'll be putting O'vesa with her 2 shielded missile drones with 3 target lock broadsides, majority t6, and a riptide to tank wounds.

But I have to remain calm...must REMAIN CALMMM

No requirement to take farsight; but a second commander may take a bodyguard team regularly if irs wanted

What i'm interested in is the Fusion blades, what to they do, and if they can be taken by multiple Suits or only by one like other Sig systems.

Better yet, it is said Ovesa's special ability is that he can reroll his nova activation roll, meaning you got a fair chance it wont fail you even once all game long.
Now THAT'S sweet.

But I still wonder about the broadside IC, I REALLY want to know what he got. (Ob'lotai 9-0, what kind of name is that?!)


Also, fusion blades-if they are signature (and as such one character only), they are doomed to the same fate as the OG, CiB and AFP to be forgotten. weapons need to repeat.

 Slayer le boucher wrote:
What i'm interested in is the Fusion blades, what to they do, and if they can be taken by multiple Suits or only by one like other Sig systems.

Only one, and then no regular sig systems friom codex tau allowed. Also each turn roll a d6, on a one they break

I cant wait to try these shenanigans.

@Target

I just downloaded the Epub. There is no change in wording from what we've seen so far.

Oh and this:

ALLIES

In addition to following the Allies Matrix for Codex: Tau Empire, Farsight Enclaves detachments and Codex: Tau Empire detachments may ally together as Battle Brothers

Weird, commander bravestorm is ina riptide suit, but has T5

 davou wrote:
Weird, commander bravestorm is ina riptide suit, but has T5

He is in Iridium suit I thought.

Nooe, JP monstrous creature in riptide suit

Epub or Ibook? Ibook shows Iridium battlesuit.

Unless "bravestorm" and "O'vesa" are the same guy, then "bravestorm" is NOT in a riptide suit. (tough iridium makes me happy, can anyone confirm iridium is still a choice for a custom commander in a farsight force?)

Epub, looks likenancopy/paste error..... I ain't complaining , us non apple users get a much better version :p

Epub has an error. Bravestorm has the Ovesa entry copied into it.

Oh, and this isn't nearly as broken as the basic tau book. It's got some decent stuff but you'll probably see it more as allies than stand alone.

 davou wrote:
Nooe, JP monstrous creature in riptide suit

There seems to be a few errors in the ePub file. Check my post at http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/390/537029.page#5863752