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Rather than the same boring old "Imperium vs Modern Earth" threads, we instead get two thousand ships filled with angry Orks. The Orks for some reason won't use orbital bombardment (dropping roks is fine though, but nothing bigger than the megaton range for rok droppage that isn't meant to be a transport), but are deploying all across the world in search of 'umies to kill. Gork and Mork have told Gazghkull and his countless orks to kill every last human on earth, every man, woman, and child. We simply have to kill all the orks and settle into a society that can handle the sporing.

Assume an initial attack force of one billion orks, ten billion gretchin, and assorted vehicles, squigs, and whatnot. All attacking every nation on Earth.

Bonus round: All nuclear weapons are destroyed by roks, but earth is assisted by 1970s era earth. How? The Orks believed in more humies hard enough.

Begin.

We're fethed.

Orks would cream us.

Hum, yeah, well... with the SM vs Current World I could make some arguments... in this situation only one fact exists:

We would be completely frakked

Everyone get out your flamethrowrs and have the kids get out there supersokers filled with something flamable and lets light it up.

 Kain wrote:
Rather than the same boring old "Imperium vs Modern Earth" threads...

I know, right?

we instead get two thousand ships filled with angry Orks.

What kind of ships? How many Orks per ship? Do they bring anything other than boyz and a boss?

The Orks for some reason won't use orbital bombardment

Thank God.

but are deploying all across the world in search of 'umies to kill.

Where? Each continent? Or specific locations like major cities?

We simply have to kill all the orks and settle into a society that can handle the sporing.

One does not simply stem a tide of violent green gorillas wielding axes and magic guns and then create a coherent, unified population of humans who burn fields all day.

Unless we could fabricate some kind of biological plague it's more than likely we'd be doomed.

We could use cyanide gas. It worked in Xenology.

It might work but then we have the spores...

 DeffDred wrote:

 Kain wrote:
Rather than the same boring old "Imperium vs Modern Earth" threads...

I know, right?

we instead get two thousand ships filled with angry Orks.

What kind of ships? How many Orks per ship? Do they bring anything other than boyz and a boss?

The Orks for some reason won't use orbital bombardment

Thank God.

but are deploying all across the world in search of 'umies to kill.

Where? Each continent? Or specific locations like major cities?

We simply have to kill all the orks and settle into a society that can handle the sporing.

One does not simply stem a tide of violent green gorillas wielding axes and magic guns and then create a coherent, unified population of humans who burn fields all day.

This is the forces deployed during the third war of Armageddon.

We're getting attacked by Gazghkull's biggest waaagh.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Third_War_for_Armageddon#Early_Invasion

I know I know we get them to live on are moon by offering them unlimmited enemys to kill in the form of World Of Warcarft they could just all make orc characters that way we wont have to fight them in real life.

We won't win, but we won't lose either. Nuke the planet from orbit.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
We won't win, but we won't lose either. Nuke the planet from orbit.

That counts as us not winning but neither do they. We still lose in that situation...

I don't think we have the logistics to fight a global war on this scale any more, certainly not for the length of time that things are likely to last. We also lack the troop concentrations and strongpoints to really control our "home nations".

Ironically most of the Middle East would probably be safer than the West. Though our troops overseas would quickly run into supply problems as the war progressed.

Without any numbers to really go by it's impossible to really know.

That said, I imagine nuclear weapons being brought to bear against the Ork landing zones coming into play would put a crimp in any such invasion quite quickly once its nature is discovered, regardless of the ecological and collateral damage. 40k usually avoids these sorts of things because they quickly shut down the narrative paradigm of the universe.

 Vaktathi wrote:
Without any numbers to really go by it's impossible to really know.

That said, I imagine nuclear weapons being brought to bear against the Ork landing zones coming into play would put a crimp in any such invasion quite quickly once its nature is discovered, regardless of the ecological and collateral damage. 40k usually avoids these sorts of things because they quickly shut down the narrative paradigm of the universe.

Assuming an average of 500,000 orks per ship (roughly similar to imperial transport capacity and averaging out big and small ships) we get an invasion force of about a billion angry soldiers attacking every continent and country at once.

I think we would do alright actually.

Guardsmen are hardly fitted with much better equipment than our current soldiers.

Our biggest advantage is that we would be free to use whatever tactics we like. The Imperium 38,000+ years from now is tied to religious doctrine and ceremony that prevent them from using all at their disposal. We don't need to spend 2 hours praying to a tank's machine spirit before we start fixing it.

I think we'd have a shot.

 gossipmeng wrote:
I think we would do alright actually.

Guardsmen are hardly fitted with much better equipment than our current soldiers.

Our biggest advantage is that we would be free to use whatever tactics we like. The Imperium 38,000+ years from now is tied to religious doctrine and ceremony that prevent them from using all at their disposal. We don't need to spend 2 hours praying to a tank's machine spirit before we start fixing it.

I think we'd have a shot.

Well, there's one ork for every seven humans, and currently we have about 20 million men and women at arms. We'll need to arm up and fast. I mean, even if you spread out all the guns in the world, the Orks would still have more combatants by a massive margin.

Even if we survive, I'd think civilization as we know it would completely collapse under such an apocalyptic invasion as the Orks would butcher billions, destroy or loot most of our infrastructure and level most cities on earth.

But we might just survive in some capacity after deciding "feth everything" and nuking our planet relentlessly. We may be cut down to under one million people, but if there are no orks left, we still win.

Once you take the whole 1ork to 7humans ratio, and factor in those too young or old to fight, as well as the number of people who are so unfit they simply could not fight, I don't know we'd have much better than 4:1 humansrks odds with very few formally trained. It'd be a world wide PDF against whatever orks were in the area, no contest, orks have us unless we throw every nuke the world has in, in which case we screw the planet sufficiently that we still don't actually win. And that's assuming nuclear capacity is effective enough to stem the orks.

PS: The Posleen War saga by John Ringo is a good example of some real thought put behind intergalactic war if we were suddenly thrust into the scene. Part of the premise is our technology being boosted, however, so it's not an exact match to this sort of situation.

 Kain wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
Without any numbers to really go by it's impossible to really know.

That said, I imagine nuclear weapons being brought to bear against the Ork landing zones coming into play would put a crimp in any such invasion quite quickly once its nature is discovered, regardless of the ecological and collateral damage. 40k usually avoids these sorts of things because they quickly shut down the narrative paradigm of the universe.

Assuming an average of 500,000 orks per ship (roughly similar to imperial transport capacity and averaging out big and small ships) we get an invasion force of about a billion angry soldiers attacking every continent and country at once.

Well, to be fair, we could wipe that out fairly quickly if we're willing to accept the consequences of nuclear warfare.



That said, as in the other thread, 40k is a fantasy universe, not a scifi universe, We may get a billion orks landing on earth, but they'd have no idea where to attack, what to attack (other than large population centers) who to attack, and no logistical network to feed themselves (living off the land doesn't work for large invasions) or resupply their weapons.


I'm sure they'd kill huge numbers of people, but ultimately their landing areas can be annihilated, their coordination and offensive abilities are largely "run at the largest group of people you can see and smack em", in all likelyhood they'd be quickly cut off from any sort of supply, encircled and destroyed in relatively short order. Yeah it'd be bloody and brutal, but ultimately I don't really think the Orks would win.

500,000 Orks per ship? That's what, a billion Orks? We're screwed. Even if we managed to kill every last one of the original invasion, the world would be completely coated in orky spores and building up new groups of them all the time.

They win, even on a 1:1 ratio, or a lot less of them.

/thread

If we were willing to nuke them it might go the other way...

If we hit the Orks fast and early, then we could have a chance at winning. The worst case scenario is that they manage to get themselves established.

 purplefood wrote:
If we were willing to nuke them it might go the other way...

I think the initial assault would be too fast and widespread to give us a chance to form any effective plan of fighting back, much less coordinate something like nuclear weapons.

We get wiped no contest. Most of our conventional weapons wouldn't even hurt an ork. Nukes would kill a lot of orks but not all. We'd have no chance against any 40k race because they're, you know, sci fi monstrous aliens/daemons/post humans with incredibly advanced technology who practice warfare constantly.

 SilverMK2 wrote:

 purplefood wrote:
If we were willing to nuke them it might go the other way...

I think the initial assault would be too fast and widespread to give us a chance to form any effective plan of fighting back, much less coordinate something like nuclear weapons.

Nuclear weapons can be targeted, launched, and arrive at a target on the other side of the planet in less than 45 minutes. We are so good at this it should really be terrifying.

 jamin484 wrote:
We get wiped no contest. Most of our conventional weapons wouldn't even hurt an ork.

So all those lasguns that kills orks...that are directly equivalent to assault rifles...aren't conventional weapons? Both tabletop and fluff, conventional weapons kill Orks just fine.

 Vaktathi wrote:

 SilverMK2 wrote:

 purplefood wrote:
If we were willing to nuke them it might go the other way...

I think the initial assault would be too fast and widespread to give us a chance to form any effective plan of fighting back, much less coordinate something like nuclear weapons.

Nuclear weapons can be targeted, launched, and arrive at a target on the other side of the planet in less than 45 minutes. We are so good at this it should really be terrifying.

 jamin484 wrote:
We get wiped no contest. Most of our conventional weapons wouldn't even hurt an ork.

So all those lasguns that kills orks...that are directly equivalent to assault rifles...aren't conventional weapons? Both tabletop and fluff, conventional weapons kill Orks just fine.

Given that Lasguns can blow off limbs, I'd put them above assault rifles in raw kinetic energy, so your average ork would only really be annoyed by an infantry man with his rifle and blow him apart with his .50 cal equivalent shoota. Of course, in modern war Riflemen only account for %5 of the casualties despite making up over %50 of most armies.

Their gargants, killa kans, enormously enraged orks and warbosses would stomp the living hell out of modern earth. We would be flattened very, very quickly.

Conventional weapons... like hunting rifles that this country is full of? Yes, I think soft tip moose rounds in .308 are quite sufficient to take down an ork. Armor? Every country that worried about the Red Army is full of anti-tank weapons, starting with LAW rockets and 10 kg AT mines.