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I want to know if there are any who remember the Fall or even pre-Fall times.
Exodite and Dark ones also count.

I'm pretty sure it's Vect I don't have the 5th edition codex on me at the moment but iirc he was born after the fall and is 3k ish years old. The old codex had him at over 10,000 years old and born pre-fall but I think that's no longer true. Also Eldrad was around during the Horus heresy putting him at over 10k years old but he was killed in the 13th Black Crusade I believe.

Yep, has to be Vect?

Is Eldrad dead? Nothing in the new codex.

Asurmen - Was king who led his people out to a planet not long after the fall, so it's likely he was alive at that time.

Other contenders (non Phoenix Lord)

Eldrad (if he counts as living, the latest codex doesn't refer to his demise in any way)

Vect - apparently but this is only on his own words. We know only became 'big' later

It'll be one of the Phoenix Lords...*probably* Asurmen...as there is fluff in the new Codex that puts their shrines either just before or just after the Fall.

Note that that may very well include Drazhar, if he is really Arhra.

 Super Ready wrote:
It'll be one of the Phoenix Lords...*probably* Asurmen...as there is fluff in the new Codex that puts their shrines either just before or just after the Fall.

Note that that may very well include Drazhar, if he is really Arhra.

Yeah, Asurmen was the founder and taught the others which probably includes Arhra which makes it likely that he is older than Arhra.

We know Karandras is younger than Arhra, but still old enough to be around at the time of the fall (he was a kid/teen/young guy trying to protect some kids from crazy eldar on one of the homeworlds when Arhra saved him, from his memories).

Jain Zar was one of Asurmen's first pupils, so she was quite old but could have been a young lady at the time.

 Farseer Petriel wrote:
I want to know if there are any who remember the Fall or even pre-Fall times.
Exodite and Dark ones also count.

so who is the oldest Craft World Eldar?





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 shamikebab wrote:
Yep, has to be Vect?

Is Eldrad dead? Nothing in the new codex.

the new codex says that DE can feed on pain/souls of others to become completely immortal so long as they keep feeding. I would imagine a lot of them are pre fall. Vect is certainly old, but i never got that he was def the oldest dark eldar.

Nothing says Vecht is the oldest. It's just that out of all named characters that we the Warhammer readers know about, Vecht is confirmed the oldest so far. Of course, there could be many unnamed Dark Eldar who are older than him. Vect never said he was the oldest. His tale just happens to harken the farthest back of all known Eldar characters that we the readers know about.

(this is assuming Vecht is telling the truth for his story, of course. If he isn't then all bets are off regarding if he's that old or not)

If having your soul stuck in a suit of armor with a whole bunch of Autarch souls that have worn that armor counts as being alive, I guess the Phoenix Lords would count.

If Drazhar is Arhra, he's likely the original. So he would still be physically alive.

Asdrubael Vect was born as a slave in Commorragh but, as far as we know from the new Codex, this city was built in the Webway long before the Fall. So he may be over 10000 years old or may not. It's an ambiguous fact like mind control used by Tau Ethereals or a Primarch in Trazyn's collection.

I think Phoenix Lords can't be considered the oldest Eldar because their true bodies can be (we don't know exactly how many persons were Asurmen or Fuegan or Baharroth etc.) dead for a long time. It's something like piloting wraith constructions via soulstones.

It's interesting for me whether Eldrad had witnessed the Fall but GW didn't tell about him before he tried to warn Fulgrim.

 Farseer Petriel wrote:
Asdrubael Vect was born as a slave in Commorragh but, as far as we know from the new Codex, this city was built in the Webway long before the Fall. So he may be over 10000 years old or may not. It's an ambiguous fact like mind control used by Tau Ethereals or a Primarch in Trazyn's collection.

The main source for Vecht's age isn't the new codex or the fact that Commaragh was built before the fall. It's from Vecht himself. One of the short stories has him revealing his origins to a captive for the sake of entertainment, where he actually witnessed the fall.

Of course, this is a story by Vecht himself, and he could be lying. Hence why everyone who mentions it always (or should always) disclaims "Assuming Vecht is telling the truth", etc.

Pretty sure it is Vect. See a torturers tale ( If you find it please post link, I've been looking for last 10 minutes) It says Vect was a child when the fall happened, that would put him at the oldest eldar we know of unless the eldar codex has new fluff. I'm not classing Phoenix lords as living, but rather as sentient. They are an amalgamation of souls and are more daemon that is possessing a suit of armour then a living being, for they need so food or drink or poop ( can't take off armour ^-^) so they don't fulfil the 7 life processes I learnt in biology today

Both Craftworld Eldar and Dark Eldar have ways to make people immortal.
Eldar have soul stones that can store the soul for some time, to be put into the craftworlds infinity circuit or attached to some wraith construct.
Dark Eldar have some form of cloning, with means to recover the soul/character for the new body not detailed AFAIK.

So many Eldar and Dark Eldar can die many times before being really dead. As webway and craftworlds existed before the fall, there is always room for a very old unknown Eldar living there for ages undetected.

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
Pretty sure it is Vect. See a torturers tale ( If you find it please post link, I've been looking for last 10 minutes) It says Vect was a child when the fall happened, that would put him at the oldest eldar we know of unless the eldar codex has new fluff. I'm not classing Phoenix lords as living, but rather as sentient. They are an amalgamation of souls and are more daemon that is possessing a suit of armour then a living being, for they need so food or drink or poop ( can't take off armour ^-^) so they don't fulfil the 7 life processes I learnt in biology today

Here you go http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1520304a_TheTorturersTale.pdf

In the DE codex it mentions of that some of the oldest actions are pre fall, possibly...

Pg 34 - lords of twilight -some of them claim to have seized their thrones before the fall.

Eldrad is the only single character I've seen listed as pre-fall in fiction. There are Archons that 'claim' to be pre-fall, but that is a claim and not based on story or fiction.

My vote is Eldrad, but if he could have lived that long...any Eldar/Dark Eldar/Exodite could possibly be older.

 Farseer Faenyin wrote:
Eldrad is the only single character I've seen listed as pre-fall in fiction. There are Archons that 'claim' to be pre-fall, but that is a claim and not based on story or fiction.

My vote is Eldrad, but if he could have lived that long...any Eldar/Dark Eldar/Exodite could possibly be older.

or harliquin

Eldards runes on his armour wont let him die until the eldar race is extinct and it says in the new codex he has been leading ulthwe since the fall. He would be my number one choice but if not him then it could well be Vect, although nothing is ever metioned about his age, only that he used to be a slave who worked his way to the top. If he was a slave its unlikely he was old enough to have been around during the fall. But who knows?

Well, as of the new codex Eldrad seems to have been retconn'd to be alive, so that places him near the top. But if Vect is telling the truth, and from the Dark Eldar Path books he seems to have most of the powerful archons convinced he is about that, which says something, then that would make him the oldest. I also wouldn't really count Phoenix Lords since they aren't really just one person, more an amalgam of souls bound under one consciousness. Also in regards to Drazhar and Arha

could be that really old harlequin guy thought. I cont remember what his name is

Really enjoyed that torturer's tale about Vect. However its relation to the current codex has some issues. "His milk white skin bears not a single scar" (dark eldar codex pg 55). Where as in the story the pay off at the end is the scar on his throat. So the real question is what holds up as canon if gw continues to change things.

And as others have mentioned eldrad basically died in the 13th black crusade... only that is no longer mentioned in the newest codex.

But I would say oldest named character then would be vect or eldrad, and if not them most likely an unnamed archon.

 MandalorynOranj wrote:
Well, as of the new codex Eldrad seems to have been retconn'd to be alive, so that places him near the top.

Eldrad's death simply isn't mentioned but even if he died, he did that in 999.M41, during the 13th Black Crusade. I heard that GW are planning to rewrite the Crusade's history but I don't know if this is true.