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2013/08/07 06:55:21
Subject: TYRANIDS ~ Let's take a trip down memory lane and look to the future with hope!
ductvader wrote: It could also deepstrike and kill a giant mob of infantry in a turn..a Harpy can usually make its points back in a turn as long as it has a target...the only thing killing its effectiveness nowadays is interceptor.
How many people ran giant mobs of infantry in 5th? Tyranids and Orks? My memories of 5th involve lots of parking lots and razorback spam.
Ailaros wrote: You know what really bugs me? When my opponent, before they show up at the FLGS smears themselves in peanut butter and then makes blood sacrifices to Ashterai by slitting the throat of three male chickens and then smears the spatter pattern into the peanut butter to engrave sacred symbols into their chest and upper arms.
I have a peanut allergy. It's really inconsiderate.
"Long ago in a distant land, I, M'kar, the shape-shifting Master of Chaos, unleashed an unspeakable evil! But a foolish Grey Knight warrior wielding a magic sword stepped forth to oppose me. Before the final blow was struck, I tore open a portal in space and flung him into the Warp, where my evil is law! Now the fool seeks to return to real-space, and undo the evil that is Chaos!"
2013/08/07 11:34:43
Subject: TYRANIDS ~ Let's take a trip down memory lane and look to the future with hope!
ductvader wrote: It could also deepstrike and kill a giant mob of infantry in a turn..a Harpy can usually make its points back in a turn as long as it has a target...the only thing killing its effectiveness nowadays is interceptor.
How many people ran giant mobs of infantry in 5th? Tyranids and Orks? My memories of 5th involve lots of parking lots and razorback spam.
If anybody following this thread gets a chance to see how the new Malanthrope broods have changed from their iteration in IA:Apoc 2nd ed, I'd love to hear a rundown of the differences.
As to the harpy conversation, I made 2 out of a trygon body, forgeworld hive tyrant wings, and hierodule bio-cannons. They ended up looking really good, but i eventually sold them on eBay because they never performed well in games due to the T5, 4+ save being so easy to kill.
Been out of the game for awhile, trying to find time to get back into it.
2013/08/07 15:07:33
Subject: TYRANIDS ~ Let's take a trip down memory lane and look to the future with hope!
On the size debate again. I feel the harpy should be about the size of a tyrant but not as bulky. The picture in the codex would lead one to think it's huge since the gargoyles flying around it look like finches compared to him but that's getting way too large IMO. I was thinking of using an old Fell beast from LOTR and giving it a bulked up warrior head and other tryranid bits. Gives it a good skinny look
When GW shop comes out with the arpy model (and i really think it will) I think we'll see something slightly smaller then a tyrant
Slash, Gash, Gnash, and Smash! That's the Tyranid way
Hive fleet Sigma
2013/08/07 15:15:22
Subject: TYRANIDS ~ Let's take a trip down memory lane and look to the future with hope!
I wonder if the inevitable dual kit, one for a fighter harpy and one for a bomber, will be two distinct units or just builds for the same one.
Midnightdeathblade wrote: Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
2013/08/07 15:26:47
Subject: TYRANIDS ~ Let's take a trip down memory lane and look to the future with hope!
Kain wrote: I wonder if the inevitable dual kit, one for a fighter harpy and one for a bomber, will be two distinct units or just builds for the same one.
I think that the Harpy will stay one creature...the loadout might just change...like decided to buy the spore mine bombs...or go CC or shooty
Kain wrote: I wonder if the inevitable dual kit, one for a fighter harpy and one for a bomber, will be two distinct units or just builds for the same one.
I think that the Harpy will stay one creature...the loadout might just change...like decided to buy the spore mine bombs...or go CC or shooty
Can anyone say "Harpy with bone sabers"?
But seriously they need to make him have the ability to just go to town CC wise on both ground and air units. Rending should be a must to help with stubborn vehicle armour
Slash, Gash, Gnash, and Smash! That's the Tyranid way
Hive fleet Sigma
2013/08/07 15:41:07
Subject: TYRANIDS ~ Let's take a trip down memory lane and look to the future with hope!
Tyran wrote: I have heard rumors of a new anti-air FMC.
I believe the rumored name for it is Hydra, and it is supposed to be an AA version of the Harpy.
...But the IG already have a Hydra.
Midnightdeathblade wrote: Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
2013/08/07 16:01:55
Subject: TYRANIDS ~ Let's take a trip down memory lane and look to the future with hope!
Tyran wrote: I have heard rumors of a new anti-air FMC.
I believe the rumored name for it is Hydra, and it is supposed to be an AA version of the Harpy.
...But the IG already have a Hydra.
They are 2 Pathfinders in the game (Tau and Eldar).
And its only rumored and even if its true, they can change the name.
Or even just name it "Tyranid Hydra"
2013/08/07 16:06:36
Subject: TYRANIDS ~ Let's take a trip down memory lane and look to the future with hope!
I've always been partial to Zephyr for an AA Harpy. I made rules for it but it wasn't received especially well.
The Harpy model that I made I felt was just about the right size:
Spoiler:
That was a WIP picture, I've since magnetized his open slot to be able to attach a Stranglethorn Cannon.
I've used him a couple times with pretty good success. He works really well in tandem with a Flyrant. I actually plan on making one more for some extra target saturation. Definitely not a super competitive list, but a 600 point ball of FMC that can absolutely annihilate infantry is pretty nice.
Don't forget to pray that Phil Kelly will write it.And not Mat- Blam!Heresy!
Kote!
Kandosii sa ka'rte, vode an.
Coruscanta a'den mhi, vode an.
Bal kote,Darasuum kote,
Jorso'ran kando a tome.
Sa kyr'am nau tracyn kad vode an.
Bal...
Motir ca'tra nau tracinya.
Gra'tua cuun hett su dralshy'a.
Aruetyc talyc runi'la trattok'a.
Sa kyr'am nau tracyn kad, vode an!
2013/08/07 16:32:47
Subject: TYRANIDS ~ Let's take a trip down memory lane and look to the future with hope!
ductvader wrote: I would definitely be okay with Cruddace again.
Just so long as Cruddace has someone stopping him every now and again checking his work. He does okay but he seems like he shows no passion for armies he doesn't like and what you end up with is something very uninspired. His work with the new chaos daemons was okay and i think that was because he was working with Kelly
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Slash, Gash, Gnash, and Smash! That's the Tyranid way
Hive fleet Sigma
2013/08/07 16:42:12
Subject: Re:TYRANIDS ~ Let's take a trip down memory lane and look to the future with hope!
Da krimson barun wrote: Don't forget to pray that Phil Kelly will write it.And not Mat- Blam!Heresy!
Ward wouldn't be bad for the Nids, he gives cool (although usually OP) rules. And in his fluff he seems to have the Nids in a high place as the ultimate enemy of the other races, like the Silent King saying "guys we are fethed, Nids everywhere".
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2013/08/07 16:47:38
Subject: Re:TYRANIDS ~ Let's take a trip down memory lane and look to the future with hope!
Da krimson barun wrote: Don't forget to pray that Phil Kelly will write it.And not Mat- Blam!Heresy!
Ward wouldn't be bad for the Nids, he gives cool (although usually OP) rules. And in his fluff he seems to have the Nids in a high place as the ultimate enemy of the other races, like the Silent King saying "guys we are fethed, Nids everywhere".
While Cruddace writes stories in the Tyranids Codex about how they get out adapted by Tau. Think it's clear to see who to go with
Slash, Gash, Gnash, and Smash! That's the Tyranid way
Hive fleet Sigma
2013/08/07 17:24:16
Subject: TYRANIDS ~ Let's take a trip down memory lane and look to the future with hope!
Codices should have Kelly for Fluff, Ward for rules (both checking each other's work), Vetock as a tiebreaker and second opinion, and Cruddace on a medieval torture device screaming his penance.
Midnightdeathblade wrote: Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
2013/08/08 02:52:13
Subject: Re:TYRANIDS ~ Let's take a trip down memory lane and look to the future with hope!
Tyran wrote: I have heard rumors of a new anti-air FMC.
I believe the rumored name for it is Hydra, and it is supposed to be an AA version of the Harpy.
...But the IG already have a Hydra.
They are 2 Pathfinders in the game (Tau and Eldar).
That's nothing, there are at least 4 Warriors (Tyranid, Necron, Fire, Kabalite).
Ailaros wrote: You know what really bugs me? When my opponent, before they show up at the FLGS smears themselves in peanut butter and then makes blood sacrifices to Ashterai by slitting the throat of three male chickens and then smears the spatter pattern into the peanut butter to engrave sacred symbols into their chest and upper arms.
I have a peanut allergy. It's really inconsiderate.
"Long ago in a distant land, I, M'kar, the shape-shifting Master of Chaos, unleashed an unspeakable evil! But a foolish Grey Knight warrior wielding a magic sword stepped forth to oppose me. Before the final blow was struck, I tore open a portal in space and flung him into the Warp, where my evil is law! Now the fool seeks to return to real-space, and undo the evil that is Chaos!"
2013/08/08 03:53:06
Subject: TYRANIDS ~ Let's take a trip down memory lane and look to the future with hope!
Kain wrote: Codices should have Kelly for Fluff, Ward for rules (both checking each other's work), Vetock as a tiebreaker and second opinion, and Cruddace on a medieval torture device screaming his penance.
This pretty much sums up the studio writers.
Kelly and Ward are the best at writing rules. Kelly writes better fluffy rules while Ward writes better rules in general for a more varied book. Vetock does a good enough job but tends to put too many special rules in. All three tend to have a passion for the game that really shows in the book - just make whoever is most passionate about the army the lead writer. Those 3 collaborating on each book would make for somefun times.
Cruddace just doesn't seem to love 40k. He basically phones his books in. He does a bit better in Fantasy, which would be a better place to leave him.
2013/08/08 05:53:19
Subject: TYRANIDS ~ Let's take a trip down memory lane and look to the future with hope!
Kain wrote: Codices should have Kelly for Fluff, Ward for rules (both checking each other's work), Vetock as a tiebreaker and second opinion, and Cruddace on a medieval torture device screaming his penance.
This pretty much sums up the studio writers.
Kelly and Ward are the best at writing rules. Kelly writes better fluffy rules while Ward writes better rules in general for a more varied book. Vetock does a good enough job but tends to put too many special rules in. All three tend to have a passion for the game that really shows in the book - just make whoever is most passionate about the army the lead writer. Those 3 collaborating on each book would make for somefun times.
Cruddace just doesn't seem to love 40k. He basically phones his books in. He does a bit better in Fantasy, which would be a better place to leave him.
You do realise that all these people do very little of the writing themselves, and are just project managers for the books.
I think in the end no matter who writes it there will be changes for the better because when comparing this edition to the last there's pros and cons for both and GW should be able to make an educated guess on what the fans of Tyranids want and what the army needs
Slash, Gash, Gnash, and Smash! That's the Tyranid way
Hive fleet Sigma
2013/08/09 20:46:34
Subject: TYRANIDS ~ Let's take a trip down memory lane and look to the future with hope!
I personally think orks need more fixins than nids.. Only problem i see and have with nids is getting your big ones to the other side quite safely... Yeah spore them... Disembark and watch em get shot to death or near death before you get a chance to charge...
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2013/08/10 09:59:17
Subject: TYRANIDS ~ Let's take a trip down memory lane and look to the future with hope!
Waaghboss Grobnub wrote: I personally think orks need more fixins than nids.. Only problem i see and have with nids is getting your big ones to the other side quite safely... Yeah spore them... Disembark and watch em get shot to death or near death before you get a chance to charge...
The problem with Tyranids is the terrible internal balance in a codex filled with unique options that no one takes because they either don't do what they're supposed to do or are way too overpriced for what they can do. But I do agree that Orks need a new codex just as badly, at least Tyranids have 1 build that does well in tournaments, I don't think I've seen Orks in the top tables as anything other than an allies detachment.
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Ailaros wrote: You know what really bugs me? When my opponent, before they show up at the FLGS smears themselves in peanut butter and then makes blood sacrifices to Ashterai by slitting the throat of three male chickens and then smears the spatter pattern into the peanut butter to engrave sacred symbols into their chest and upper arms.
I have a peanut allergy. It's really inconsiderate.
"Long ago in a distant land, I, M'kar, the shape-shifting Master of Chaos, unleashed an unspeakable evil! But a foolish Grey Knight warrior wielding a magic sword stepped forth to oppose me. Before the final blow was struck, I tore open a portal in space and flung him into the Warp, where my evil is law! Now the fool seeks to return to real-space, and undo the evil that is Chaos!"
2013/08/11 13:40:55
Subject: TYRANIDS ~ Let's take a trip down memory lane and look to the future with hope!
Oh yeah, watching an entire brood of Genestealers successfully outflank right next to a squad of Grey Knight Paladins and then immediately get shot to death before they can do anything is just lovely.
What is even the point in outflanking and infiltrating if you can't charge after? All it does is kill the usefulness of melee units, while shooting units have a grand old time of it. Shooting units that the Tyranids don't have!
According to faeit 212 a birdy dropped that nids are due for release in November. Remember it here, I was chanting NIDS IN NOVEMBER first. If it happens it'll be a lucky guess, but awesome anyway.
Been out of the game for awhile, trying to find time to get back into it.
2013/08/12 17:10:18
Subject: TYRANIDS ~ Let's take a trip down memory lane and look to the future with hope!
Frozen Ocean wrote: Oh yeah, watching an entire brood of Genestealers successfully outflank right next to a squad of Grey Knight Paladins and then immediately get shot to death before they can do anything is just lovely.
What is even the point in outflanking and infiltrating if you can't charge after? All it does is kill the usefulness of melee units, while shooting units have a grand old time of it. Shooting units that the Tyranids don't have!
One of the big changes we need to see. If they don't want to make it an army wide rule at least give it to some major units that need to assaultt after coming on the board i.e. genestealers and lictors. Ymgarls can do it! why not other things
Or even having it as an upgrade (though i like this less and it would have to be cheap if they did) that different units can purchase. Just something to get the genestealers, one of the most iconic Tyranid creatures, back on the board!
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