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 His Master's Voice wrote:
So what's the pre-order date for this release? I need two Carnosaurs.

Actually, maybe three - one wyvern, one dragon, one carnosaur.

Looks like 27/07 for preorders - Looks like I also need more dinosaurs :(

I think my lizards will come back to the field with this release.

Think i prefer the trog to the carnosaur. like the bastil, wanna see rules for the variants.

Also interested in how slaan disciplines now work as the bat rep mentioned becalming cogitation.

hopefully the slaan won't get raped too badly.

Ok after seeing some clearer pics I am taking back my comment about the Bastilodon, my problem was the head and now that I can see it in better detail it's actually a pretty decent model.

I absolutly love the Troglodon especially now that I've seen it's head at another angle but I'm still not sure about the Carnosaur. To me it looks like the Thanator from Avatar and with the length of its forearms it looks like it would be a quadraped instead of the bipedal predator that the current fluff (and every bit of artwork) portrays it as, I wish they would have just gone back to the original sculpt and tweaked it to work better as a plastic miniature. I'm also not a fan of the head so I may just try putting the old Carnosaur head on the model and see if that improves it as right now it looks more like this


than this


I'm really not a fan of the underbite birds or the tweezer heads. To me it seems like every time GW tries to make a new Terradon model they just get uglier and uglier, I wish they would have done something more like these.


And I'm still sad we didn't get one of these


Or these


Or something like this

I'm not sad about missing any of those -- especially the hybrid (what to call it? Skinknight? and isn't that rejected concept art from a failed Jurassic Park sequel?) and the T-Rex. Don't get me wrong, I think the T-Rex is a fascinating and awesome-looking animal. But I prefer things a little more fantastical in my fantasy.

The Hybrid is scrapped concept art for a Jurassic Park movie. The T-rex is a comparison for what the Carnosaur should look like versus what it does look like.

I flicked through the WD today. The models are really cool imho. Lizardmen now have the most consistent modelline in WH Fantasy imho. Luckily I don´t have the money as otherwise I´d start collecting them. I especially like the Teradons. Very characterful models.

 Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:
The T-rex is a comparison for what the Carnosaur should look like versus what it does look like.

Yeah, that's where we disagree. Even the old Carnosaur does not look like a T-Rex.

 Manchu wrote:

 Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:
The T-rex is a comparison for what the Carnosaur should look like versus what it does look like.

Yeah, that's where we disagree. Even the old Carnosaur does not look like a T-Rex.

Never said it looked like a t-rex, I said that it should look more like a T-rex (or for that matter any Theropod) then it currently does. It should have a blockier more powerfull head and at least slightly smaller fore limbs as that is closer to the description that the Carnosaur has always had versus it's current appearance which is closer to the first picture I posted. I could change the picture to be that of a carnosaur, allosaur, albertosaur, charcarodontosaur, gigantosaur or any number of Theropods and my point would still be the same.

 Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:

Never said it looked like a t-rex, I said that it should look more like a T-rex (or for that matter any Theropod) then it currently does. It should have a blockier more powerfull head and at least slightly smaller fore limbs as that is closer to the description that the Carnosaur has always had versus it's current appearance which is closer to the first picture I posted. I could change the picture to be that of a carnosaur, allosaur, albertosaur, charcarodontosaur, gigantosaur or any number of Theropods and my point would still be the same.

I really have to agree with this, it is the front arms that are a bit wrong really. The head too, which is surprising seen as it clearly has a alternate head from the troglodon. The front arms are unfortunate, all these seem to be compromises to make it a dual kit bar the head which must simple be a design change.

Sometime it might be good for GW to follow the mantra of 'if it ain't broke don't fix it' but like I said earlier their rampant creativity must have got the better of them this time. Shame the same can't be said of the naming team.

Anyway solid release. The Ripperdactyls are really growing on me too.

For what reason "should" a carnosaur look like a T-Rex?

 Manchu wrote:
For what reason "should" a carnosaur look like a T-Rex?

It doesn't but people expected it to look more like the older one with shorter forarms and more supporting rear legs with most of the "weight" at the rear like a T-Rex.

No reason other than that. I think it will definitely grow on people.

In German, the Ripperdactyl is called Raptodaktylus, a slight improvement.

To me, the old Carnosaur model does not look like T-Rex or an animal that is balanced to walk exclusively on two legs.

I just has a good look at the model in unconverted form and to me it does seem to be walking only on two legs but that may just be how I imagine it moves.


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Actually proof straight from the GW site that the original design was a T-Rex alike.



http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1130146&setLocale=en_AU&_requestid=1377637

The original for reference.

I know this has been asked often but I've yet to see a response as of yet.

For those that have the White Dwarf - are there any signs that current plastic kits are being increased in price or reduced in model number?

There is a lot of weight on the front end of that animal and not much in the way of tail thickness to counter balance it. The structure and pose indicate to me that it has reared/drawn up and is about to lunge.

 Manchu wrote:

Spoiler:

There is a lot of weight on the front end of that animal and not much in the way of tail thickness to counter balance it. The structure and pose indicate to me that it has reared/drawn up and is about to lunge.

You're really hung up on the whole t-rex thing aren't you

I'm not the one who says a fantasy model "should" look like a real animal.

The carnosaur looks more like a cat to me than a T-Rex.

Well, its overall posture that it.

I agree, it does have a feline quality -- maybe because it's kind of skulky-looking? To me, the new model looks more like a dinosaur.

Looking at it it does seem to have a long body with a lot of weight over the front. Must be we just imagined it more like a T-Rex and assumed the old interpretation as a bit off compared to the original Warmaster model which is clearly a T-Rex.

We will just have to agree to disagree.

Though you are right certainly has a lot of weight over the front and not much to counter balance with with that tail.

Manchu wrote:I'm not the one who says a fantasy model "should" look like a real animal.

Manchu wrote:To me, the new model looks more like a dinosaur.

So instead of saying it "should" look like a real animal you're saying it "does" look like a real animal

Well I even like these more now with the clearer pictures.

I can see so many uses for these because lizards can fit so many different settings and games.
Really good stuff.

Only thing left to do is some really small lizards 15mm sized, like the nurglings kits, now that would be the cherry on top of this good release.

 ceorron wrote:
Must be we just imagined it more like a T-Rex and assumed the old interpretation as a bit off compared to the original Warmaster model which is clearly a T-Rex.

Yeah, if you think the Carnosaur should be more like a T-Rex then the current and new models are definitely off. But the current Carnosaur has been around for a while now.

 Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:
So instead of saying it "should" look like a real animal you're saying it "does" look like a real animal

Um yeah. "Should" means you know what the Carnosaur is supposed to look like. I don't know how you can back that claim up. When I say the new Carnosaur looks more like a dinosaur than a cat, I'm not asserting any authority over what this fictional animal is supposed to look like. To me, I like that the new Carnosaur looks more like a dinosaur than a cat. Maybe you would like it if the new Carnosaur looked more like a T-Rex than what it does but you are in no position to say what it should look like. I get it, you'd like the fantasy animal to look more like a real animal. That's why I said to you, I prefer fantasy animals to look somewhat fantastical.

 NAVARRO wrote:
I can see so many uses for these because lizards can fit so many different settings and games.

I've been wondering where the Exodite fans are.

 NAVARRO wrote:
Well I even like these more now with the clearer pictures.

I can see so many uses for these because lizards can fit so many different settings and games.
Really good stuff.

Only thing left to do is some really small lizards 15mm sized, like the nurglings kits, now that would be the cherry on top of this good release.

Agreed with all of the above! Especially the really small lizards... I've actually been looking for some cthulhu type of that size. Anyone have ideas / products that are available that might fill that niche?

I love the skink with a mask on the new terradon kit, and the masked bloodbowl skinks, but the normal skink models are not really my cup of tea and I've been searching for alternates.

 Manchu wrote:

 ceorron wrote:
Must be we just imagined it more like a T-Rex and assumed the old interpretation as a bit off compared to the original Warmaster model which is clearly a T-Rex.

Yeah, if you think the Carnosaur should be more like a T-Rex then the current and models are definitely off. But the current Carnosaur has been around for a while now.

 Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:
So instead of saying it "should" look like a real animal you're saying it "does" look like a real animal

Um yeah. "Should" means you know what the Carnosaur is supposed to look like. I don't know how you can back that claim up. When I say the new Carnosaur looks more like a dinosaur than a cat, I'm not asserting any authority over what this fictional animal is supposed to look like. To me, I like that the new Carnosaur looks more like a dinosaur than a cat. Maybe you would like it if the new Carnosaur looked more like a T-Rex than what it does but you are in no position to say what it should look like. I get it, you'd like the fantasy animal to look more like a real animal. That's why I said to you, I prefer fantasy animals to look somewhat fantastical.

I find it funny you're giving me grief for saying it should look like a real animal and then you turn around and say it does look like a real animal. And you may like to have your fantasy animals be more fantastical but that does not change the fact that they are inspired and based off of real world examples.

So how about this, it is my opinion that the new Carnosaur should look more like the previous Carnosaur which is arguably based off of Theropod Dinosaurs such as the T-rex.

Probably best to agree to disagree guys... you're kind of dragging the thread OT.

Folks can have different preferences- some people like more realistic looking monsters, some crazier ones. No reason to look down on either's argument, imo... both are completely valid and simply a matter of taste!

 RiTides wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
Well I even like these more now with the clearer pictures.

I can see so many uses for these because lizards can fit so many different settings and games.
Really good stuff.

Only thing left to do is some really small lizards 15mm sized, like the nurglings kits, now that would be the cherry on top of this good release.

Agreed with all of the above! Especially the really small lizards... I've actually been looking for some cthulhu type of that size. Anyone have ideas / products that are available that might fill that niche?

I love the skink with a mask on the new terradon kit, and the masked bloodbowl skinks, but the normal skink models are not really my cup of tea and I've been searching for alternates.

Khurasan miniatures has some small lizards, but I don't think those fill the bill.
I would buy plenty of small lizards if I could find some cool ones.

 RiTides wrote:
Probably best to agree to disagree guys... you're kind of dragging the thread OT.

Folks can have different preferences- some people like more realistic looking monsters, some crazier ones. No reason to look down on either's argument, imo... both are completely valid and simply a matter of taste!

Ok ok, apologies to the thread as well as Manchu for the misunderstanding. Back on topic

 Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:
I find it funny you're giving me grief for saying it should look like a real animal and then you turn around and say it does look like a real animal.

"Should" versus "does" -- the difference is pretty obvious. I don't know what a Carnosaur should look like. But I can tell you what it does look like from seeing a picture of it.

 Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:
So how about this, it is my opinion that the new Carnosaur should look more like the previous Carnosaur which is arguably based off of Theropod Dinosaurs such as the T-rex.

If by previous, you mean this one then I definitely disagree. The old Warmaster one looks a lot more like a T-Rex and the new Carnosaur looks much more like the current one than the Warmaster one.

 Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:
Ok ok, apologies to the thread as well as Manchu for the misunderstanding. Back on topic

No need to apologize -- this is a discussion forum and you and I are discussing the new Lizardmen models, which is the topic of this thread. I mean, just because we have different opinions doesn't mean we can't talk about it. No doubt you are not alone in preferring a more T-Rex-like Carnosaur. As ceorron pointed out, apparently GW apparently wanted that back in the day, too! It looks a lot more like a theropod than either of the more recent Carnosaur models.