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Powerfist or Pathfinder? Lol.

 Aerethan wrote:
Having looked in the back of the BRB, what is "PF"?

Clearly Saurus warriors get power fists now!

or maybe Power Faces...

or the samurai power force.

A new lizardmen thing called primal fighter, apparently.

The Division Of Joy wrote:
One thing is for certain, you'll need to have some painting skills to do these models justice

Challenge accepted.

A new ability called Predatory fighter which means for any roll of a 6 to hit they get an extra attack. Kroxigor have it too and they cost 25 slaves. Salamanders breath weapon is str 4 and slow to fire. Oh and lastly Slann can't be loremaster of any lore anymore just high magic and it's one of the disciplines. Some of the magic items i noticed were the Piranha blade, Blade of realities, and swiftstride banner. He told me his approach to writing the book was not to nerf them but to balance and take away things that were OP like cupped hands was the example he gave me. I'm not even a LM player and i was pleased to hear that! I hope that trend continues. Oh and i couldn't resist the temptation to complain about 8th edition DoC and how random they are and he agreed with me lol.

*edited to add info.

Ah, that rule makes Saurus far more worthwhile in combat, without being as OP as Poison would be for them. Also nice to hear that salamanders and Slann have been tamed down a bit.

No Cheesed Hands anymore?

YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

 Sigvatr wrote:
No Cheesed Hands anymore?

YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

Never used 'em soo, meh.

They were just incredibly lame. Uncounterable and extremely powerful - they had to go.

I think that as long as it isn't wholesale copy-pasting and/or pictures of the rulebooks, we can just put the points costs in there, and not do the "142 Search Lights" thing anymore!

Slaves are 2 points, afaik, so it's not a straight-up search light level of silly as it takes a little bit of math... but agreed.

Predatory fighter sounds characterful and not overpowered... very nice.

That sounds pretty excellent, kinda ties in nicely with the schtick that the different lizard types have going for them.

I will admit that PF helps Saurus a lot. They were pretty heavily costed before and needed something to make them at least a threat as S4 and T4 mean squat with WS3 and I1 where everything can drag you down before you cause pain. But PF? Saurus hordes are going to be monstrous. Spear blocks also monstrous.

The new release looks like it will be ablast for lizardmen but I got a bone to pick with the naming. The big carnosaur named Grymloq. Seems I heard that name in Gen 1 Transformers with a dinobot named Grimlock (I am geeky enough to still have it) and I just wonder why they couldn't give a great looking model like that a unique name... or at least something less cheesy ::sighs::

Speaking of Saurus I do like the direction that the sculptors have taken with the Old Bloods/Scar Veteran on the Carnosaur, I'm looking forward to converting some. They look like they have alot more brute power it's almost as if "I'm savage enough I'll just force this club like sword through you". I always liked the idea that the Saurus are savagely brutal and I think the models portray that pretty well.


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baltak wrote:
The new release looks like it will be ablast for lizardmen but I got a bone to pick with the naming. The big carnosaur named Grymloq. Seems I heard that name in Gen 1 Transformers with a dinobot named Grimlock (I am geeky enough to still have it) and I just wonder why they couldn't give a great looking model like that a unique name... or at least something less cheesy ::sighs::

That's been the name of his Carnosaur for at least the last two LM army books.

Possible I missed that since I don't play LM but I still think it could have gotten a more unique name.

It's specifically an homage to Transformers. All the SC mounts are named after Transformers, and they talked about that in the White Dwarf from last time the book was updated in 2009. It's TikTaqTo's Terradon and Mazdamundi's Stegadon, as well as Kroq-gar's Carnosaur (can't recall their names atm, besides Grymloc). They all have a "lizardmen-ish" twist to the spelling though.

I like the sound of Predatory Fighter for the Saurus units, and it definitely helps them out being WS3. Also glad Cupped Hands is gone. That thing was just ridiculous.

Grymloq the carnisaur, Zlaaq the stegadon, Zwup the terradon..... aka. Grimlock (t-rex), Slag (triceratops), and Swoop (pteradactyl).

 nathan2004 wrote:
Went to gamesday yesterday met Mr Vetock (really cool dude BTW) saw the Lizardmen book. Saurus are the same but gained PF, Templars went down in points by the cost of a Slave, Skinks stay the same from what i saw and the slann goes up by 12 and a half slaves. Becalming just let's you reroll your first failed dispel attempt IIRC. Those are the things that stood out to me. Overall from what i saw looked to be a solid release, he told me he had written the book a year and a half ago and Robin Cruddance helped him with the design. He's worked on it and play tested it in that time.

Forgive my ignorance, but what is this "Slave" riddle you speak of.

Skaven Slaves cost 2 points each. It's a common tactic that some forums use to mask points values when posting army lists or discussing things.

As I mentioned, points values are trivial out of the context of the game mechanics, and are not a protected aspect of the game, or the army book. Same with stat lines.

So Temple Guard dropped 2 points in cost, Slann went up 25 points.

Aaah thank you, clears it up.

Happy about dem Guard ;D

Are Guard better? They were a bit lackluster in the previous book imo (a pity though, because they are one of my favorite units).

Also, are razordons better, and do sallies still have the -3 to armor modifier?

We'll all know in a few days, guys

Looks like a decent release for LM players. Sorry they didn't get new krox or cold ones, but there's no stinkers at least.

I'm glad that the the Saurus box set isn't getting a price hike.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Are Guard better? They were a bit lackluster in the previous book imo (a pity though, because they are one of my favorite units).

Also, are razordons better, and do sallies still have the -3 to armor modifier?

I think they're good, and all they ever needed was the points reduction they are now getting. They've got better WS and armour compared to a normal Saurus, along with extra weapons and some cool choices in terms of upgrades.

 Baron Butcher wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Are Guard better? They were a bit lackluster in the previous book imo (a pity though, because they are one of my favorite units).

Also, are razordons better, and do sallies still have the -3 to armor modifier?

I think they're good, and all they ever needed was the points reduction they are now getting. They've got better WS and armour compared to a normal Saurus, along with extra weapons and some cool choices in terms of upgrades.

They also get PF, which should give them an offensive boost.

The thing that always bothered me about Saurus type units is that they never quite felt as killy as they should be. This new rule should change that.

New fantasy player and all round Games Workshop newb here... I wonder if the "Lizardmen Amaxon River Patrol" as found 'ere on the website will be a legal list? Or is it merely a 'theme' for an excuse to buy a collection of models?

It looks pretty fun and not too much of an intensive project not to mention I really like the idea of a skirmishing Skink patrol force, (that I think the models are gorgeous helps too!) It's really made me sit up and take notice of Warhammer fantasy. I'd be picking up the models from elsewhere for sure, all the same.

I guess we'll have to wait for the book to be certain? What are people's other prior experiences with this sort of thing when it comes to past 'one click' bundles?

What is this "PF" everyone keeps mentioning? Guessing we're not about to get Powerfists, sooo...

 Baron Butcher wrote:
What is this "PF" everyone keeps mentioning? Guessing we're not about to get Powerfists, sooo...

A new rule called 'Primal Fighter' to spice up Sauruses as an attacking force, on a roll of a 6 to hit they receive an extra attack as I understand it!

edit:- Credit for that info goes to nathan2004 on this very same page, I knew I'd read it somewhere on Dakka!