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2013/07/29 15:40:45
Subject: Re:Vengeance Weapon Battery Loadout
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Savage Khorne Berserker Biker
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Kind of a noobish question, but If your using the battle cannon and you have to roll 2D6 for scatter, then why should the BS2 even matter? I mean, a shell is leaving the barrel regardless, so I don't understand why we have to "roll to hit" and THEN roll for scatter, shouldn't we just be able to declare that we're firing the cannon and then roll for scatter?
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It is the 3rd Millennium. For more than a hundred months Games Workshop has sat immobile on the Golden Throne of Nottingham. It is the foremost of wargames by the will of the neckbeards, and master of a million tabletops by the might of their inexhaustible wallets. It is a rotting carcass writhing invisibly with business strategies from the early Industrial Revolution Age. It is the Carrion Lord of the wargaming scene for whom a thousand veteran players are sacrificed every day, so that it may never truly die. Yet even in its deathless state, GW continues its eternal vigilance. Mighty battleforce starter-sets cross the online-store-infested miasma of the internet, the only route between distant countries, their way lit by a draconian retail trade-agreement, the legal manifestation of the GW's will. Vast armies of lawyers give battle in GW's name on uncounted websites. Greatest amongst its soldiers are the Guardians of the IP, the Legal Team, bio-engineered super-donkey-caves. Their comrades in arms are legion: the writing team and countless untested rulebooks, the ever vigilant redshirts, and the writers of White Dwarf, to name only a few. But for all their multitudes, they are barely enough to hold off the ever-present threat from other games, their own incompetence, Based Chinaman - and worse. To support Games Workshop in such times is to spend untold billions. It is to support the cruelest and most dickish company imaginable. These are the tales of those times. Forget the power of sales discounts and Warhammer Fantasy Battle, for so much has been dropped, never to be re-published again. Forget the promise of cheaper digital content and caring about the fanbase, for in the GW HQ there is only profit-seeking, Space Marines and Sigmarines. There is no fun amongst the hobby shops, only an eternity of raging and spending, and the laughter of former employees who left GW to join better companies. |
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2013/07/29 15:52:33
Subject: Vengeance Weapon Battery Loadout
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Fireknife Shas'el
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The BS2 only matters because it's how much you subtract from the 2D6 scatter. It's basically just a little bit more margin of error, but it's mostly insignificant. You don't have to roll to hit with it though. Just the scatter die to see if you scatter or get a direct hit and the 2d6 to determine how much you scatter by.
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I'm expecting an Imperial Knights supplement dedicated to GW's loyalist apologetics. Codex: White Knights "In the grim dark future, everything is fine."
"The argument is that we have to do this or we will, bit by bit,
lose everything that we hold dear, everything that keeps the business going. Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky."
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2013/07/29 16:02:06
Subject: Vengeance Weapon Battery Loadout
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Can the VWB be placed shoulder to shoulder? Or is there a minimum distance they have to be away from each other. If not, they can not only provide semi-decent firepower, but some really decent LOS blocking ability. :shrug: Not bad for a piece of fortification that can't be glanced to death.
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2013/07/29 16:08:04
Subject: Vengeance Weapon Battery Loadout
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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 CaptKaruthors wrote:Can the VWB be placed shoulder to shoulder? Or is there a minimum distance they have to be away from each other. If not, they can not only provide semi-decent firepower, but some really decent LOS blocking ability. :shrug: Not bad for a piece of fortification that can't be glanced to death.
You can put them touching each other. Also, you can completely hide a rhino sized vehicle behind one.
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2013/07/29 16:24:25
Subject: Re:Vengeance Weapon Battery Loadout
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Devestating Grey Knight Dreadknight
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 sub-zero wrote:Kind of a noobish question, but If your using the battle cannon and you have to roll 2D6 for scatter, then why should the BS2 even matter? I mean, a shell is leaving the barrel regardless, so I don't understand why we have to "roll to hit" and THEN roll for scatter, shouldn't we just be able to declare that we're firing the cannon and then roll for scatter?
That is what you do; you don't roll to hit at all. BS2 matters because it subtracts from the scatter distance.
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2013/07/29 17:07:56
Subject: Re:Vengeance Weapon Battery Loadout
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Savage Khorne Berserker Biker
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 Godless-Mimicry wrote: sub-zero wrote:Kind of a noobish question, but If your using the battle cannon and you have to roll 2D6 for scatter, then why should the BS2 even matter? I mean, a shell is leaving the barrel regardless, so I don't understand why we have to "roll to hit" and THEN roll for scatter, shouldn't we just be able to declare that we're firing the cannon and then roll for scatter?
That is what you do; you don't roll to hit at all. BS2 matters because it subtracts from the scatter distance.
Can someone post a page # in the BRB that addresses this? please. 
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It is the 3rd Millennium. For more than a hundred months Games Workshop has sat immobile on the Golden Throne of Nottingham. It is the foremost of wargames by the will of the neckbeards, and master of a million tabletops by the might of their inexhaustible wallets. It is a rotting carcass writhing invisibly with business strategies from the early Industrial Revolution Age. It is the Carrion Lord of the wargaming scene for whom a thousand veteran players are sacrificed every day, so that it may never truly die. Yet even in its deathless state, GW continues its eternal vigilance. Mighty battleforce starter-sets cross the online-store-infested miasma of the internet, the only route between distant countries, their way lit by a draconian retail trade-agreement, the legal manifestation of the GW's will. Vast armies of lawyers give battle in GW's name on uncounted websites. Greatest amongst its soldiers are the Guardians of the IP, the Legal Team, bio-engineered super-donkey-caves. Their comrades in arms are legion: the writing team and countless untested rulebooks, the ever vigilant redshirts, and the writers of White Dwarf, to name only a few. But for all their multitudes, they are barely enough to hold off the ever-present threat from other games, their own incompetence, Based Chinaman - and worse. To support Games Workshop in such times is to spend untold billions. It is to support the cruelest and most dickish company imaginable. These are the tales of those times. Forget the power of sales discounts and Warhammer Fantasy Battle, for so much has been dropped, never to be re-published again. Forget the promise of cheaper digital content and caring about the fanbase, for in the GW HQ there is only profit-seeking, Space Marines and Sigmarines. There is no fun amongst the hobby shops, only an eternity of raging and spending, and the laughter of former employees who left GW to join better companies. |
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2013/07/29 18:55:23
Subject: Re:Vengeance Weapon Battery Loadout
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Devestating Grey Knight Dreadknight
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sub-zero wrote: Godless-Mimicry wrote: sub-zero wrote:Kind of a noobish question, but If your using the battle cannon and you have to roll 2D6 for scatter, then why should the BS2 even matter? I mean, a shell is leaving the barrel regardless, so I don't understand why we have to "roll to hit" and THEN roll for scatter, shouldn't we just be able to declare that we're firing the cannon and then roll for scatter?
That is what you do; you don't roll to hit at all. BS2 matters because it subtracts from the scatter distance.
Can someone post a page # in the BRB that addresses this? please.
Read the blast rules. I don't know what page they are on, but it is basic 40k rules. For blast you place the template then roll scatter, that is it.
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2013/07/29 19:05:05
Subject: Re:Vengeance Weapon Battery Loadout
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Savage Khorne Berserker Biker
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Godless-Mimicry wrote: sub-zero wrote: Godless-Mimicry wrote: sub-zero wrote:Kind of a noobish question, but If your using the battle cannon and you have to roll 2D6 for scatter, then why should the BS2 even matter? I mean, a shell is leaving the barrel regardless, so I don't understand why we have to "roll to hit" and THEN roll for scatter, shouldn't we just be able to declare that we're firing the cannon and then roll for scatter?
That is what you do; you don't roll to hit at all. BS2 matters because it subtracts from the scatter distance.
Can someone post a page # in the BRB that addresses this? please.
Read the blast rules. I don't know what page they are on, but it is basic 40k rules. For blast you place the template then roll scatter, that is it.
Right on, now I have to choose between twin battle cannons or an aegis defense line with the Icarus LC........ 
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It is the 3rd Millennium. For more than a hundred months Games Workshop has sat immobile on the Golden Throne of Nottingham. It is the foremost of wargames by the will of the neckbeards, and master of a million tabletops by the might of their inexhaustible wallets. It is a rotting carcass writhing invisibly with business strategies from the early Industrial Revolution Age. It is the Carrion Lord of the wargaming scene for whom a thousand veteran players are sacrificed every day, so that it may never truly die. Yet even in its deathless state, GW continues its eternal vigilance. Mighty battleforce starter-sets cross the online-store-infested miasma of the internet, the only route between distant countries, their way lit by a draconian retail trade-agreement, the legal manifestation of the GW's will. Vast armies of lawyers give battle in GW's name on uncounted websites. Greatest amongst its soldiers are the Guardians of the IP, the Legal Team, bio-engineered super-donkey-caves. Their comrades in arms are legion: the writing team and countless untested rulebooks, the ever vigilant redshirts, and the writers of White Dwarf, to name only a few. But for all their multitudes, they are barely enough to hold off the ever-present threat from other games, their own incompetence, Based Chinaman - and worse. To support Games Workshop in such times is to spend untold billions. It is to support the cruelest and most dickish company imaginable. These are the tales of those times. Forget the power of sales discounts and Warhammer Fantasy Battle, for so much has been dropped, never to be re-published again. Forget the promise of cheaper digital content and caring about the fanbase, for in the GW HQ there is only profit-seeking, Space Marines and Sigmarines. There is no fun amongst the hobby shops, only an eternity of raging and spending, and the laughter of former employees who left GW to join better companies. |
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2013/07/29 19:31:51
Subject: Vengeance Weapon Battery Loadout
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Ichor-Dripping Talos Monstrosity
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There's also the Bastion and the Fortress of Redemption. 
I really want to get the Fortress next...
Then I'll probably pick up the Strongpoint set!
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2013/07/29 19:36:58
Subject: Vengeance Weapon Battery Loadout
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Mekboy on Kustom Deth Kopta
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Closest unit, So as long as you hit that unit you should be able to pick the model to center it on.
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2013/07/29 22:34:58
Subject: Vengeance Weapon Battery Loadout
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Missionary On A Mission
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 pretre wrote: CaptKaruthors wrote:Can the VWB be placed shoulder to shoulder? Or is there a minimum distance they have to be away from each other. If not, they can not only provide semi-decent firepower, but some really decent LOS blocking ability. :shrug: Not bad for a piece of fortification that can't be glanced to death.
You can put them touching each other. Also, you can completely hide a rhino sized vehicle behind one.
no I thought that in the brb it says they can not be placed less then 2" away from each other.
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Lothlorien: 3500pts
Rohan: 1500pts
Serpent: 2000pts
Modor: 1500pts |
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2013/07/29 22:41:00
Subject: Vengeance Weapon Battery Loadout
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Mekboy on Kustom Deth Kopta
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 captain bloody fists wrote: pretre wrote: CaptKaruthors wrote:Can the VWB be placed shoulder to shoulder? Or is there a minimum distance they have to be away from each other. If not, they can not only provide semi-decent firepower, but some really decent LOS blocking ability. :shrug: Not bad for a piece of fortification that can't be glanced to death.
You can put them touching each other. Also, you can completely hide a rhino sized vehicle behind one.
no I thought that in the brb it says they can not be placed less then 2" away from each other.
From insert: If two VWBs are purchased, each is deployed as a separate fortification.
Ergo they have to be 3" or more apart pg 120, set up fortifications.
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2013/08/14 05:05:01
Subject: Re:Vengeance Weapon Battery Loadout
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Guard Heavy Weapon Crewman
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To all the folks who are worried about an AV 12 vehicle being parked near the Punisher VWB, I think you have bigger problems if you can't pop a AV 12 vehicle in one round of shooting. The VWB fires last, so you get all your shots first.
Maybe I am hardcore, but I pack enough guns to blow up AV 12 tanks.
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2013/08/14 18:00:52
Subject: Vengeance Weapon Battery Loadout
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Growlin' Guntrukk Driver with Killacannon
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So far my Battle Cannon VB's have been lackluster mostly popping Rhinos and destroying Droppods. The 2D6 pick the highest rule due to Ordnance has been helpful but they just haven't accomplished much yet. I've won both games in which they were included, but targeting the closest unit is the biggest pain so far. I'm wondering if they are worth they're points.
Maybe just maybe they're throwing off my opp's plans and such but that's wishful thinking at this point.
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2013/08/14 18:31:17
Subject: Vengeance Weapon Battery Loadout
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Ragin' Ork Dreadnought
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Mathhammering, I can't find very many situations that the Punisher does better. Against a horde of orks you'll do the same. Against a squad of Marines, the Battle Cannon does more. Against AV10, the punisher does marginally better, but 11+ the Battle Cannon does equal to far better damage.
Basically, in any situation where an Armor save is nearly irrelevant, (2+, 6+, or -,) the guns do equally well, but when there is a save of note, (3+, 4+, maybe 5+,) the Battle Cannon wins.
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2013/08/14 22:03:39
Subject: Vengeance Weapon Battery Loadout
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Growlin' Guntrukk Driver with Killacannon
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My personal rule for Mathhammer is that everything out side of CC gets at least a 5+ cover save. The reason I like the BC's over the Punisher is that my Biker Orks have more than enough Str 5 shooting.
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Fighting crime in a future time! |
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2013/08/14 23:24:38
Subject: Vengeance Weapon Battery Loadout
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Missionary On A Mission
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I had forgotten to post the results.
I deployed both Cannons in the end and honestly I only got a few kills with them. My first round was against GK's and I got hammered by a Landraider and the dice gods were against me.
Seconded round was against Dark Eldar and I managed to bring down a few boats and the third round was against another Dark Eldar player who got his jet bikes (whatever they are called) in close so they were basically useless that round.
Conclusion: I'm not sure if they are worth the points against fast and mobile armies which can get in close quickly effectively neutralising them. I'll probably run one of them next time to try and control where my opponent goes on the field and hopefully into my gun line.
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Lothlorien: 3500pts
Rohan: 1500pts
Serpent: 2000pts
Modor: 1500pts |
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2013/08/14 23:28:46
Subject: Re:Vengeance Weapon Battery Loadout
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Missionary On A Mission
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Also here is what it looks like painted
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Lothlorien: 3500pts
Rohan: 1500pts
Serpent: 2000pts
Modor: 1500pts |
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2013/08/14 23:54:43
Subject: Vengeance Weapon Battery Loadout
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Battleship Captain
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It might be worth bubble wrapping them. That way you could assault close units you don't want to fire at since they'll no longer be viable targets.
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2013/08/15 04:10:03
Subject: Vengeance Weapon Battery Loadout
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Missionary On A Mission
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 minigun762 wrote:It might be worth bubble wrapping them. That way you could assault close units you don't want to fire at since they'll no longer be viable targets.
I hadn't thought about that. Maybe a Tac squad or a scout squad.
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Lothlorien: 3500pts
Rohan: 1500pts
Serpent: 2000pts
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2013/08/15 13:04:21
Subject: Vengeance Weapon Battery Loadout
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Growlin' Guntrukk Driver with Killacannon
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I bubble wrapped mine with NobBikers and Boyz and the opp. had 2 Melta SW drop pod units. It protected them for the first round except that now the Drop Pods are the closest units 
For my extremely limited experience with them, they do take out small transports easily!
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2013/08/22 02:54:32
Subject: Vengeance Weapon Battery Loadout
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Calculating Commissar
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I was thinking of picking up some for my mech IG army. All of my guns are ~36" range (Siege Regiment HO!) and these guns should provide some long range firepower for early in the game when my opponent is still in his deployment zone.
Plus, the look kinda cool, and at 2k I could have them and an ADL for the ultimate defense line.
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2014/01/16 21:02:59
Subject: Re:Vengeance Weapon Battery Loadout
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Road-Raging Blood Angel Biker
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Why not give it the Magos machine spirit upgrade? For the 30pts you are getting half your shots in and with a gatling cannon it is hilarious to watch ork hordes running towards your battle line getting gunned down mercilessly. I am planning on taking one for my 600pts tourny list. They are fantastic!
ALSO I DONT CARE IF THIS IS AN OLD THREAD
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2014/01/17 00:02:25
Subject: Re:Vengeance Weapon Battery Loadout
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Did Fulgrim Just Behead Ferrus?
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Because it can only take items from the Obstacles list, so, no, it can't take the machine spirit upgrade.
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One chants out between two worlds: Fire, walk with me." - Twin Peaks
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2014/01/17 08:17:56
Subject: Re:Vengeance Weapon Battery Loadout
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[DCM]
Et In Arcadia Ego
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Thread is being locked due to thread necromancy.
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